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outhere69 -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 6:48:38 PM)

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What are you, an IDIOT?  What I said is that if you are going to have some Man-Child, Liberal, Piece of DOG SHIT for a president that will not allow a State to protect itself, do NOT BLAME ME, MOTHERFUCKER, for taking advantage of the climate YOUR COCKSUCKER created.  Hear me well...I am NOT the bulwark for an effete country that is dying because of liberal candy-asses that want to buy votes by trying to co-opt an illegal population.  Got it?  If my government is going to FAIL ME, I am going to survive no matter what.  And I will tell any stupid, lazy, unimaginative piece of shit to their face that I will NOT ONLY survive, I will prosper.  And THAT Imp, is the difference between you and me.  I don't wait for a handout.  I don't wait for a check or a subsidy.  I go outside every day with big, heavy boots on and I beat the bushes and kick the trees and I make my own way.  Try it, if you have the fucking stones.

Let's get something else straight and I will only tell you this once, pal.  You have a self interest in advocating for a liberal, socialist, welfare society where certain people get their little noses wiped and their asses too by people who pay taxes for everyone else.  We have established that, have we not?  I told you that, especially in light of certain circumstances, that I wished the best for you.  Don't come back and disparage me now.  I have a lot of bile, my boy.


Jesus christ, fella.  Go read the link I sent a bit ago and you'll find it wasn't liberals that advocated that bill.  It was the GOP.




tj444 -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 7:02:48 PM)


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It was the need to pick the seeds out of the cotton faster that lead to the invention of the cotton gin.  Tilling the fields faster gave us the plow.  Picking corn and pumpkins and dozens of other crops faster gave us the Combine (which Chief Bromden called society at large).  Our farmers will find ways to pick their lettuce.  They may have to pay Americans more.  They may have to come up with a better machine.  They may have to do any one of a number of things.  The fact is that you don't allow illegalities that have such far reaching problems as those posed by illegal immigration to keep your romaine inexpensive. 

oh yeah,.. I just love my fresh blueberries from Chile... (eye roll)


What are you saying, TJ?  Are you saying that it is better to have illegal immigrants sneaking into the country and receiving free education, health care, police, sanitation, fire, court systems and more for free so that we can have American grown blueberries?  Is it better to have the illegals or to import?  Is that what you are getting at?  Or would it be better to have a guest worker program? 


what i am saying is that agribusiness can be outsourced as well and it is happening more and more. I used to see all sorts of produce from other countries when I was in CA and in CA the farmers can grow 3 crops a year but instead, its cheaper to ship from Chile, etc. Not only is the food not as fresh, it can harbor critters that can hurt US vegitation, it can also not be as safe do to less control over the production. Do you think outsourcing food production is better than illegals picking crops?

Illegals are in the US, there always will be illegals and imo, the majority are not going to leave. Imo it would be better to have a way for them to become legal and imo, they would rather that too. Of course, I have no say in the matter other than a few posts on a forum....




tj444 -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 7:09:58 PM)


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There was some stupid state that was trying to push thru some law like this, where businesses owners would get strung up by their toenails if they hired illegals... but the dumb fuckers included a clause that said it was ok & legal for individuals to hire illegal landscapers, maids, nannies, etc if the work was on on their residence.


What is stupid about the law (which has already been held to be Constitutional in the case of Az), and what is dumb about that clause? Why would you want to force a homeowner to jump through e-verify hoops to get their lawn cut?

I think its stupid cuz its not fair to everyone. Only the priviledged rich that can afford hired help at home get the loophole? geez talk about hipocracy...

And why shouldnt rich homeowners jump thru e-verify? arent they supposed to pay benefits and collect taxes on any employees they have working in their home? That step is spending a few minutes on the computer... big deal.. sheesh




tj444 -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 7:15:39 PM)


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There was some stupid state that was trying to push thru some law like this, where businesses owners would get strung up by their toenails if they hired illegals... but the dumb fuckers included a clause that said it was ok & legal for individuals to hire illegal landscapers, maids, nannies, etc if the work was on on their residence.


What is stupid about the law (which has already been held to be Constitutional in the case of Az), and what is dumb about that clause? Why would you want to force a homeowner to jump through e-verify hoops to get their lawn cut?


Thank you, Willbe, well said.  The law exempted homeowners who would not be filing 1099's anyway.  UNLESS all the bright people on this board would like to make it impossible for a high school kid to mow someone's lawn.  Un-Fucking-Believable. 

There should be NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO social programs for anyone.  In the animal kingdom, animals die from being too old, too slow, too young or too sick.  When I read some of these posts I think the same thing should apply to humankind as well.


I was referring to employees, not some kid that mows someones law once a blue moon. Although you never specified if said lawn mowing kid was an illegal or not...




Owner59 -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 8:55:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: outhere69

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What are you, an IDIOT?  What I said is that if you are going to have some Man-Child, Liberal, Piece of DOG SHIT for a president that will not allow a State to protect itself, do NOT BLAME ME, MOTHERFUCKER, for taking advantage of the climate YOUR COCKSUCKER created.  Hear me well...I am NOT the bulwark for an effete country that is dying because of liberal candy-asses that want to buy votes by trying to co-opt an illegal population.  Got it?  If my government is going to FAIL ME, I am going to survive no matter what.  And I will tell any stupid, lazy, unimaginative piece of shit to their face that I will NOT ONLY survive, I will prosper.  And THAT Imp, is the difference between you and me.  I don't wait for a handout.  I don't wait for a check or a subsidy.  I go outside every day with big, heavy boots on and I beat the bushes and kick the trees and I make my own way.  Try it, if you have the fucking stones.

Let's get something else straight and I will only tell you this once, pal.  You have a self interest in advocating for a liberal, socialist, welfare society where certain people get their little noses wiped and their asses too by people who pay taxes for everyone else.  We have established that, have we not?  I told you that, especially in light of certain circumstances, that I wished the best for you.  Don't come back and disparage me now.  I have a lot of bile, my boy.


Jesus christ, fella.  Go read the link I sent a bit ago and you'll find it wasn't liberals that advocated that bill.  It was the GOP.


It`s auto-rage with that guy.

Always to the extreme.

And what a mouth......Does he kiss his mom with that mouth?[:D]




imperatrixx -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 10:14:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: outhere69

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
What are you, an IDIOT?  What I said is that if you are going to have some Man-Child, Liberal, Piece of DOG SHIT for a president that will not allow a State to protect itself, do NOT BLAME ME, MOTHERFUCKER, for taking advantage of the climate YOUR COCKSUCKER created.  Hear me well...I am NOT the bulwark for an effete country that is dying because of liberal candy-asses that want to buy votes by trying to co-opt an illegal population.  Got it?  If my government is going to FAIL ME, I am going to survive no matter what.  And I will tell any stupid, lazy, unimaginative piece of shit to their face that I will NOT ONLY survive, I will prosper.  And THAT Imp, is the difference between you and me.  I don't wait for a handout.  I don't wait for a check or a subsidy.  I go outside every day with big, heavy boots on and I beat the bushes and kick the trees and I make my own way.  Try it, if you have the fucking stones.

Let's get something else straight and I will only tell you this once, pal.  You have a self interest in advocating for a liberal, socialist, welfare society where certain people get their little noses wiped and their asses too by people who pay taxes for everyone else.  We have established that, have we not?  I told you that, especially in light of certain circumstances, that I wished the best for you.  Don't come back and disparage me now.  I have a lot of bile, my boy.


Jesus christ, fella.  Go read the link I sent a bit ago and you'll find it wasn't liberals that advocated that bill.  It was the GOP.



It doesn't matter to him.

It doesn't matter that I've told him I don't even live in the US. He still thinks I have a self interest in taking his money.

It doesn't matter that I've told him I would support taxes for everyone to pay for national healthcare. He specifically said he'd forget I ever said that so he could keep thinking I'm a dirty liberal.

It doesn't matter that the rate of deportation of illegal immigrants has skyrocketed under the "liberal piece of dog shit's" administration. That's simply a fact, inconsistent with ideology.

We are talking about someone who needs a specific law passed in order for him to follow his own principles. Never mind the fact that it's already illegal to knowingly hire illegal immigrants, this law will surely help people like him realize that they shouldn't do it, and that's why he supports the law.

Or something.




Owner59 -> RE: Agribusinesses and illegal immigration (7/31/2011 10:33:10 PM)

Ya think?

He said the '08' bush recession was Carter`s fault.......[:D]




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