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I always dreamed of being a lettuce picker. Picking lettuce in 115 degree heat for $1.00 an hour was what I always wanted to do. But the illegals got all the lettuce picking jobs - so I was forced to become the president of a multi-national corporation instead.

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ORIGINAL: outhere69

Hi folks--

I came across this article describing a protest against the E-check verification...by predominantly Republican agribusiness folks:

"PATTERSON, Calif. — Farmers across the country are rallying to fight a Republican-sponsored bill that would force them and all other employers to verify the legal immigration status of their workers, a move some say could imperil not only future harvests but also the agricultural community’s traditional support for conservative candidates.
The bill was proposed by Representative Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. It would require farmers — who have long relied on a labor force of immigrants, a majority here without legal documents — to check all new hires through E-Verify, a federal database run by the Department of Homeland Security devised to ferret out illegal immigrants."
Given our society's fixation on cheap goods, no matter how they are made/acquired, would folks that are against illegal immigration be prepared to pay the true cost of farm goods?    Would you go back to a "bracero" systems that allowed foreign workers to enter the US for the harvest but send them home later? 

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ORIGINAL: outhere69

Hi folks--

I came across this article describing a protest against the E-check verification...by predominantly Republican agribusiness folks:

"PATTERSON, Calif. — Farmers across the country are rallying to fight a Republican-sponsored bill that would force them and all other employers to verify the legal immigration status of their workers, a move some say could imperil not only future harvests but also the agricultural community’s traditional support for conservative candidates.
The bill was proposed by Representative Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. It would require farmers — who have long relied on a labor force of immigrants, a majority here without legal documents — to check all new hires through E-Verify, a federal database run by the Department of Homeland Security devised to ferret out illegal immigrants."
Given our society's fixation on cheap goods, no matter how they are made/acquired, would folks that are against illegal immigration be prepared to pay the true cost of farm goods?    Would you go back to a "bracero" systems that allowed foreign workers to enter the US for the harvest but send them home later? 

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

a well written work visa program could address a lot of concerns on both sides of the issue.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
what is not "well written" about the H2A program?

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

What a wonderful piece of legislation, the passage of which is long since overdue.  There are some nit-wit liberals on this board that will say that we should not end illegal immigration because those people come to this country to pick lettuce for $1.00.00 per hour.  Ummmm....isn't that a form of slavery?  Well...these same stupid and nonsensical liberals will say, "But that is still more money than they are able to make in their own country."  But isn't that also the good side of our manufacturing being driven out of the U.S.; that we improve the lives of millions of people across the world, we make a more competitive product and we are able to sell for more profit than in the U.S.? Or, what about the flip side and the idiot-liberal argument that says "yeah and our country goes abroad and still pays those people less than a fair wage!" which ends up being triple what that person could make anywhere else in their country.  Or some of the dumbest libs on this board (who shall remain nameless) will say that the thing we should really do is order that illegal immigrants pick lettuce a minimum wage (brilliant...a salad made at home for $20.00! lolol).  Those are just some of the statements that reveal the stark stupidity of liberals. 

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
It was the need to pick the seeds out of the cotton faster that lead to the invention of the cotton gin.  Tilling the fields faster gave us the plow.  Picking corn and pumpkins and dozens of other crops faster gave us the Combine (which Chief Bromden called society at large).  Our farmers will find ways to pick their lettuce.  They may have to pay Americans more.  They may have to come up with a better machine.  They may have to do any one of a number of things.  The fact is that you don't allow illegalities that have such far reaching problems as those posed by illegal immigration to keep your romaine inexpensive. 

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ORIGINAL: outhere69
I came across this article describing a protest against the E-check verification...by predominantly Republican agribusiness folks:

"PATTERSON, Calif. — Farmers across the country are rallying to fight a Republican-sponsored bill that would force them and all other employers to verify the legal immigration status of their workers, a move some say could imperil not only future harvests but also the agricultural community’s traditional support for conservative candidates.
The bill was proposed by Representative Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. It would require farmers — who have long relied on a labor force of immigrants, a majority here without legal documents — to check all new hires through E-Verify, a federal database run by the Department of Homeland Security devised to ferret out illegal immigrants."
Given our society's fixation on cheap goods, no matter how they are made/acquired, would folks that are against illegal immigration be prepared to pay the true cost of farm goods?    Would you go back to a "bracero" systems that allowed foreign workers to enter the US for the harvest but send them home later? 

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ORIGINAL: tj444


There was some stupid state that was trying to push thru some law like this, where businesses owners would get strung up by their toenails if they hired illegals... but the dumb fuckers included a clause that said it was ok & legal for individuals to hire illegal landscapers, maids, nannies, etc if the work was on on their residence.

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ORIGINAL: imperatrixx

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

What a wonderful piece of legislation, the passage of which is long since overdue.  There are some nit-wit liberals on this board that will say that we should not end illegal immigration because those people come to this country to pick lettuce for $1.00.00 per hour.  Ummmm....isn't that a form of slavery?  Well...these same stupid and nonsensical liberals will say, "But that is still more money than they are able to make in their own country."  But isn't that also the good side of our manufacturing being driven out of the U.S.; that we improve the lives of millions of people across the world, we make a more competitive product and we are able to sell for more profit than in the U.S.? Or, what about the flip side and the idiot-liberal argument that says "yeah and our country goes abroad and still pays those people less than a fair wage!" which ends up being triple what that person could make anywhere else in their country.  Or some of the dumbest libs on this board (who shall remain nameless) will say that the thing we should really do is order that illegal immigrants pick lettuce a minimum wage (brilliant...a salad made at home for $20.00! lolol).  Those are just some of the statements that reveal the stark stupidity of liberals. 

Yeah those dumb liberals.

The smart conservatives post stuff like this after they say that they themselves had hired illegal immigrants and didn't really give a fuck.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
It was the need to pick the seeds out of the cotton faster that lead to the invention of the cotton gin.  Tilling the fields faster gave us the plow.  Picking corn and pumpkins and dozens of other crops faster gave us the Combine (which Chief Bromden called society at large).  Our farmers will find ways to pick their lettuce.  They may have to pay Americans more.  They may have to come up with a better machine.  They may have to do any one of a number of things.  The fact is that you don't allow illegalities that have such far reaching problems as those posed by illegal immigration to keep your romaine inexpensive. 

oh yeah,.. I just love my fresh blueberries from Chile... (eye roll)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: tj444


There was some stupid state that was trying to push thru some law like this, where businesses owners would get strung up by their toenails if they hired illegals... but the dumb fuckers included a clause that said it was ok & legal for individuals to hire illegal landscapers, maids, nannies, etc if the work was on on their residence.

What is stupid about the law (which has already been held to be Constitutional in the case of Az), and what is dumb about that clause? Why would you want to force a homeowner to jump through e-verify hoops to get their lawn cut?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

So when Wall Street and Morgan Stanley crash again and they want more hand-outs again,ie corporate welfare......you`ll appose your party?

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

A fairly strict bill was passed earlier this year here in Georgia that is very similar to the bill in the OP. The new law here was so strict that many illegal workers left in advance of July1st when the bill was to become effective - I have not followed if the bill has been held up in the courts. A local tv station interviewed a Georgia farm owner who is also a state representative who actually voted in favor of the bill. He was basically telling the story about how he and other farmers were having a tough time finding enough people to bring in their harvests. He did a really good job of artfully dodging having to admit that he was hiring illegal workers in the past.I got the impression from his look and tone of voice that he voted for the measure because it would have been political suicide for him to have not supported it although I may be incorrect in that evaluation.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: outhere69

Hi folks--

I came across this article describing a protest against the E-check verification...by predominantly Republican agribusiness folks:

"PATTERSON, Calif. — Farmers across the country are rallying to fight a Republican-sponsored bill that would force them and all other employers to verify the legal immigration status of their workers, a move some say could imperil not only future harvests but also the agricultural community’s traditional support for conservative candidates.
The bill was proposed by Representative Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican who is the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. It would require farmers — who have long relied on a labor force of immigrants, a majority here without legal documents — to check all new hires through E-Verify, a federal database run by the Department of Homeland Security devised to ferret out illegal immigrants."
Given our society's fixation on cheap goods, no matter how they are made/acquired, would folks that are against illegal immigration be prepared to pay the true cost of farm goods?    Would you go back to a "bracero" systems that allowed foreign workers to enter the US for the harvest but send them home later? 

Have any evidence that the protests were by "predominantly Republican" anybody?