petslave2b
Posts: 33
Joined: 4/4/2009
Status: offline
|
From the OP;
"This would imply that o be religious, one must submit to the religion, or at the very least, it's dogma. Thoughts?"
LadyAngelika,
I'm sorry, but I do not understand why you put "Thoughts?" at the end? You stated the obvious, the sum total of ones thoughts should be, yes. Obviously the religious will submit and follow the dogma, and give you all kinds of "reasons" for their belief, but there are no reasons, other than submitting to the dogma.
"I submit to God just as I submit to my Dom."
littlewonder,
That's not entirely true, as Doms exists and can actually punish you for not following the rules. With gods you can break the rules, pretend you didn't, and continue with the belief.
"God has the same rule..don't want to submit and obey? Fine. No one is forcing you to stay."
Again, this is not entirely true. Throughout history, including modern times, people have been, and are, punished or killed for not following religious dogma. And as the OP pointed out, you submit to the religion and it's dogma, not any individual entity.
"Ok, but do you just believe in a god, or do you have a religion as well? This post is more about submission to a religion than a god. "
LadyAngelika,
There is no difference. Whether it is a religion of millions, or a religion of one, it requires the same behaviour/belief and the same abscence of input from any supernatural creatures.
"I do everything in my power to be a good person and a good servant within my religion. "
While this sounds good, I'd be interested to know exactly what religion you think corrosponds with being a good person? Anyone who truly followed the (christian, I'm most familiar with that one) bible would be a sociopath guilty of crimes against humanity. One can only connect being a good person with a religion if one ignores most of the religion.
"and atheism is the fastest growing belief system"
Tantriqu,
There are two problems with this statement. The first is atheism is not a belief system, atheism is a lack of belief, which by definition cannot be a belief system. The second problem is while people are turning away from the mainstream religions, they are not suddenly starting to think, they are simply looking for a new belief systems. That is why all the paranormal/supernatural/witchcraft things have taken off in recent years, and these are the fastest growing belief systems.
"Tantriqu.. stoning is so old testament.. ignore.. follow "new testament"!!!
religion is something i have struggled with for all of my life. I don't think you can pick and chose what parts of the bible to obey.. or beleive."
SimplySubmissive,
How typically religious of you. You claim one can't pick and choose from the bible, just after you told Tantriqu to ignore the only reason people follow the new testament to begin with, the godly authority it claims from the old testament.
"there is an inherent goodness.. a basic human morality that has nothing to do with god or religion. "
True, and the easiest way to circumvent this is by inventing a god and religion. The easiest way to get good people to commit atrocities, is through a belief system.
"that if it was crap and nonsense then all religion must be, along with belief in God,"
Kirata,
Since all religions/concepts of gods are supported by the exact same level of evidence, and since all are products of fear, ignorance and desire, what possible reason could one have for treating any religion differently to the rest? Please note I said reason.
"One would think most Brits since they first must submit to the Monarchy would have no problems with submitting to a religion."
DomYngBlk,
Except of course that a monarchy is not much different from a government (which the poms also have), and monarchies and governments are made up of people, they exist.
Also when the Monarch didn't like what the religion said, he just made his own religion, so the poms already have a history of the Monarch being more powerful than the god/religion.
"I have seen people who literally submit to religion ("accepting Jesus" for example). This aspect of organized religion is perhaps most hated by the atheists. I would argue in sense of wider philosophical world view this is not what religion is about. "
Fellow,
Can you look beyond you own beliefs, or are you a prisoner to them? Religions are about submitting, blind obedience, after all how could a lowly person ever be in a position to question the gods? Your idea of what atheists hate most about religion, submitting to religion, is probably best described as willful ignorance, a cornerstone of all religious belief.
"I am also anti-atheist. I think their world is narrow, building self-imposed constraints. So, submitting to atheism could make the case as well. "
Fellow,
No one submits to atheism, there is nothing to submit to. Atheism has no god figure, no dogma. Atheism is nothing more than hearing stories about gods and finding them unbelievable. Also since atheists tend to embrace new knowledge and evidence, their world is constantly expanding. On the other hand the world of the religious is at best stagnant, or shrinking, shivelling and dying.
"I've never had anyone tell me I couldn't say anything bad about religion. In fact our pastor encourages people to ask questions. "
thishereboi,
You might be confusing religion with modern society removing religion from power. Think back a few decades, or centuries, or travel around the world. Think yourself lucky you live in a time and place that limits your pastors authority.
"or pagans (since it seems a large portion on cm are such) or buddhists or shintoists or animists or hell...even atheists even though they don't see themselves as a religion lol. "
It's not just that athesits don't see themselves as a religion, the fact is atheism is not a religion, it is simply the word that describes a lack of belief in gods. Only people who are incapable of thinking outside their own perspective keep calling atheism a religion or belief system, they think since they have a belief system, everyone must have one.
As for all the other religions, what's the problem? Modern views, such as calling eastern belief systems "philosophy" are nothing more than the believers trying to elevate their belief system above the belief systems of others. Or complete ignorance of the origins of a belief system they stole from another culture.
"Of course it doesnt. Morality favors species propogation and was selected for. "
willbeurdaddy,
Actually morality is fluid and reactionary. We find ourselves in a situation, then we create morality. This is why laws based on reason and evidence are much better than morality.
"Don't confuse cause and effect. Give an irrational person religion, and they will pursue it irrationally. Give a rational person religion, and they will pursue it rationally."
Aswad,
Give a rational person religion, and they won't believe it, they certainly won't pursue it as there is no rational reason to do so.
"While I could care less that you think me a weak minded coward, I would appreciate if you refrain from accusing me of being incapable of facing reality"
Aswad,
Deists and agnostics are believers, they are just (as in barely) smart enough to realise what gods are, but they aren't quite capable of letting go of the fairytale. Weak minded, certainly. Coward, not necessarily. Incapable of facing reality, absolutely, that's why they have a god, just like any other believer. And just like any other believer, they think their beliefs are more real.
kalikshama,
An excellent book, however most of the people who desperately need to read it never will, and most of the people who will read don't need to.
"Garbage in, garbage out.
America remains a nation of believers, but a new survey finds most Americans don't feel their religion is the only way to eternal life -- even if their faith tradition teaches otherwise"
Kirata,
Isn't it wonderful when society takes power away from religion. But there is a whole wide world outside the U.S, and there are thousands of years of history. Don't confuse social evolution with religion.
|
RE: Submitting to Religion - 
Profile
New Messages
No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages
Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages
Locked w/o New Messages
Post New Thread