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What having the ailment called "no insurance"... - 8/1/2011 8:50:50 PM   
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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 10:23:58 AM   
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The next video explains how great it is to HAVE insurance. (on the right side if you don't hit fullscreen)

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 3:08:57 PM   
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http://articles.cnn.com/2009-06-05/health/bankruptcy.medical.bills_1_medical-bills-bankruptcies-health-insurance?_s=PM:HEALTH

Overall, three-quarters of the people with a medically-related bankruptcy had health insurance, they say.

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 3:13:55 PM   
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so what are you saying??

having no insurance isnt as bad as being bankrupted while having insurance? or something else, please explain?

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 6:16:20 PM   
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"so what are you saying?? "

I'll tell you something you aren't going to like. Do you know why big companies have gillion dollar insurance ? I'll tell you why.

When you sign the insurance contract that gives the insurance company the right to settle the claim EVEN IF IT EXCEEDS THEIR LIABILITY LIMITS, leaving you holding the bag for the rest. That's why people who own nice houses have car insurance liability policies (if they're smart) in the high hundereds of thousands if not millions. People who rent and have nothing to lose only have to have the minimum required by "law" to drive. In Ohio it's about forty grand, just enough to pay the lawyers.

I am not going to research this for you because if you have auto insurance and have the policy around somewhere, all you have to do is read it. Now wilbeur might come and say I am full of shit, but I don't think even he's that stupid, because it is right there, and if not it is in the UCC. That's the law, once you sign. And paying online is still acceptance of the contract, so that doesn't get you out of it.

So when it comes to medical, they'll pay their so many grand, and if it's sign or die, most people will sign. That means they lose everything. And it will follow you around forever if your property does not pay the bill in full. The only way out is a full blown chapter seven bankruptcy and I can tell you personally how fucking hard it is to get one these days. You have to be in so much debt that it can NEVER be expected to be paid. I ran that game once and I won, but I have no intention of playimg it again even after the seven years are up. In seven years I will be fifty-seven, and I will be done playing the game. In fact I'm done now.

And now I have to watch EVERYTHING I do because there is no out. Prior bankruptcies do affect your case no matter how long ago. Luckily back in 1979 I didn't have to file because of some slick lawyerin'. I can't count on that happening again. I am the safest driver in the world now. (and no, I did not file on an accident)

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 7:33:36 PM   
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you didnt answer my question, and as it was directed at the other guy, I want to know what he meant

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 8:07:20 PM   
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OK, I think it did kinda answer it but..........

In the end the person IS left holding the bag for the balance, in anything.

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 8:11:20 PM   
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OK, I think it did kinda answer it but..........

In the end the person IS left holding the bag for the balance, in anything.

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That is true, Term, and is there a problem with that?  LucySpastic is going to say that people shouldn't pay for their health.  Ok...based on that idiot reasoning, doesn't eating prevent starvation?  So shouldn't the government pick up our restaurant tabs and our grocery bills?  I know medical bills can be bankrupting and that is why the first bill I pay every month is my health insurance...then my car insurance...then comes the mortgage.  But how many tabs should the government pick up?  There is always someone with "one more thing" that has to be paid.

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 8:40:51 PM   
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You need open heart surgery. Gimme everything you own.

Nuff said.

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 9:22:26 PM   
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Illness and medical bills cause over 60% of all personal bankruptcies, and these numbers are rising.
Most people are only a serious illness away from bankruptcy.

Illness and medical bills cause 2/3 of all bankruptcies

We need a single-payer system.

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 9:25:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK, I think it did kinda answer it but..........

In the end the person IS left holding the bag for the balance, in anything.

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That is true, Term, and is there a problem with that?  LucySpastic is going to say that people shouldn't pay for their health.  Ok...based on that idiot reasoning, doesn't eating prevent starvation?  So shouldn't the government pick up our restaurant tabs and our grocery bills?  I know medical bills can be bankrupting and that is why the first bill I pay every month is my health insurance...then my car insurance...then comes the mortgage.  But how many tabs should the government pick up?  There is always someone with "one more thing" that has to be paid.



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I can tell the heart you have now is "defective".

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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 9:28:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

OK, I think it did kinda answer it but..........

In the end the person IS left holding the bag for the balance, in anything.

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That is true, Term, and is there a problem with that?  LucySpastic is going to say that people shouldn't pay for their health.  Ok...based on that idiot reasoning, doesn't eating prevent starvation?  So shouldn't the government pick up our restaurant tabs and our grocery bills?  I know medical bills can be bankrupting and that is why the first bill I pay every month is my health insurance...then my car insurance...then comes the mortgage.  But how many tabs should the government pick up?  There is always someone with "one more thing" that has to be paid.



they did after all put us into receivership did they not?


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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 9:30:01 PM   
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Illness and medical bills cause over 60% of all personal bankruptcies, and these numbers are rising.
Most people are only a serious illness away from bankruptcy.

Illness and medical bills cause 2/3 of all bankruptcies

We need a single-payer system.


no!

we need the gubafia to get their asses out of the medical business.

shit when I go in I read most of my own tests, doctors truly love me.

Been diagnosed wrong over my lifetime so far more times I can count on my hands.

its a gubafia monster and the more they are involved the bigger the monster will get.

discounts on your medical bills with a euthanasia clause!





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RE: What having the ailment called "no insurance&q... - 8/2/2011 10:24:38 PM   
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Marini, that may be true and it would solve ALOT of problems. But as an MD and veterinarian named Joel Wallach said "The problem here is that we have made doctors rich". Now my opinion of this guy is not pristeen and I will tell you why, because it is pertinant to this duiscussion. A veterinarian makes more money when his patients are healthy. Wallach said that if MDs handled the medical care for cattle a pound of hamburger would cost hundreds of dollars, and if vererinarians treated humans, health care for a family of four would be perhaps fifteen dollars a month.

Now let me give some more detail on Wallach. He sold a colloidal mineral supplenment. This IS very good stuff for the human body. One ounce a day and if you don't have a problem absorbing minerals you should live to be a hundred. This is actually true, if you are in great health and start taking it at about 20 years old. As I may have mentioned I have been studying this independently for over two decades. I hadn't even heard of this guy when I actually started.

Coloidal mineral supplements used to run about twenty bucks a bottle, about the cost of cheap whiskey. And actually the really good ones have about 0.005% alcohol, but there is a chemical reason for that. This is seriously good shit, and getting harder to find. I don't know what is all involved in making it, but it involves resources all over the world, MINERAL resources.

The major problem I have with Wallach is that he was selling those minerals to old people. He described in depth which minerals deficiencies induced which "diseases" and he was right. But possibly for profit's sake he discounted the fact that no amount of good nutrition can revive what is dead. If your hair follicles are dead because of a tin (et alii) deficiency, feeding them does not bring them back. For example if you are borderline diabetic, you CAN handle that with diet if you eat enough chromium, vanadium and a few other minerals. The place they are supposed to come from is the plants we eat, or the plant which the animals we eat, eat. The plant on this PLANeT convert this planet into forms which our bodies can use to build and maintain not only our beer bellies, but our endocrine system which is very intertwined with our mind, as well as a plethora of chemical processes that they still don't fully understand.

I don't mean to use that play on words (PLANeT) but if you think about it what are we ? We have nothing coming into our bodies from outside this planet that could mix with the calcium in our system to help build healthy bones. Those neutrinos don't mean shit when it comes to that.

There are 24 minerals that our own bought and paid for USDA/FDA deem ESSENTIAL for life. What does essential mean ? And that is a bunch of people who are getting rich killing us slowly. And it's not the doctors, it is the learning institutions. That is why they no longer dispense medicine, they now dispense medication. And drug companies own the medical schools. Research that for about an hour someday. It will surprise you what they have done. By purporting the theory IN THE SCHOOLS that this or that drug can cure damnear anything, they have effectively turned doctors into unwitting pill pushers, treating symptoms like a crack dealer.

The nature of the people who want to sell those drugs is not in question, but doctors are taught a certain way. You know how much of a medical education is devoted to the precise prescribing of drugs ? Patient's body weight and all kinds of other factors ? Half. Fully half of a medical education involves prescribing drugs in this country. "I" learned this in school so it can't be wrong, and today, if I decide to go my own way, to shun drugs for much better alternatives, I will not be making $315,000 a year, I will make about $125,000 a year. I got two kids in college, a new $500,000 house, paying on a Merces, Porsche, Yukon, Jeep and the contractors that put my new swimming pool in. I also just bought six 55" plasma TVs, ordered the most kickass cable and internet money can buy as well as a boat. My fucking bills are more than $125,000 a year !

My conclusion is that they are either fools or slaves. Don't fucking kid yourself serfs, which are worse off than slaves - if you can't afford to quit your job, you are a slave. The better the job, the better the slave you better be.

So doctors are supposedly the most highly to be regarded in a society and now they are found to be what - HUMAN.

Now IF you go to the good sites, like to find international dates and shit, you will find doctors in other countries wanting to come here. There are two possibilities, either they are a gold digger or they are no good at doctoring. In their own country even though they didn't pull in the big big bucks like here, they would live a pretty good fucking life. But they want to come here. Either they got fired or they want to make ALOT more money. Look at all the foreign doctors we have in this country. Do I have to fucking document that too now ? Geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You know the fucking problem, money started it. Amer.....oops US doctors make more than in most countries, and what's more the suits up in the upper office make much much more. This all compounds into one huge problem.

You can't just up and say to someone that he must deliver the same quality work for half the money for the same amount of time and think he's just going to agree to it. I wouldn't. I would tell them to fuck off.

I have a very NOT thought out idea though. If implemented correctly it could make the US a leader. Remember that I have not thought this out completely.

Steel mills in the US began a two tier system. They had fucking brains, the unions got too powerful (to them) and they buckled under pressure. I would've burnt the fucking place down. I'm rich, set for life and really, fuck you. Let them buy the land from me and set up their own goddamned car factory. But that's just me.

Well, the two tier systen worked in alot of businesses so, let's go with that for a time. You have aptitude, decent grades, energetic and sound of mind (well pretty much). You graduated HS and you want to be a doctor. No money. The gov takes care of it. BUT for X amount of years you work for the government taking care of patients without health care. You get like a graduated scale averaging a hudred or so grand a year, based on performance. Working individuals opt to pay into the system and the rate is based on need/income. We have to pay X doctors, X nurses, X for the utitilies, X for a few, and I mean VERY few other things.

Those who get their own health insurance would pay a lower tax rate. Those who choose not to pay a bit more, instead of the governemt just taking that fucking money .



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