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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 6:55:01 PM   
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And using words to threaten a suspect is apparently against the law in Germany.


It apparently was not against the law in any way that endangered the prosecution of said piece of shit.


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 8:24:11 PM   
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It apparently was not against the law in any way that endangered the prosecution of said piece of shit.
And apparently you can't make a relevant argument for you vengeance laden view. I can't wait till you are arrested and your civil rights are abused....how loud would you be screaming then?

There is a principle involved here. There are things the police aren't allowed to do. And, when the police do one of those things, the people they do them to should be compensated, if even only in a symbolic manner, as was done in this case.

The crimes, or lack thereof of the person who's rights were trod upon has no bearing on it. Like I said, the protections provided by the law either apply to everybody, or they apply to nobody. It's the same basic issue as free speech and the WBC creeps. Its all of us or none of us....some of us just doesn't cut it.


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 9:17:08 PM   
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Do you think its right or wrong?
If he had sued prior to his conviction, i agree he should have been compensated. However, he was convicted of taking the life of a very young child. Flame me all you want, but that bastard deserves no rights at all.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 9:56:48 PM   
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If there is a law against it as an interrogation technique that was violated then obviously the law needs to be followed. SHOULD police be able to threaten violence? Why the fuck not? The bastard might piss his pants? BFD.


I will tell you why the fuck not, because not everyone arrested is guilty, the reason why there is limitations to what interrogation methods the police can use is that we do not want a society where the police will do whatever it takes to get a confession out of whoever they think is guilty is that it is not their job to decide who is guilty or not, if the police was allowed free reign then anyone could be threatened into a confession, and is that really what you want?

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All I a see is they had to pay him a few bucks because the officer hurt his feelings.  The judge evened it out by making him use the money to pay for the trial.


The accused pay for the trial if found guilty in Germany if I am not mistaken, that is common practice it have nothing to do with suing the policeman. Also it is not about hurting anyones feelings, it is about threatening to do violence.

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I don't see where the Officer did anything to cause the piece of shit to not be convicted or have the charges tossed.


No but he easily could have as whatever evidence he got through irrigation would be null and void as the policeman used coercion, he would have given one hell of a gift package to the defense and had this been in USA who have even stronger laws when it comes to what makes evidence and in fact an entire investigation null and void in court the convicted man most likely would have walked, when a policeman do not follow the rules and is catch doing it then chances are he will have given the defense enough ammo to get a murderer off the hook, and that is a huge chance to take.

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I can't get all worked up because the Officer might have threatened to smack a child killer.


You really do not get it, try to think a little, at the time the suspect was not convicted, he was a suspect, no one knew if he had done it or not, what if he was innocent. You get so wrapped up with how horrific the crime is that you forget the underlaying problem, if the police is allowed to threaten prisoners with violence they can do that to anyone, they can decide oh I think this person or people, perhaps let us say flcouple have killed this kid, so we will drag them in and interrogate them and terrorize them until they confess, whatever it takes to get a confession and then lock them up for the rest of their lives. The job of a justice system is not just to catch the bad guys but also to protect the innocent, including protecting them from wrongful prosecution. It is not the police's job to decide who they think is guilty and then break whatever rules needed to get a confession, it is their job to investigate the matter and then turn their investigation over to a court of law who will decide if a suspect is guilty or not, such hillbilly justice that you seam to favor benefit no one.

Also the least thing one need is for a real murderer to walk because a policeman have forced a confession out of the wrong person, there are a reason why there is laws when it comes to what a policeman can and can not do, and those laws do not change when a crime is horrific.

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and the really scary part is that the loonars around here vote!

Oh wait this is america, land of the free, so that doesnt count anymore anyway since we got wilbur sanctioned hackable voting machines.

fucked up is old news therefore not noteworthy.




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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:25:32 PM   
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Flame me all you want, but that bastard deserves no rights at all.
Rights have to be enforced, even for the scum. If they can take his rights away, they can take yours away. Look, don't take my word for it...

An equal dispensation of protection, rights, privileges, and advantages, is what every part is entitled to, and ought to enjoy
-- Ben Franklin 1774

Equal, and exact justice of all men
-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, 1801

Freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere.
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Four Freedoms Speech, 6 January 1941

A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you.
-- Ramsey Clark

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
-- Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government, December 23, 1791


If that's not good enough for you, I'm not going to flame you, I'm just going to put you into the "too ruled by her emotions to be reasoned with" category.


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:31:44 PM   
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dood people in lower canada are about 200 years behind when it comes to rights.

the corrupt supreme court ruled people in lower canada only have privileges under the sovereign as stated in spies and that they are claimed by the state as stated in abrahamson.

but thanks for the vote of confidence lol


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 10:33:04 PM   
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Do you think its right or wrong?
If he had sued prior to his conviction, i agree he should have been compensated. However, he was convicted of taking the life of a very young child. Flame me all you want, but that bastard deserves no rights at all.


We cant tell someone they were wrong if we wont accept when we are wrong.  Two wrongs dont make a right.  He is scum.  He trampled on that little child's right to life.  He will pay for that.  But his rights were also trampled upon.  We cant tell him he is wrong and make him pay without owning up to the wrongs of the police as well.


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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 11:15:40 PM   
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I know this is in Deutchland.... but aren't you allowed to lie and use coersion during interrogation, here in the US?

I don't know if you can threaten force in the US, though.


Lying, bluffing, trickery...yes. Coercion of any kind including threats...no.



absolutely you can. its done all the time behind the scenes.

american government is a pile of shit dressed in white robes.

Hell attorneys are allowed to lie in court and no contempt will issue.

fuck its great to be american!



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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/5/2011 11:34:24 PM   
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Isnt that because attorneys do not have to take an oath to tell the truth in court?

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/6/2011 6:15:19 AM   
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It apparently was not against the law in any way that endangered the prosecution of said piece of shit.


Apparently it was against the law as the policeman in question was both suspended and the man suing him did get compensation money. And it was against the law for a very good reason, to maintain the integrity of the justice system, something that benefits everyone.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/6/2011 6:19:09 AM   
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If he had sued prior to his conviction, i agree he should have been compensated. However, he was convicted of taking the life of a very young child. Flame me all you want, but that bastard deserves no rights at all.


So he deserves no rights? What if the conviction happened because he had been coerced into a confession, you can never know who is innocent and who is guilty once the police can take anyone and use whatever force they like to make them confess, as then it is not a police investigation, it is a witch hunt.

Or let me ask you this a little differently holly, let us say for some reason you are arrested accused of murdering a child, the police threaten and beat you until you confess and you are convicted, do you then deserve no rights?

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/9/2011 4:36:53 AM   
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And using words to threaten a suspect is apparently against the law in Germany. Given their past experiences with unchecked police powers, they might just be a little touchy about it.


Yep, we are a bit touchy about that, I have to agree on that one...

Thanks to everyone for your views about it

The problem I simply have with it, is that this wrong behaviour from that officer has been dealt with already...he has been  on probation and (according to my dad, I didn't look that up yet) at the end left or has been removed from the force...so it is not as if that wrong behaviour has not been dealt with...and that's why I feel that he should not have given a sum about it, cause when it says that you can't be punished twice for the same crime as a criminal, then why can the state get punished twice for the same wrong behaviour...

Anyhow, many thanks for sharing your views... much appreciated 

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/9/2011 6:13:55 AM   
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O. J. Simpson would have probably been convicted of murder - but LA cop Mark Furman wanted to "make sure" so he broke the law and manufactured "additional evidence" creating reasonable doubt and ensuring Simpson's acquittal.



Dr. Henry Lee testified for the defense (something he does in less than 5% of the cases he testifies in) pointed out numerous pieces of fabricated evidence produced by the prosecution.

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/9/2011 6:15:36 AM   
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Yes he should be paid for having his rights violated.

and... now that he is a convicted child murderer, every dollar (Euro, whatever) he has should be confiscated and turned over to the family of his victim.


Is this what you call "due process"?

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RE: Child murderer gets compensation for threats made b... - 8/9/2011 6:19:09 AM   
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SHOULD police be able to threaten violence? Why the fuck not? The bastard might piss his pants? BFD.


Perhaps because it is against the law, just as it is against the law for you to threaten violence...it is called assault.

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