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babygirl75 -> Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 6:44:19 PM)

Hello Everyone! Thank you for viewing my post. I apologize that this may end up being a long story, but one that I need to share so that you have all the details and are able to give me helpful informed advice.

I was married to a man that tried for years to tell me I was naturally submissive and repeatedly asked me to be his slave. I at the time knew nothing about this lifestyle, and thought I was in no way submissive. For years I kept telling him no, but after being with him for 11 years and much research on the subject I decided to give it a try. As I learned more and more I was able to start submitting to him in the bedroom only, and eventually started learning that I liked it and moved forward to the point that I became his collared slave, and lived the lifestyle 24/7 for almost two years.

However, After giving him what he wanted and completely submitting to him, things changed. Long story short the last year of our relationship he started lying to me, cheating on me, being very violent toward me to the point of abuse not lifestyle pain, got another girl pregnant and walked out on me. Recently reading this: http://www.submissiveloving.com/fakedoms.html it pretty much describes him to and what I went through to a T.

As I am sure you all can guess, I was damaged mentally and emotionally. The physical damage healed, but the emotional and mental scars are still there. Its been two years since he left. It took me some time to start dating again, and I met a wonderful man that is very good to me, but I still have issues and emotional set backs at times, although he tries his best to deal with them.

At the time I met him I was a bit scared, because I knew he was naturally dominant, but he new nothing about the lifestyle, although I did tell him about my past so he would know why I react to certain situations the way I do. When I told him about my past he considered my ex an ass, and assured me that I had nothing to worry about with him, and he has held to his word, and we have lived a completely vanilla life for the past 7 months.

I do still do things that I would as if I still have a Master to answer to, but it is not required by him, its just who I am, and what I feel comfortable with. Such as: I take care of him and his son putting their needs and desires before mine. I feel bad and am hard on myself when I know I have done something to disappoint him, ect. He has noticed these tendencies and has realized even before I did that I was missing something in my life. He started asking me to tell him more about the lifestyle so he could understand my feelings about it. As I started to talk about it with him, and try to explain it he again before I did realized that I still had a desire for that lifestyle.

He wanted to help me become a strong independent woman, and steer me away from my submissive/slave tendencies thinking this would help me heal, but those tendencies are too strong and I keep reverting back to them. He asked me to write two essays one on the pros and cons of becoming a strong independent woman and one on the pros and cons of being a submissive/slave, and my fears of both. In doing this I realized what I was missing and wanting back in my life. But it also made me verbalize my fears of returning to the lifestyle. This helped in a way because I know now what my wounds are that need to be healed, but at the same time I am confused as to where I belong now. I have more slave tendencies than submissive, yet my fears lie in the trust aspect of giving up total control to someone else again.

He is former military, and understands my way of thinking on some things such as structure, routine, and chain of command, but he looks at it in a military view, which has always been the way he runs his household anyway. He is having a problem grasping the emotional side of submission, and although I am trying my best to explain my thoughts and feelings to him, I think it is his lack of knowledge of the lifestyle in general and the fact that I am confused about where I belong now that it is confusing him too.

I greatly appreciate the fact that he is interested in learning about it, and is doing it not for him, but for me. He wants to learn about it all, in the hopes that he can help me heal from the past, and to eventually be able to fill that void for me as Master/Dom without further damage to me if it is what I decide I want again. But I don't know how to explain it to him, and feel that in trying to do so that I am in a sense trying to train a dominent, and I feel awkward about this. What can I do to help him learn what he wants and needs to know to help me? or what can I do myself to get past the damage done by my ex?

I would appreciate any and all advice that you will share with me.

Thank you in advance.




anniezz338 -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 6:56:00 PM)

Not understanding why strong independent woman and submissive/slave is mutually exclusive. I feel you have to be very strong to be submissive/slave.




NuevaVida -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 7:22:47 PM)

Steering you away from who you naturally are isn't a good idea, even if intentions are good.  If you feel your best - natural and comfortable - submitting to someone you care for, nothing says you can't be a strong and independent woman while doing so.  I know that's something that was difficult for me to reconcile in earlier days, but I figure I'm absolutely capable of handling life on my own and making good choices for myself - life is just sweeter when I'm under his authority.




babygirl75 -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 8:42:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: anniezz338

Not understanding why strong independent woman and submissive/slave is mutually exclusive. I feel you have to be very strong to be submissive/slave.


Thank you for the response. Being Former military he started out viewing submission and the emotional termoil I sometimes experience as weakness, because that is what they learn in the military. As we talk more he is beginning to understand, I think or I hope, but there is a long way to go.




babygirl75 -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 8:47:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Steering you away from who you naturally are isn't a good idea, even if intentions are good.  If you feel your best - natural and comfortable - submitting to someone you care for, nothing says you can't be a strong and independent woman while doing so.  I know that's something that was difficult for me to reconcile in earlier days, but I figure I'm absolutely capable of handling life on my own and making good choices for myself - life is just sweeter when I'm under his authority.


Thanks for the response. And he has realized that is natural and where I feel comfortable, and thus the reason he wants to learn more about it so that he can help me rather than try to change who I am. And for that I am so appreciative, now I need to help him find someone who he can talk to and learn from, because like I said I don't think I am the person to help him learn about it. I myself still need to have proper training in alot of areas, because looking back my ex was not the best suited for this role.




Damacis -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 8:53:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: babygirl75


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ORIGINAL: anniezz338

Not understanding why strong independent woman and submissive/slave is mutually exclusive. I feel you have to be very strong to be submissive/slave.


Thank you for the response. Being Former military he started out viewing submission and the emotional termoil I sometimes experience as weakness, because that is what they learn in the military. As we talk more he is beginning to understand, I think or I hope, but there is a long way to go.


The above quote is indeed what you need to try and help him understand. Being submissive has nothing to do with physical, emotional, or psychological strength -- it would also help if you emphasize it wasn't your submissive tendencies which caused you so much damage -- it was the lying, cheating, the way he treated you that caused so much pain. One can have a D/S partnership without the sub being treated like a piece of shit. (in a bad way)

As for the "training a dom" part, that's a little tricky. I would start by easing him into it, doing "little" things, and maybe research the topic with him. As always; open, honest communication should be your foundation.




Arpig -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 8:53:59 PM)

Being former military he should get it if you explain it properly. Rather than presenting it as an issue of relative strength, present it as an issue of relative ranks.

You are a private, and he is a colonel.

Any private I know is definitely strong and capable of taking care of himself in combat....but it's the colonel who decides when, where, and how that combat takes place.

(Of course, if you're into more of a micro-management style of relationship say he's a sergeant major. [;)])




babygirl75 -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/5/2011 9:32:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Being former military he should get it if you explain it properly. Rather than presenting it as an issue of relative strength, present it as an issue of relative ranks.

You are a private, and he is a colonel.

Any private I know is definitely strong and capable of taking care of himself in combat....but it's the colonel who decides when, where, and how that combat takes place.

(Of course, if you're into more of a micro-management style of relationship say he's a sergeant major. [;)])



[:D] Thank you so much. This I believe he will understand. He has tried to explain what he is thinking in terms of military but that I am not understanding because I am non-military, but reading your post I think he may have touched on this and may be closer to understanding than I thought, because I didn't understand what he was talking about.




DesFIP -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/6/2011 6:31:58 AM)

I would like to caution you about putting his son before you. That's just wrong. It will teach this child to think of women as second class citizens, as objects to be used. Which isn't what you want to teach. 




DarkSteven -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/6/2011 7:46:09 AM)

This man sounds like an excellent match for you.  He is pushing you to reexamine what you are, which isn something you need.  He is showing you that he genuinely cares about you and your needs and is guiding you without even being aware of it.

Let him be who he is, and you who you are.  The labels themselves are only useful as reference points, not for defining wither of you.  Keep talking, and grow towards each other.

And since he's ex-military, let him kick the shit out of your ex.




Buzzzz -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/6/2011 8:04:52 AM)

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And since he's ex-military, let him kick the shit out of your ex.



I know a young kid that is a marine. He is a radar tech though, sits in front of a computer/radar screen all day. Not much "kick your ass" kinda thing , ain't it?




Arpig -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/6/2011 9:18:34 AM)

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Thank you so much. This I believe he will understand. He has tried to explain what he is thinking in terms of military but that I am not understanding because I am non-military, but reading your post I think he may have touched on this and may be closer to understanding than I thought, because I didn't understand what he was talking about.
You're most welcome.

Hot damn!! I gave some good advice....there goes my carefully crafted clown reputation!!




GreedyTop -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/6/2011 9:45:37 AM)

just put some clown makeup on the pigface, and you're golden ;)




Arpig -> RE: Need some advice and guidance please! (8/6/2011 11:13:53 AM)

Something like this, maybe?



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