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Iamsemisweet -> And the war on wildlife continues (8/5/2011 11:57:53 PM)
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/08/05/05greenwire-enviro-groups-mull-legal-challenge-of-shells-a-38542.html Shell oil has succeeded in the first steps to drill oil in the Arctic, near the wildlife refuge. What could possibly go wrong?

subrob1967 -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:13:27 AM)
Um we could continue to fund Islamic terror groups by worrying about an endangered whatever...[8\|] Fuck the fish, Oil is the lifeblood of our economy, drill baby drill!

tazzygirl -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:31:30 AM)
No ecosystem lives in a vacuum. Destroy one, and others will fall.

Termyn8or -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:38:02 AM)
I know a place, I sellout,my house and shit, you sell out. I know of a place we might be able to go, across the sea. It's really nice but they don't give you jack shit when you ain't a citizen. We'll take care of that later. But we need money. T^T

Hillwilliam -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 5:48:55 AM)
Y'all think this has anything to do with that marine biologist (marine mammal reports) being suspended last week for unspecified reasons and not allowed to talk to the press? More evidence for my theory.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 8:55:12 AM)
Or we could have some other values than the profits of big oil. Put our considerable technological talents into finding alternative fuel sources. Other species matter. quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Um we could continue to fund Islamic terror groups by worrying about an endangered whatever...[8\|] Fuck the fish, Oil is the lifeblood of our economy, drill baby drill!

TheHeretic -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 9:09:16 AM)
Yes. We should all embrace then new "green" power sources. They just cuddle with wildlife, instead of doing any damage... oh wait... nevermind... quote: Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power’s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday. Raptorpolitics.org story here

willbeurdaddy -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 9:33:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Y'all think this has anything to do with that marine biologist (marine mammal reports) being suspended last week for unspecified reasons and not allowed to talk to the press? More evidence for my theory. ROFL. Thats a stretch, even for you.

Lucylastic -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 9:48:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Y'all think this has anything to do with that marine biologist (marine mammal reports) being suspended last week for unspecified reasons and not allowed to talk to the press? More evidence for my theory. Of course it does. Fuck the world Oil must win

joether -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 10:28:47 AM)
Curious in that much of the medicines we take for granted these days, came from research of planets and animals in far away places. Once its gone, creating a cure for any of the hundres of thousdands of horrible illnesses and injuries that befall mankind will disappear as well. I've accepted that conservatives are generally to retarded to understand the concept. Profit trumps all in their book. Then again, stupidity and foolishness trumps knowledge and patience in their book as well....

Hillwilliam -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 10:32:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Y'all think this has anything to do with that marine biologist (marine mammal reports) being suspended last week for unspecified reasons and not allowed to talk to the press? More evidence for my theory. ROFL. Thats a stretch, even for you. Not at all, wilbur. Did I not say that in the previous thread that it appeared some corporate bigwig called his pet Senator and said "I want this guy to shut up for a bit"? We were only waiting to see why they would do that. This upcoming vote and associated potential profits generated therein (billions) gives motive. Method is "campaign contributions". The fact that the guy is still suspended but they admit it is not for any professional reason but won't say why he is suspended and effectively gagged is very circumstancial. We have a method and a motive. I've seen people convicted of crimes with only that and some good circumstancial evidence. Do you have a better idea? I'm listening. Unlike others, as long as things are civil, you know I will actually listen.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 11:30:11 AM)
You are right, there is definitely wildlife attrition with wind power. On the other hand. The turbines don't kill 250,000 birds in one incident like the Valdez, and seem to affect mammals very little. So what's your point? Or do you have one? quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Yes. We should all embrace then new "green" power sources. They just cuddle with wildlife, instead of doing any damage... oh wait... nevermind... quote: Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power’s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday. Raptorpolitics.org story here

Iamsemisweet -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 11:32:53 AM)
I don't think that is a stretch at all. Are you talking about the guy who reported the drowned polar bears? quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Y'all think this has anything to do with that marine biologist (marine mammal reports) being suspended last week for unspecified reasons and not allowed to talk to the press? More evidence for my theory.

Sanity -> RE: And the war on the poor and elderly continues (8/6/2011 12:13:43 PM)
Batteries require lead mining and lead smelters Boatloads of mercury and other toxic metals have to be supplied to the compact fluorescent manufacturers, some how Windmill farms take up space,and require roads and intrusive measures to put them in place and to maintain them And so on People need energy, but there are no perfect solutions. If Shell fucked up Shell shouldl pay the price, but it doesnt mean we can or should stop drilling. Push granny off the cliff basically, by allowing elderly and other vulnerable people to go without the energy that they need quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet You are right, there is definitely wildlife attrition with wind power. On the other hand. The turbines don't kill 250,000 birds in one incident like the Valdez, and seem to affect mammals very little. So what's your point? Or do you have one? quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Yes. We should all embrace then new "green" power sources. They just cuddle with wildlife, instead of doing any damage... oh wait... nevermind... quote: Federal authorities in the United States are investigating the deaths of at least six golden eagles at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power’s Pine Tree Wind Project in the Tehachapi Mountains, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Tuesday. Raptorpolitics.org story here

Arpig -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:21:09 PM)
quote: Push granny off the cliff basically, by allowing elderly and other vulnerable people to go without the energy that they need You had a really good point right up to here.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:22:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Y'all think this has anything to do with that marine biologist (marine mammal reports) being suspended last week for unspecified reasons and not allowed to talk to the press? More evidence for my theory. ROFL. Thats a stretch, even for you. Not at all, wilbur. Did I not say that in the previous thread that it appeared some corporate bigwig called his pet Senator and said "I want this guy to shut up for a bit"? We were only waiting to see why they would do that. This upcoming vote and associated potential profits generated therein (billions) gives motive. Method is "campaign contributions". The fact that the guy is still suspended but they admit it is not for any professional reason but won't say why he is suspended and effectively gagged is very circumstancial. We have a method and a motive. I've seen people convicted of crimes with only that and some good circumstancial evidence. Do you have a better idea? I'm listening. Unlike others, as long as things are civil, you know I will actually listen. All you have is supposition. None of the links in your chain to establish "method and motive" can be shown to be any more true than aliens got him suspended because he was about to discover where they hide their spaceships.

Sanity -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:29:02 PM)
Its a tongue-in-cheek poke at the leftys who constantly like to posit that Republicans want to push granny off the cliff Seriously though Skyrocketing energy costs hurt everyone, and the most vulnerable among us are hurt the most. quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Push granny off the cliff basically, by allowing elderly and other vulnerable people to go without the energy that they need You had a really good point right up to here.

wittynamehere -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 12:29:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet the war on... I'm starting a war on the expression "the war on". War has a specific meaning, and it isn't something that can be waged against abstract concepts like wildlife, education, terror, poverty, obesity, happiness, and so on. As for the drilling, I think more non-political research should be done first.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 1:02:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wittynamehere quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet the war on... I'm starting a war on the expression "the war on". War has a specific meaning, and it isn't something that can be waged against abstract concepts like wildlife, education, terror, poverty, obesity, happiness, and so on. As for the drilling, I think more non-political research should be done first. Pretty simple research. There has been plenty of drilling under similar conditions to any of the US reserves.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: And the war on wildlife continues (8/6/2011 5:46:42 PM)
I guess I could have entitled this the massacre on wildlife. Would that make you happier? I quote: ORIGINAL: wittynamehere quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet the war on... I'm starting a war on the expression "the war on". War has a specific meaning, and it isn't something that can be waged against abstract concepts like wildlife, education, terror, poverty, obesity, happiness, and so on. As for the drilling, I think more non-political research should be done first.

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