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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 9:23:33 AM

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You may use a three legged stool for your example of the chair collapsing.

If it needs demolition to do so, throw that in there too. (although I suspect you won't get very far with that horseshit either).

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 9:47:55 AM

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you dont get it.

I am not coming down to play in your world, you need to come up and play in mine.

bringing in superman versus godzilla and whatever absurd shit you can conjure up will not revive your lost argument.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 9:55:03 AM

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No, you clearly never get it.

You cannot explain the collapse of a fucking chair. How then would we have any discourse with a dishonest retard such as yourself who cannot even find his own ass with two hands and a flashlight, or explain a simple concept?

You have been shown to be without a fucking scintilla of intelligence.

Tell us about the collapsing chair. Cmon mr physics expert global fucking collapse demolition legal expert.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 10:16:32 AM

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These fucking idiots are still going at it?

We've already established that a total of 2 people in the oval office couldn't keep a blow job secret.

Yet these fools believe the Government is inept but at the same time can somehow create a conspiracy of this magnitude and have it remain secret with no one spilling the beans for years.

Delusional fuck ups

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 10:20:03 AM

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Well the puzzling part is the government angle at all.

If the target of the WTC7 building was undertaken in a government plot the Louve would have been wiped off the face of the earth.

Its how our government rolls.........

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 2:45:59 PM

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This is prima facie evidence, which you have agreed to, several times that there were no structural components in the building, from its construction.

It is the only possible explanation.

Indeed, you are right.

mnottertail and RealOne, you are both right - and both wrong.

First let us define what 'demolition' is. I gather that in common usage it is defined as to bring down a building using explosives? In that sense 1 and 2 were demolished; 7 was not - as no or scarcely any explosives were used to make 7 collapse.

I would like to broaden the definition: demolition is any act intended to demolish a structure. That can be explosives or it can be a sledge-hammer or any other means.

mnottertail wants to know how a chair can collapse. RealOne knows the answer: the chair collapses because of what he calls Global Failure and what I call a Catastrophic Change of State or more simply because of Catastrophic Failure. When the chair collapses, there is no resistance any more - because the structural components holding up the chair failed - and thus there is a condition of Free Fall.

The NIST report is very clear why the chair (7) collapsed: it was because a single, specific column failed. Any other damage was irrelevant. Any other column could have been taken out and the chair / 7 would not have collapsed. There is your smoking gun. 7 was deliberately designed to be brought down in this way and someone knew which column had to be taken out to demolish 7 and how to make that column fail.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 3:10:36 PM

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meh. the weight transfer on floors five and seven tilted the three legged stool, and the peg buckled.

There is no wrong for me. It neither requires demolition nor specific attack.

The fucking building simply wasnt designed to have other buildings fall on it.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 4:03:02 PM

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These fucking idiots are still going at it?

We've already established that a total of 2 people in the oval office couldn't keep a blow job secret.

Yet these fools believe the Government is inept but at the same time can somehow create a conspiracy of this magnitude and have it remain secret with no one spilling the beans for years.

Delusional fuck ups

oh of course not they are just incompetent!

Have you forgiven your incompetent traitors yet today?

Have you forgiven yourself for being so gullible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 4:35:56 PM

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what did you do plunk your ass down on a chair and it caved in on you?

I would have to see videos of the collapse, the make and model of the chair, how fat your ass is, the approximate rate your ass hit the seat.

I cant answer the question without knowing what kind of a high chair it was?

So I really need to know more information before I can even comment on how you demolished it.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 4:36:09 PM

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well for these purposes global failure is the operating term.

those engineers in that clip stated on record that cannot happen naturally, only by demolition.

Once again R0 deliberately misdiagnoses the problem so he can play silly conspiracist bastard.

There was not a global simultaneous failure. A global failure akin to a demolition job would require a failure in unison of the main structural supports. The fact that video proves the East Penthouse collapsed first into the roof folllowed by a pause as the other trusses couldn't redistribute the load before further collapse proves there was a sequence of failures. Thats exactly the opposite of a demolition job where they blow out all the supports at one time for a global failure so the building crashes to the ground in free-fall.

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I agreed with shuntar not your asslick conclusion.

Well we really dont care because nobody who tests above cretin agrees with any of your shiteating buncombe.

yep you and the mouse in your pocket.

I sufficiently made my case, I have an army of engineers backing my ass, you got shit house debunkers, so enjoy that big dick up your ass.

I am seriously bored with this.

Sufficiently made your case? Go back to dreamland where everyone is obliged to agree with you.

Since when is an army made up of 1,500 arselickers from around the world? Not much of an army to protect an ass of your size.

There were well over 100 people contributing to the NIST report alone (far more eminent than a fucking physics teacher), along with outside consultants as well.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 5:34:41 PM

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stupid cunts
do something useful with your lives

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 5:43:49 PM

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If only they could.............

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 5:51:53 PM

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The irony! It burns!

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 6:03:45 PM

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LOL not sure if you are also referring to me. I don't normally post on these types of threads as conspiracists like R0 keep blasting people with bullshit but it is important to stand up to these people sometimes which is why I didn't drop it. 9/11 conspiracists typically have strong far-right (or sometimes far-left) beliefs where they cynically use the doubt and confusion they spread over 9/11 to advance a strong hate agenda. All one has to do is look at the other material and links on these sites to see what they believe so I think it is important not to always give them a free pass to spread their shit unimpeded.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 7:34:04 PM

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So Anax, you must make sure that your viewpoint prevails because of course, you are right.

That is why you are here, that is why RealO is here and that is why everyone except me is here. You know why I am here for a different reason ? Entertainment. Movies and sports and shit just don't do it for me anymore. I won't even try to care less about what people think about this issue because it would not be possible.

Now when someone comes up with an issue about which I am the slightest bit concerned, who knows what may happen to it ? Probably thread goes byebye. Whatever.

Good luck with your bad self though, trying to convince US Citizens to believe their own government. For some, they already believe, for others you are barking at windmills. And you don't even realize that your case is as shaky as theirs once you discard this INBRED respect for the established sources.

I am not saying that RealO is right. I am not saying that his "proof" is proof. But I give no more weight to the official story. I am content to know that I do not know everything. But I do know what 32 feet per second per second means. And it doesn't even apply on Earth from where the figure is derived. Find me a column of vacuum in which to prove it. And up in space, the formula is modified anyway, in fact it is wrong even at 64 feet, moreso at 96 feet, and even more at 128 feet. But if people do not understand that this constant only applies in a vacuum, they are never going to understand about the fall of a tall structure. Which incidentally the only way for that to happen would be for a major evacuation of air from under there. There would simply be too much wind resistance.

But what people are not understanding is that these distortions of physical laws do not prove anything. Not specifically. They prove either this, that or the other thing, or possibly another thing. The simple fact that the towers came down proves unequivocably one thing. It happened either because of complicity or incompetence on the part of our supposedly omnipotent government. Or of course both or any combination thereof. That's all.

Nothing more, nothing less. That leads to suscpicion and allegations of a coverup. This is obvious, and of course there really is.

I find it difficult to understand why you are getting so involved with this.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 8:20:24 PM

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So Anax, you must make sure that your viewpoint prevails because of course, you are right.

No that is not it at all. It seems you are determined to misunderstand. Like others such as Mnotter I'm simply expressing my opinion. I don't want R0 and company to simply blindside those that disagree with bullshit. I saw him do it with plenty of others like Julia so I decided it was time to keep up the pressure and not let him get away with obvious distortions.

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That is why you are here, that is why RealO is here and that is why everyone except me is here. You know why I am here for a different reason ?

I don't agree, you offer tacit support for R0's stance whilst sitting on the fence. I have said that a few times on this thread.

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Good luck with your bad self though, trying to convince US Citizens to believe their own government. For some, they already believe, for others you are barking at windmills. And you don't even realize that your case is as shaky as theirs once you discard this INBRED respect for the established sources.

Here you go again pretending to sit on the fence whilst principally criticising debunkers. Its nonsense. You know it, I know it.

I am not trying to convince anybody but to argue out the issues. Most people on here don't believe the troofer stuff anyway so what I say won't make much difference.

Neither am I trying to convince R0 and Rule or yourself for that matter. None of you troofers will believe anything but what you believe no matter what is said or proven. You believe because you want to, just as you accept the Protocols as truth. Others have respect for the establishment, well is it not better than just believing nut jobs on the web?

I hear so much shit even on my side of the pond about 9/11 so I have taken some interest in the issue but I shouldn't have to justify my interest to you, should I? Get over the fact that others disagree with you. I'm interested as this paranoid conspiracy shit affects Europe too. In the UK there is a copy of the 911 troofer movement with the 7/7 terrorist attack.

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I am not saying that RealO is right. I am not saying that his "proof" is proof. But I give no more weight to the official story. I am content to know that I do not know everything.

Fence sitting again. Well you put greater credence in his arguments whilst dismissing debunker opinions previously.

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But I do know what 32 feet per second per second means. And it doesn't even apply on Earth from where the figure is derived. Find me a column of vacuum in which to prove it. And up in space, the formula is modified anyway, in fact it is wrong even at 64 feet, moreso at 96 feet, and even more at 128 feet. But if people do not understand that this constant only applies in a vacuum, they are never going to understand about the fall of a tall structure. Which incidentally the only way for that to happen would be for a major evacuation of air from under there. There would simply be too much wind resistance.

Termy that physics is standard stuff and the stuff about space isn't relevant. Do you think knowing the significance of 32 feet per second per second makes you an expert? It doesn't. I know that and my knowledge of physics is very limited. Its just acceleration formula that kids learn at 15. Many understand that it relates to gravity without resistance.

It sounds barmy to suggest the only way it could collapse is if there was a major evacuation of air beneath the structure. Furthermore resistance from wind is not much of a factor here as its just a building, even if it was 600 feet high. It is not remotely akin to a small object like a parachutist falling from 15,000 feet to the ground lol.

You said a ridiculous thing to me yesterday. I referred to a Class A Vox clean tone to which you replied that I shouldn't know about that! WTF. Anyone with an interest in audio knows about that technology. You act as if you possess so many secrets which you will reveal one special day, probably armaggedon because we will never fucking get to hear them.

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But what people are not understanding is that these distortions of physical laws do not prove anything. Not specifically. They prove either this, that or the other thing, or possibly another thing. The simple fact that the towers came down proves unequivocably one thing. It happened either because of complicity or incompetence on the part of our supposedly omnipotent government. Or of course both or any combination thereof. That's all.

Nothing more, nothing less. That leads to suscpicion and allegations of a coverup. This is obvious, and of course there really is.

If the towers came down to incompetence it is an entirely different matter to complicity. You shouldn't conflate the two issues.

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I find it difficult to understand why you are getting so involved with this.

You see this is more of your paranoic bullshit. What I choose to discuss and debate is my own fucking business. You repeatedly played this game before when I was defending Israel. Its tiresome and its absurd. You do not remonstrate with R0 in the same way. The arguments are there, take them or leave them, otherwise just mind your own business.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 8:43:21 PM

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"No that is not it at all."

You are not trying to convince anyone you are right, got it. Good job.

[you fucking fell right into that and I know you will never admit it]

So what. You ain't even here. Let's fucking talk about Lockerbie, and the Loch Ness monster. Of course I was right there but will acceed to your opinion. Sure. Is that flying pig wearing a dress ?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 8:55:39 PM

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"No that is not it at all."

You are not trying to convince anyone you are right, got it. Good job.

[you fucking fell right into that and I know you will never admit it]

Why should I admit it when you are strawmanning. You stated in your previous post "So Anax, you must make sure that your viewpoint prevails because of course, you are right." - that suggests I want my view to silence other perspectives. Obvously anybody wants to be right rather than wrong but you put it as if I wanted a dictatorship of opinion which I don't. Look at my early posts on the first thread pages. I made a few tentative points to Locked. Then R0 and Rule started firing shit at me back and forth which led to a dog fight.

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So what. You ain't even here. Let's fucking talk about Lockerbie, and the Loch Ness monster. Of course I was right there but will acceed to your opinion. Sure. Is that flying pig wearing a dress ?

Does it fucking matter if I'm in the US or not? Why the fuck should it. Do you bitch about Moonhead or Politesub who post a good deal more about American politics than I do? Of course you don't. Stop the bullshit. How much do you bitch about other countries, comment on Europe or criticise Israel?

Start a fucking thread on those topics if you like. Whats the fucking problem. Plenty of people on here discuss issues outside the US, and express strong opinions.

It could well be a flying pig wearing a pink dress. Not only that its probably your father...

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 9:13:34 PM

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Have fun then. But you have noticed that I haven't gone into this fucking physics debate here much with people who obviously do not understand even the simplest of two dimensional force vectors, let alone three. Neither one of them has made any kind of case. As if physics really could. The world is falling apart as people argue about three legged fucking stools. See what I mean ?

It's midnight, I think I'll go off to IMDB now and watch the Outer Limits There is alot more science there.

But Anax, you really have never said whether you think the US government was complicit or imcompetent, or a combination of both. Of course then I have never asked you directly, before now. Now I am asking. What percentage complicity and what percentage incompetence. Whenever you're ready, do not rush. Walk do not run. Whatever.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/19/2011 9:34:49 PM

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Have fun then. But you have noticed that I haven't gone into this fucking physics debate here much with people who obviously do not understand even the simplest of two dimensional force vectors, let alone three. Neither one of them has made any kind of case. As if physics really could. The world is falling apart as people argue about three legged fucking stools. See what I mean ?

Thanks, I will have fun! Its nice to have your blessing!

BTW whilst forces are described by vectors, I'm not sure that an intimate knowledge of them is strictly necessary to understand a certain number of given instances of real collapse.

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It's midnight, I think I'll go off to IMDB now and watch the Outer Limits There is alot more science there.

Have fun!

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But Anax, you really have never said whether you think the US government was complicit or imcompetent, or a combination of both. Of course then I have never asked you directly, before now. Now I am asking. What percentage complicity and what percentage incompetence. Whenever you're ready, do not rush. Walk do not run. Whatever.

I remember saying walk before you can run when it came to understanding history. It should be clear I don't believe the US was complicit. Incompetent over security? Arguably.

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