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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 3:02:51 PM

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I prefer that you do the research and convince yourself. No-one is better at convincing you than you yourself. If you cannot, then it becomes a matter of belief - or opportunity. If you cannot, will you choose the red pill, or the blue pill?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 3:21:10 PM

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Foreskins, smoke, and mirrors.

Do you really want to go into foreskins?

Now that you started it I'm sure any minute now we are going to be hearing that circumcision brought down 7.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 3:39:01 PM

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I do not believe the single point of failure "theory" that they posited. I have never heard of a building being able to come down in its entirety because of one central column.

So what else is new that you have never heard about? The iPad2? It cannot exist because you have never before heard about an iPad2?

You are wrong in your disbelief. 7 came down because of that one column. Not because of the tiny weeny fires nor because of the bird droppings that fell on it, but because of that one column. That was the genius of the architect who designed 7. For ages architects have labored to design buildings that would not spontaneously collapse because of fires or earthquakes. For centuries people have had need for sledgehammers or tons of explosives to bring down such near indestructable buildings, often laboring at it for days, weeks or months. Here in Amsterdam I have witnessed a building being demolished bit by bit, using heavy power tools, for more than a year - and that was only the exterior and floors; prior to that they had taken out the innards. And then there was 7. Some genius architect did away with all of them tonnes of explosives and designed 7 in a like manner as a bird trap held up by a single stick. Pull on the rope and the bird will be trapped in nearly an instant. I hugely admire that genius. I admire him and his genius so much that it hurts. He did away with mr. Nobel's dynamite. He ought to be awarded a Nobel Prize for physics.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:05:49 PM

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Last Sunday evening I met someone from New York in a train. He told me that his father, coming out of the subway, saw and heard the first 911 plane come over and fly into the tower.

most of the people in the us have never seen an explosion outside of fireworks. Anyone who has seen a jet go in knows that a jet did not go into either building.

so you will find a lot of talkers with lots of opinions and opinions are like paper assholes and they all go up in smoke on the hot seat.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:07:38 PM

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Peer review is part of

the process of guarding bad science in lieu of good science because its good for business.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:09:41 PM

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4 planes took off that morning full of passengers and crew and never returned. Anyone with just a little common sense knows that 2 of them hit the world trade towers in New York.

lets see the records, signed affidavits, none exist.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:14:41 PM

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most of the people in the us have never seen an explosion outside of fireworks. Anyone who has seen a jet go in knows that a jet did not go into either building.

so you will find a lot of talkers with lots of opinions and opinions are like paper assholes and they all go up in smoke on the hot seat.

Gee, then I wonder what the fuck we were watching on TV.

But I'm sure it was all fake, right Mr. Wizard?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:17:42 PM

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so all those dead people aboard those planes are all alive and their families just don't know? Why don't you tell these families then what happened to their loved ones so they can get them back?

what dead people?

the people who walked out of the pentagon hole said they seen no evidence of plane parts LOL

I want to see piece of paper all the way back to their hospital birth records.

you have no bonsfide evidence that what you say is true.

the government said it does not cut it sorry.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:19:30 PM

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most of the people in the us have never seen an explosion outside of fireworks. Anyone who has seen a jet go in knows that a jet did not go into either building.

so you will find a lot of talkers with lots of opinions and opinions are like paper assholes and they all go up in smoke on the hot seat.

Gee, then I wonder what the fuck we were watching on TV.

But I'm sure it was all fake, right Mr. Wizard?

probably the terminator, that is true too.

who knows maybe predator those damn aliens hunting humas, something should be done about it dont you think?

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:33:08 PM

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We weren't looking in that direction for the first but we were looking for the second.

looking for it?

really?

do tell!

If its another story then there is no point in bringing up is there.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:35:12 PM

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fucking idiot?

Really?

don't tell.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:35:50 PM

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You have a limited comprehension of what a thorough (scientific) investigation consists off.

Nothing is done until I say so.

Per your definition, it consists of ignoring all media reports and evidence, and taking the unverified word of the father of some guy you just met and know nothing about.

ignoring what evidence exactly? there is no evidence that goes to the merits, just supposition. If yo uhave bonafide evidence please do post it so I can be with landru too.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:37:08 PM

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did you see it on tv too?

it was a smash hit.

best ratings I ever saw and for all networks equally..

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:40:17 PM

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well, we know you are not real, nothing you say can be real, and we know its real stupid whatever you say.

thank you for being a nothing on the net.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:48:29 PM

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Don't judge me...judge the material. The second cite is really quite fascinating. Are you a man with a curious mind? Can you review things that are potentially unsettling? If you have that kind of steel in your spine, review it. Then tell us why is meaningless.

no they cant. they get all emotional and cry to the mods that its to hard for there tiny brains to deal with.

anything to suppress the truth.

Hey if you want to kick them in the cocksucker, just force the issue of "global failure"! LMAO

None of them will touch it, they run like their asses are on fire becuase the only thing that can cause "global failure" is demolition LOL

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 4:49:42 PM

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well, we know you are not real, nothing you say can be real, and we know its real stupid whatever you say.

thank you for being a nothing on the net.

you know because you did not see me on tv!

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 5:00:32 PM

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nobody has seen you anywhere.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 5:03:38 PM

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As I have said. I have some questions about the event. I have no answers and I proffer no conspiracy theories.

what is the gubafia involed in that is NOT a fucking conspiracy to fuck someone?

Took a lot of people to come up with the wmd lie. That IS a bonafide conspiracy not a theory prima facia on its face!

There is a video oiout there that is a divx, crystal fucking clear video where you can see them blow 7 all to hell. Likewise with 1 and 2, hell its even an nbc video.

its just,,,, tear tear tear too horrible to think about.... I cant take it! The horror.... My brain is melting from the very thought of horror! I am so fucking broke up I can even speak about it.... I'm sorry I have to go neo whhhoooohoooooo.....

Besides I want to finish watching blood sucking freaks and hannibal is q'd up

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 5:37:16 PM

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Ok...I read it. I do not believe the single point of failure "theory" that they posited. I have never heard of a building being able to come down in its entirety because of one central column. The OKC building is a perfect case in point. You say they are constructed differently and that may be true. However, buildings have foundations that have to have structure integrity individually. That is why you still see a large amount of the OKC building still standing.

The damage to the column was just one factor. You are still comparing it to another building where you have no idea if it was structurally the same. That is the flaw in that argument. Furthermore the damage done to each was not similar. Theorists have to move beyond simplistic comparisons. Only an expert could truly compare such things.

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In the like you cited, the writer still claims that the fires were intense. Find me ONE steel building that has ever collapsed due to a fire. Look...there were steel skeletons standing after either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Fire brought down Building 7? Fire AND a gash in the front of the building that leaves many windows in the front and all of the visible windows on the side still intact??

It was a combination of extensive damage and fire which if left unabaited would damage the annealing of the steel. Steel buildings have collapsed due to fire. Here is one thirteen story building in Holland http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/105731/46ccb8cd/bouwkunde_gebouw_delft_stort_in_topic.html - the steel wasn't holding up nearly as much of a load.

Many compare WTC 7 with the Madrid building which is a steel framed building that was also on fire but again the comparison isn't at all commensurate: http://www.debunking911.com/madrid.htm - the steel structure of that building (not the concrete reinforced steel core) actually collapsed after a shorter time than WTC 7!

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I reviewed your link. I just don't find it persuasive. One of the most un-persuasive things about it is the actual picture of Building 7 after the tower collapse. If the building had collapsed in its center leaving a U shape that surrounded the gash, perhaps I could get my head around it better.

Sorry but that reasoning doesn't follow. If the gash weakened that area it would most probably fall just as much or more into that area from the stories above.

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Like I said, I have no answers, only questions. To the naked eye, Building 7 may have been totaled after the event and would have required demolition. Fine. But it certainly did not look damaged enough to collapse on its own.

After reading your reply I have to say it seems that you don't look at the material with an open mind. Why would I say that? Well you are credulous when looking at the material from sites with an extremely dubious reputation like Prison Planet. By contrast you are extremely sceptical when looking at other sites that offer an alternative view. It seems you have made up your mind despite your protestations to the contrary. I pointed out that if you have questions then weigh up accounts from both sides but it requires an open mind.

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RE: There was a plane! - 8/10/2011 5:51:15 PM

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Well then you won't mind if I and others on here disagree with your assertions!

Indeed, I do not mind. But your lack of faith does will sadden me. It is good that you lot of ordinary people are blissfully unaware of your plight, but it would be better if you were not unaware.

Lack of faith in yourself? Honestly you crack me up!!! Ordinary people? Well I for one certainly wouldn't want to be "special" like your good self!

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It isn't a confession, it is an honest admission for the sake of clarity. It is sufficient to look to expert knowledge for guidance. This is what the vast majority of people actually do all the time, including experts in other fields, such as judges.

I am not the vast majority of people.

Bloody good thing you aren't!

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Very few people actually have sufficient expertise to make factual pronouncements based purely on their own technical knowledge of certain events like the collapse of the towers. People in these instances rely on expertise. I know you don't possess such expertise either so stop embarassing yourself by pretending to be a know-all.

Yeah, yeah, and the vast majority of people actually do need someone else to light the light, put fire into the hearth and to wipe their nose, not so? A boyscout who hasn't left high school yet can tell you that a couple of kitchen fires cannot bring down such buildings. Please stop parroting your experts and go to one of them boyscout associations and rent there a brain. What are you? A tape-recorder? If you lack wits, then consult somebody who has plenty of wits.

Well I'm sure you are completely independent, having possession of all the learning of the last 2,500 years inside your head. Need a TV? No problem, Rule can make the parts and build it for you. I don't parrot experts, I rely on them to understand the situation. That is infinitely preferable to a Walter Mitty daydreaming conspiracist who thinks he knows everything, and has all the answers! In civilisation there is an inter-dependence of ability and knowledge. That is what got man out of the muck. Deal with it.

Sorry but who rents a brain from a boyscout association? Is that where you got yours? Did you learn all you need to know from learning how to tie special knots and read a map?

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I have listened to the experts. Experts are the people who provide their expertise to assist others. Thats what experts do Rule!

So that is your excuse for not thinking yourself? You are gullible, an easy mark.

... as opposed to a daydreamer who simply invents whatever he wants to believe or rips it from any nutty conspiracy text?

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LOL Rule, if someone is wrong then it means they are not right.

Once people thought that nerves were pneumatic tubes that made the muscles swell up and deflated them. Wrong? Yes and no. Yes they were wrong: nerves are not pneumatic tubes. But also: Yes, they were right: electrical signals conveyed by the nerves do make muscles contract.

Your failure to realize that people who are wrong may nevertheless be right, is telling. You lack the ability to perceive truth.

You said in post 110 "That somebody is wrong does not mean that they are not right. It merely means that they cannot perceive the truth either." to which I replied that a person cannot be right if they are wrong. Now you are shifting the goal posts by cioting an instance where they were partly right. That is not the same thing so quit strawmanning.

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Rule, I think everybody here knows you have a very active imagination. However, imagination is not a sufficient quality. You won't find the truth in your conspiratorial daydreams.

It is rather that you lack the ability to perceive truth as you know it not.

If by that you mean that I listen to experts while you refuse to believe and invent your own stories which you claim to be "truth", then yes you are right my friend!

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