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zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 8:43:33 AM)
Read my post again, I wasn't talking in absolutes. There is no such thing as all_______ do this. That is what I was saying. #7

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 8:52:49 AM)
Thanks stoni, for providing yet more evidence that they are mistaken. To Zephy & littlewonder: You may interpret "In my world" to be the equivalent to "The way I do things", but I do not. To me it implies that the person saying it is claiming that whatever he/she is saying is a universal, much like saying "Maybe on your planet". It is dismissive of any opposing view as not part of reality. And he did in fact say that the CM boards are part of his world, or did you miss that bit? In post #12: quote: The aforementioned "my world" includes these CM discussion boards. So he is saying that on the CM boards, only subs are restrained. quote: The way you are writing comes off a whole lot like my way is right, everyone else is wrong. Of course I am saying that, because I am saying there is no one way of doing things. Are you honestly going to claim that I am wrong? That it isn't possible for anybody but a sub to be restrained? Don't read into his words things that aren't there, read what he actually said. He said very clearly that his way was the only way, and he repeated that sentiment in hes reply.

LaTigresse -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 8:54:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stoni23 Actually, one of my previous Dominants enjoyed a good cathartic release every now and then and would allow herself to be restrained in the process. She definitely did not identify herself as a switch. But, overall I would imagine there would be far less Top/Dominants/Daddies that would be restrained I would totally fucking want to torture and murder anyone that tried to 'restrain' me! BUT..........that has nothing to do with me being dominant and not submissive. It has everything to do with my sense of claustrophobia and out and out panic at tight places or even items of apparel. I remember my younger brothers, when they got old enough to be bigger than I, thinking it was fun to attempt to overpower me by either sitting on me, pinning me, or flinging me over their shoulder and going jogging. It never ended well for them. Not once. They soon learned what a really bad idea it was and quit.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 8:55:17 AM)
quote: There is no such thing as all_______ do this. Oddly enough, you were saying I was wrong for saying exactly that. I think you have misunderstood something somebody said somewhere along the line.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 9:02:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: There is no such thing as all_______ do this. Oddly enough, you were saying I was wrong for saying exactly that. I think you have misunderstood something somebody said somewhere along the line. Okay I just went back and reread the whole exchange. Turns out we are in agreement Heather - gee what a surprise. I can see that in the context of this thread yeah Focus was being really quite "one true way" and you weren't. My apologies Heather. #7

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 9:34:23 AM)
No problem, like I said, something was misunderstood. [:)]

PeonForHer -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 9:53:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained.... <shrugs> That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover. Focus's sense of 'in my world' means 'the way I do things in my D/s life'. Or at least that's I how I read it. But I'll stand corrected if Focus comes on here to say I read him wrong.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 9:57:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather No problem, like I said, something was misunderstood. [:)] Had to be, you and I tend to agree. If we had really disagreed, the apocalypse would have started. #7

Focus50 -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 2:40:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather So, what he is really saying is: Switches and dominant bottoms are imaginary. This is the only piece of your utter nonsense I can be bothered responding to...! Question: Where did I say that? I'm a hetero, male, dominant. "Switches and dominant bottoms" - and female dominants and male subs, gays and anything else NOT relative to a hetero male dominant are not part of my life, relationships, interests blah blah. In other words, they're not part of my world. How tha hell does that imply anything not relative to my world is imaginary? Or one-true-wayist? However, being a regular to CM makes CM part of my world. It does not mean CM belongs to me, for cryin' out loud. I swear you come here for therapy. You apply a rigid and literal interpretation to a throw-away line just so you can be difficult and contrary. What you think is clever is just bastarisation - nothing more than the acting out of a tiresome little drama queen. If others wanna get sucked in with your crap, that's a matter for them and their conscience. Since there is no possibility of having a mature discussion with you, I'm done trying. Hey, you win. Kudos.... [:-] Focus.

HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/13/2011 5:32:17 PM)
quote: Hey, you win. Kudos.... Yay!

agirl -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 8:29:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained.... <shrugs> That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover. Focus's sense of 'in my world' means 'the way I do things in my D/s life'. Or at least that's I how I read it. But I'll stand corrected if Focus comes on here to say I read him wrong. I also read Focus as meaning in his herb garden. I also do the same thing. In fact, I'm pretty certain you're pretty much irrelevant to almost everybody on here. Very wrong. Despite him being a world away, depite him being a culture apart, despite me being the almost total antithesis of what he'd like....... he's certainly not irrelevant to me and nor are his posts and thoughts. My world clearly includes these forums, as in * I read and post here. That doesn't alter my own world........and that's where I post from. agirl

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 9:02:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained.... <shrugs> That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover. Focus's sense of 'in my world' means 'the way I do things in my D/s life'. Or at least that's I how I read it. But I'll stand corrected if Focus comes on here to say I read him wrong. I also read Focus as meaning in his herb garden. I also do the same thing. In fact, I'm pretty certain you're pretty much irrelevant to almost everybody on here. Very wrong. Despite him being a world away, depite him being a culture apart, despite me being the almost total antithesis of what he'd like....... he's certainly not irrelevant to me and nor are his posts and thoughts. My world clearly includes these forums, as in * I read and post here. That doesn't alter my own world........and that's where I post from. agirl What agirl said. eta oh yeah I forgot the OP-lol. Having never done any of this in public, and never planning to, all I can say is if your Master did not find it hot, he would not do it. That is how I got past my issues of nudity with my former. He said "if I wanted you clothed because I thought that made you look better, you would be that way. Now shut up and strip slut!"

slaveluci -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 9:36:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl Very wrong. Despite him being a world away, depite him being a culture apart, despite me being the almost total antithesis of what he'd like....... he's certainly not irrelevant to me and nor are his posts and thoughts. Indeed! He's actually one of the ever-decreasing number of posters I actually respect and usually agree with. Not irrelevant at all to me.........luci

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 9:55:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: Hey, you win. Kudos.... Yay! pssst you should ask what you won and claim your prize

PeonForHer -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 3:26:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: Hey, you win. Kudos.... Yay! Yep, I have to say, balancing a) the fact that you have a nice arse and it's agreeable to think about you being naked most of the time at home and scantily clad while you're out and b) your argument here, versus of that of Focus . . . . All in all, I still have to say that you were talking bollocks, there. No offence. :-)

Focus50 -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 3:51:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather quote: Hey, you win. Kudos.... Yay! pssst you should ask what you won and claim your prize You (all) win with the white ant effect - an "only females are welcome to participate" CM discussion forums, of course. At least, those forums for actually discussing D/s. You haven't noticed? Just so we're clear in this instance, it's not Heather's victory so much as the combined effect of otherwise intelligent people who buy into the twisted and bastardised crap she (and her partner) continually spew. Good people are exiting CM's boards and not being replaced. Could be for many reasons but "Ask a Master" esp is a vacuum of male-dom contributions. This thread is a good example.... A question is asked and I give a sincere reply from my hetero-male-dom perspective. My resident stalker takes yet another cheap shot without ever addressing the topic himself, and promptly disappears back down his hole. Cues "little miss issues".... In a nutshell, I need to broaden my horizons because the only "real doms" are actually gay-female-switches - but I'm the one-true-wayist...! Diverse opinion is no longer cool etc. And the crowd cheers.... And that last sentence gives me pause; has me considering my further participation on these forums (as well as my first signature line). Rule of life No4 - don't bother with places you're not welcome. Quite the drama-queen myself, ay? Still, where are all the male posters going? Because I don't need the intolerant but currently populist garbage such has played out in this thread. Focus.

slaveluci -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 5:43:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 Just so we're clear in this instance, it's not Heather's victory so much as the combined effect of otherwise intelligent people who buy into the twisted and bastardised crap she (and her partner) continually spew. I couldn't agree more, Focus. Master and I have been laughing at what's been going on over the last couple of months but, the truth is, it's really something to be mourned, not laughed at. And, as you pointed out, it's not as much what they say and how they say it as it is otherwise reasonable, willing-to-friendly debate ya people not only tolerating their nonsense and abuse but lapping it up and cheering them on. I've been here about 4 1/2 years with about 3,800 posts and I can count on one hand the number of folks I've truly had issues with on these boards. Then, these people come along (the two main ones and their demented Abbot & Costello act sidekicks) and just start totally disrespecting me and many others. Then their champions - people I'd never had a harsh word with here in years - start attacking too. Actually had the nerve to accuse me of writing something I absolutely did not and then call me a "liar" when I said I didn't. It's crazymaking, Twilight Zone-type bullshit and it's mean-spirited and bullying and ignorant. And no one does anything but chuckle and cheer them on. It's really pathetic. The bottom line is that if I tried to get away with saying one shred of the bullshit they do, I'd long since been shouted down. So would any newbie and many other established posters. I honestly don't know why people who otherwise have bullshit detectors on 10 and who don't tolerate the know-it-all rudeness this bunch is so good at are eating this up with a spoon. I guess a few half naked pix of itty bitty titties and sitting-on-the-potty shots go along way[8\|] 'cause that's the only reason I can come up with. quote: Diverse opinion is no longer cool etc. And the crowd cheers.... And then gigglesnorts and teehees and shouts down anyone who doesn't love their nonsense like they do. quote: And that last sentence gives me pause; has me considering my further participation on these forums (as well as my first signature line). Rule of life No4 - don't bother with places you're not welcome. Quite the drama-queen myself, ay? Still, where are all the male posters going? Because I don't need the intolerant but currently populist garbage such has played out in this thread. I really hope you stick it out, Focus. Your contributions have always been thought-provoking and valued by myself and many others. Your sig line is very true, esp. here lately but over the years, we've seen 'em come and go, eh? Barge in full of shit and shinola, cursing with every breath and telling us all how it's done and how if it ain't done like that, it's wrong. They're a dime a dozen and, if it wasn't for the insane tolerance of otherwise broad-minded folks, they'd have been on their merry little ways already. Hang in there. Such populist garbage, as you say, too shall pass. We can only hope it's sooner rather than later.........luci

agirl -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/14/2011 7:17:02 PM)
Well, I won't elaborate as luci has said what I've been thinking for a while. It's clear that I'm not a lone voice, anyhow. I said my piece earlier but I'd add that it's not that the gals have nothing to say but they seem to be always on red alert looking for reasons to get kitted out in riot gear or ready to have a good old pisstake or to tell people what a back-arsed way they are are approaching this. It was novel at first but it's a little tiresome in such quantity. I would like to add the same thoughts luci did, that you stay around. I, for two would very much miss your thoughts and views. agirl

stoni23 -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/15/2011 7:14:23 AM)
I will back you 100% focus. I completely agree with everything you have said. These forums should be a place to discuss things openly, not be absolutely ridiculed for no reason beyond self indulgence.

EmilyRocks -> RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint (8/15/2011 9:23:07 AM)
I read it Heather's way myself, but perhaps I was influenced by Focus50's past history of basically dismissing as unimportant anything that doesn't fall within his particular frame of reference. This whole section is ridiculous, you do realise that don't you people? Focus is throwing a tantrum because somebody disagreed with him and the rest of you are jumping in saying he is a valued and reasonable poster? How valuable and reasonable a contributor can he be if he is kicking and screaming about being disagreed with? Look at what happened here, Focus made a blanket statement, one that any of you would be all over me or anybody else, especially Hannah, for saying, and when he was told there were other options his response was to claim that the person saying it was insisting only her way was valid ("In a nutshell, I need to broaden my horizons because the only "real doms" are actually gay-female-switches"), which is the complete opposite of what was said. Yet, the rest of you are all repeating what he said. You are ignoring what was actually said because of who said it. There's more than a little hypocrisy in the air here. I don't like Hannah either, I think she's a boor, but this is dumber than dumb. Heather has a disagreement and she is now accused of doing all sorts of things she didn't do at all, just so you can complain about her girlfriend. You are all claiming that there is some sort of clique of fawning acolytes that follow Heather and Hannah around. Where are they? Hmmm? Where are they? I don't see any. What I do see is a vituperative clique that follows them around to whine about how they say things ~ and Heather is one of the calmest and most reasonable posters on these boards ~ an make comments blaming them for the demise of the site. That's about as stupid a thing as can be said. I nearly left over the reception I got the last time I posted, and neither Hannah nor Heather was involved. Only several other "respected and reasonable" long term posters. This whole board is rude, insulting, dismissive and belittling of anybody who posts anything opposing the accepted group-think, something Focus50 has complained about himself on many occasions. Like I said, I don't like Hannah in the least, but I do like watching the rest of you squirm when you are given a dose of your own medicine.

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