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BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 4:09:23 PM   
MasterHelios


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Status: offline 		In Gorinfo the ops slam Y/you hard if You mention bdsm, or even talk about igving, or accpeting pain. They say Gor is not about pain that bdsm.

Well I hate to dissillusion them big time, but 75% of the ppl that are Gore are former, or incorporated BDSMers like Me that beautifully blended them.

Does one that has practiced bdsm go to hell if they want to venture into Gorean? I don't think so as they blend wonderfully.

Does a slave in Gorean only serve,and give sex? Again I don't think so well they think so narrow minded if you ask Me. It is so much more so deep with respect, protocals, love, pain can be a major factor if the T/two agree on it, both enjoy it.

Sex is a part of it not the whole theme with getting served total obedience began as a bdsm deal first kiddies. The books are a guideling filled with Masters(resses) spanking, beating, all kinds of bdsm in them. Mercy give Me a break Gorinfo.
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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 4:13:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think everything is basically what people make it to suit their personality and preferences. There is no BDSM or Gor god up there saying "This is how it should or will be".

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 4:15:39 PM   
MasterHelios


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Status: offline 		Thank you for that most excellent reply. As it should be yes that is it entirely.

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 5:46:23 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Helios, If you want to dedate this in depth i sugest that you do so in the Gorean Lifestyle Forum so all i will say is that by your own words yo have demonstrated that at the worst you only role play Gor on line and at the best you play at being a Gorean Master and do not understand Gor. My opinion but I'll wager it is supported by most Gorean Lifestylers... 

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 5:52:57 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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Status: offline 		In Gorinfo the ops slam Y/you hard if You mention bdsm, or even talk about igving, or accpeting pain. They say Gor is not about pain that bdsm.

If your refering to those within the gorean forum I would ask where someone was "slammed" for brining up bdsm. There have actually been some indepth discussions as of late and probably in the past regarding bdsm vs. goreans. I also know several within the forums that openly mix gorean philosophies and bdsm. There is also a large number of "nongoreans"  that are regulars within the gorean forum here on CM.

Does one that has practiced bdsm go to hell if they want to venture into Gorean? I don't think so as they blend wonderfully.

Again I would ask to show one post within the gorean forum where this was stated. As I said before there are a number who openly blend them and are welcome within the gorean forums. We are not riduculed.

Does a slave in Gorean only serve,and give sex? Again I don't think so well they think so narrow minded if you ask Me. It is so much more so deep with respect, protocals, love, pain can be a major factor if the T/two agree on it, both enjoy it.

Please show me one thread about what gor is where this is stated all a kajira or kajiru does. I also think your missing the factor that once a kajira /kajiru is collared by a gorean home, gorean Master, gorean Mistress they have conscented to none conscent. There typically is little to no negotation as to what things happen after that point.

Sex is a part of it not the whole theme with getting served total obedience began as a bdsm deal first kiddies.

Again please show me one post where someone stated the gorean lifestyle was based on sex or the major factor. Now I don't know how you are calling a kiddie or why you would choose to speak down to adults who make adult choices for their lives. I don't think it is called for and in my opinin shows your true intent on simply bashing goreans.

 The books are a guideling filled with Masters(resses) spanking, beating, all kinds of bdsm in them. Mercy give Me a break Gorinfo.


Please show me one qoute from the books where a slave was spanked. Or where a slave was whipped when it was not being done as a punishment.

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:06:14 PM   
ZenDragoness


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quote:

ORIGINAL: slavejali

I think everything is basically what people make it to suit their personality and preferences. There is no BDSM or Gor god up there saying "This is how it should or will be".


Slavejali, this brought a wonderful laugh to me and happen to touch my deepest beliefs, not only concerning bdsm. The need to define structures, textbooks or bibles for classificiation and guidelines, seems to me often to stem from unsure and weak personlities, that have to have classifications to feel sure or to have a possibility to rule  others.



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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:11:45 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Hello Nika...

Gorinfo is a chatroom on collarme.  They have their own sets of rules that have created to keep their room in the order they wish.

I would only say to MasterHelios, as I have said to countless others... if you can not abide by the rules set by those who created a room or forum.. exit.

You are wrong to try to change them to your rules.. You want your rules?  Start your own room.

I recently opted out of a thread for that very reason.

Easily enough accomplished, I think?

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:20:24 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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Status: offline 		puella,
 
Thanks for the bit of information.
I don't think I have ever gone into a CM gorean chat room.*laughs*
 
Though I am sure it like a gorean chat room on any other chat server.
 
I agree, if you enter a chat room created by someone else you are agreeing to follow their rules. If you don't like them no one is forcing you to stay or go there again you can simply "x" out.
 
By the way puella, there is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree infact I respect you for how you handled that certain thread.
 
To the op I apologize for thinking that when you said Gorinfo that you were refering to the gorean forum.



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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:29:02 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Well thanks Nika... but best by far was Berkeley's Dr. Seuss post!! lol

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:37:51 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

Well thanks Nika... but best by far was Berkeley's Dr. Seuss post!! lol



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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:43:45 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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Status: offline 		Bondage: Gor has it's share of this. Even a collar is a form of bondage. If you wish to stick to the books, slaves were often tied in a variety of ways.
 
Discipline: No sense in even covering this one. Plenty of it in Gor.
 
Sadism: Here is where the feud really begins. But do bear in mind that reducing someone to a slave mindset is mental sadism. Furthermore, anyone wielding a whip yet claiming to not be a sadist is both a liar and a sadist. It can be claimed that the whip is only used for discipline, but this is a quite childish outlook. Discipline and pain need not go hand in hand. The simple fact is that the whip wielder desires the two to be used in conjunction.
 
Masochism: Either the women that subject themselves to this lifestyle have at very least a smidgen of masochism in them, or else they have some serious issues that would draw them into this lifestyle.
 
Put them all together, and what do you get? BDSM! Gor IS BDSM. Why else would they have chatrooms and message boards on a BDSM site?

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 6:48:37 PM   
puella


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This exact discussion has been raging in the Gorean Forum... There have been some interesting posts there, with quotes from the Gorean books to back up many assertions.. you  might want to check that out.

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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 7:39:17 PM   
ZenDragoness


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy


Put them all together, and what do you get? BDSM! Gor IS BDSM. Why else would they have chatrooms and message boards on a BDSM site?


Puella is referring to the thread over at the gorean forum, where the topic was discussed. The difference the goreans make, is that they claim there philosophy sets them apart. Unluckily this philosophy seems to go for a part of the Gorens with an attitude, that their belief system make them superior to everybody else, much like religous fundamentalists or politcal extremists. As i stated some time ago, as somebody who studied politology, history and sociology the Goreans (a very splittered and fractured crowd btw;would in fact be a fascinating subject of an ethnology-habil.) show a lot of the kind of attitude, that is displayed by sects. Due to that some of them are acting like par example christian missionaries.

On the other hand, some of them behave like adults and some of that some are happen to write here on collarme. I even met goreans in RL and have a female friend, who goes by the screen name BinaKajiira. She choose gor, some 15 years ago and she is sincere in her ways.

To the ot, i am with Puella on that one, when in Rome, behave like the Romans do.

edited due to spelling errors


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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 7:45:23 PM   
IronBear


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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Bondage: Gor has it's share of this. Even a collar is a form of bondage. If you wish to stick to the books, slaves were often tied in a variety of ways.
 
Discipline: No sense in even covering this one. Plenty of it in Gor.
 
Sadism: Here is where the feud really begins. But do bear in mind that reducing someone to a slave mindset is mental sadism. Furthermore, anyone wielding a whip yet claiming to not be a sadist is both a liar and a sadist. It can be claimed that the whip is only used for discipline, but this is a quite childish outlook. Discipline and pain need not go hand in hand. The simple fact is that the whip wielder desires the two to be used in conjunction.
 
Masochism: Either the women that subject themselves to this lifestyle have at very least a smidgen of masochism in them, or else they have some serious issues that would draw them into this lifestyle.
 
Put them all together, and what do you get? BDSM! Gor IS BDSM. Why else would they have chatrooms and message boards on a BDSM site?


Tree points,

  1. There are a largish number of Gorean Lifestylers who also enjoy BDSM activities in either or both private or in public and there are numerous BDSM, D/s and M/s people who also interacting with Goreans.. The Gorean Lifestyle Forum was created here in CM after a poll was taken by the Mods to ascertain if we wanted our own forum. The Gor chatrooms are private chats created by Gorean Lifestylers.
  2. "Sadism: Here is where the feud really begins. But do bear in mind that reducing someone to a slave mindset is mental sadism. Furthermore, anyone wielding a whip yet claiming to not be a sadist is both a liar and a sadist. It can be claimed that the whip is only used for discipline, but this is a quite childish outlook. Discipline and pain need not go hand in hand. The simple fact is that the whip wielder desires the two to be used in conjunction."  ..... A whip can be and is used for punishment only. I have one for Home iron Bear and when we have slaves in collars it is designed as the most severp punishmant with other punishments such as corner time, additional work being used in preference. On a pleasure bases the whip will not me used (A five bladed Gorean Slave whip, not a multi or sinple tail as usually used in BDSM).
  3. You are assuming that slavery is a key element of a Gorean Liufestyle. This is completely wrong and there are Gorean Homes who do not own slkaves for numerous reasosn. Home Iron Bear is one of these with the reason being even on the CM profiles lists, there are only two femal slaves who have a basic interest in Gor and who may or may not accept a poly home in Queensland. Both would need to relocate and at this time I have neither the space nor finances to either help them relocate nor support them. We still have a functional Gorean Lifestyle Home running.... Whilst i am interested to gain practical experience in such things as Shibari (love the beauty of it and the techniques0 and needle play my life and happiness does'n revolve it. I can happily live with out BDSM (Especially with the ongoing disinterghration of Brisbanes BDSM community and the back stabbing going on there, I'm well out of it).


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RE: BDSM-GOREAN can be incorporated - 5/19/2006 8:56:05 PM   
becca333


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It's ironic that we follow this lifestyle and consider ourselves free of the usual constraints of society - then we build even more constrictive sets of rules!

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