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Edwynn -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 1:28:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn I most certainly AM a "leftist" as held in regard by those who create description of the world to their own convenience and are in lack of basic comprehension skills and display overt disdain of anything factual in nature, and consistently display profound ignorance as to the difference between socialism, communism, a market economy, etc. Yup, I be a 'leftie' in that alternate universe of yours and sanity's. In other words, you don't know what it means yourself, but by god you aren't going to let anyone catch you with your pants down. Better to just baffle 'em with a bunch of insulting generalisms all wrapped up in negative phraseology. [8D] It's not me that insisted on such terminology in the first place, but no, it's not that I don't know what it means to those in need of such terms in their dumbed-down world; they bray it at every opportunity. I go for true/false of the real world as opposed to the right/left of the ideological bent, sorry if that was missed. But given the situation, understandable. quote: Better to just baffle 'em with a bunch of insulting generalisms all wrapped up in negative phraseology If you are trying to tell us that Firm's use of the term under consideration here contains anything other than the most negative of connotations, there would be a large audience for that one.

MrRodgers -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 1:32:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity "Its like deja-vu, all over again..." quote: U.S. Consumer Confidence Drops to Three-Decade Low Amid Economic Headwinds Confidence among U.S. consumers plunged in August to the lowest level since May 1980, adding to concern that weak employment gains and volatility in the stock market will prompt households to retrench. The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary index of consumer sentiment slumped to 54.9 from 63.7 the prior month. The gauge was projected to decline to 62, according to the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey. The biggest one-week slump in stocks since 2008 and the threat of default on the nation's debt may have exacerbated consumers’ concerns as unemployment hovers above 9 percent and companies are hesitant to hire. Rising pessimism poses a risk household spending will cool further, hindering a recovery that Federal Reserve policy makers said this week was already advancing “considerably slower” than projected. “We’re really at the bottom of the barrel right now,” Lindsey Piegza, an economist at FTN Financial in New York, said before the report. “Americans are feeling an increasing level of frustration with their leaders in Washington. We’re also seeing a slew of weaker than expected economic reports.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-12/u-s-consumer-sentiment-falls-more-than-expected-to-54-9-in-michigan-index.html Maybe Obama doesnt have his boot on the throat of enough American businesses yet? [8\|] Your OP's are simply a vehicle for your ideological drivel. For example, Obama has cuts billions in taxes for small business and the biggies are sitt'n on trillions. There is never an there...there. Your Obama is a fictional, fantasy figure. You are not talking about what is really happening or the man's policy enactments. Here is just another post of your partisan opinions about...surveys of opinions no less. If I am the typical lazy, slothful, risk averse, greedy, capitalist scum...I love Obama...the rest is propaganda about getting even a better deal. 'My' tax cuts have continued and they are talking about further reducing the lowest corporate taxes in 50 years that has produced not a single fucking job and will boost yet again...by stock options. If I am in business in America and particularly big business and I can't get as much as I want for my millions invested in congress, you bet your old ass...I will be donating to Obama's re-election.

Edwynn -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 1:54:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Ok...Edwynn so go ahead and define what being a "lefty" is. See above post. It's YOU that needs the term, so quit demanding of me what I have no use for in the first place. But then that's only your nature, isn't it, just like your ideological buddies the Koch brothers, who constantly bitch about government but would go out of business tomorrow if our government finally took the teat away from them. quote: Also...be honest, tell us what social programs you avail yourself of. Tuition assistance here. How about you? Oh, you mean that court system? That tax payer funded scam that you lawyers run? Right. You have every right to question others then, even as you and your cohorts suck everybody dry at our expense. Piece of work, you are.

popeye1250 -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 1:56:04 PM)
"Daddy, next summer vacation I want to smuggle guns into Mexico like President Oblunder!"

FirmhandKY -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 2:18:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Your [posts] are simply a vehicle for your ideological drivel. Right back atcha, bro. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers For example, Obama has cuts billions in taxes for small business and the biggies are sitt'n on trillions. There is never an there...there. None of the "small business owners" I know believe that he has cut "billions" from their tax bills. And one of the reasons for a lot of businesses keeping "large piles of cash" on-hand is because of the extreme uncertain business environment that this administration has pushed down our throats. His massive additions to bureaucracy and regulations, his illegal changes to bankruptcy and other laws (putting his "favs" at the head of the trough, for example, or his extortion of BP), his "gotta pass it to see what's in it" bills and his constant class warfare comments and statements have a lot of people who have the ability to hire people and expand sitting on the sidelines. Most business owners are risk takers. But not gamblers. The business and governmental environment Obama has fostered makes most business expansions a gamble, not a risk. Knowing how to weigh risks, and which ones to take is a hallmark of successful entrepreneurs.Gambles are rightfully rare. But go on and rant about them. That's what Obama seems to wish. All it does it lessen the likelihood of a economic recovery. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Your Obama is a fictional, fantasy figure. You are not talking about what is really happening or the man's policy enactments. Here is just another post of your partisan opinions about...surveys of opinions no less. Obama was a "fantasy man" to most of the people who voted for him. Now they are starting to see that fact. quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers If I am the typical lazy, slothful, risk averse, greedy, capitalist scum...I love Obama...the rest is propaganda about getting even a better deal. 'My' tax cuts have continued and they are talking about further reducing the lowest corporate taxes in 50 years that has produced not a single fucking job and will boost yet again...by stock options. If I am in business in America and particularly big business and I can't get as much as I want for my millions invested in congress, you bet your old ass...I will be donating to Obama's re-election. The only capitalist who love Obama are the ones like the CEO of GE, who use the power of government to structure the laws to their favor. The majority of the "capitalists" don't have any desire for the man or his policies. Firm

mnottertail -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 2:29:10 PM)
His massive additions to bureaucracy and regulations, his illegal changes to bankruptcy and other laws (putting his "favs" at the head of the trough, for example, or his extortion of BP), his "gotta pass it to see what's in it" bills and his constant class warfare comments and statements have a lot of people who have the ability to hire people and expand sitting on the sidelines. oh, how the mighty have fallen. now you sound like an ignorant 'teabagger'. citations massive additions? illegal changes to bankruptcy? extortion of BP..................please. gotta pass to see whats in it. Uh, whats in the cuts for the debt ceiling deal? how has that changed? washington business as usual, but not anything different than your clowns are doing, is it? abnd it aint his statement making companies sit on money, they are investing it where people are buying........(that would be where they are working, you see).

FirmhandKY -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 2:37:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail His massive additions to bureaucracy and regulations, his illegal changes to bankruptcy and other laws (putting his "favs" at the head of the trough, for example, or his extortion of BP), his "gotta pass it to see what's in it" bills and his constant class warfare comments and statements have a lot of people who have the ability to hire people and expand sitting on the sidelines. oh, how the mighty have fallen. now you sound like an ignorant 'teabagger'. citations massive additions? illegal changes to bankruptcy? extortion of BP..................please. gotta pass to see whats in it. Uh, whats in the cuts for the debt ceiling deal? how has that changed? washington business as usual, but not anything different than your clowns are doing, is it? abnd it aint his statement making companies sit on money, they are investing it where people are buying........(that would be where they are working, you see). Ron, You mean to tell me that you still believe that Obama is a good or effective President? Firm

mnottertail -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 2:45:43 PM)
No, do you mean to tell me that you still think the bulk of the people who call themselves 'conservative' or 'republican' are anything but idiots? Don't impugn me by innuendo, never have I in any way even remotely said that ever or anything even approaching that (other than easily observable jest)

Edwynn -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 3:11:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY And one of the reasons for a lot of businesses keeping "large piles of cash" on-hand is because of the extreme uncertain business environment that this administration has pushed down our throats. Firm Oh how original. Three years' old op-ed crap from the WSJ, fully intended towards a clueless audience such as political types, even as their reporters laid out for us how businesses witnessed the utterly jokingly ineffectual "banking reform" laws and felt it wise to stay on the sidelines in anticipation of the unavoidable next meltdown. Or it could be that they see that when there are no customers, no need to produce any output then. They just laid off a bunch of workers from decrease in demand, even after all the layoffs from the merger/acquisition prior to the financial meltdown. (hence firsthand knowledge of dwindling consumer demand). And that meltdown was due to 'over-regulation,' right? Sing the song, boy. Was it Obama that shoved toxic CDOs as 'legitimate' commercial paper down the throats of of everybody's money market account, or was it in fact Citigroup and Standard and Poors or Moody's? Damn. I just wish that foreclosure lawyers and short-sale realtors made up a larger percentage of our economy, then we'd be "cooking with gas," huh?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 8:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn And that meltdown was due to 'over-regulation,' right? The meltdown was due, in the end of the analysis, to deficit government spending. And it is far from over. But it could be averted by doing everything possible to grow the economy, and by the demonstration of our government actually being able to get its financial house in order. Both of which are now pretty unlikely, from where I sit. Obama is doing neither, and is actively doing just the opposite. Plenty of blame for both sides of the aisle, but primarily, from an ideological point of view, from redistributionist policies to buy votes. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 8:37:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No, do you mean to tell me that you still think the bulk of the people who call themselves 'conservative' or 'republican' are anything but idiots? Don't impugn me by innuendo, never have I in any way even remotely said that ever or anything even approaching that (other than easily observable jest) hmm, didn't realize that I had impugned you, Ron. Sorry if you took it that way. I think fiscal conservatives are far from idiots. Not so sure about "mainstream Republicans", though. Firm

philosophy -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 10:18:48 PM)
FR ...America has never had a socialist politician on capitol hill, let alone a socialist president. One of the problems in the US political debate is that words like 'socialism', 'communism' and 'fascism' are tossed about with no regard for their actual, defined meanings. Instead they are used in a sort of American context, so that anything left of whatever is considered centre by the current US culture is thought socialist. Anything anti-establishment is communist, and anyone who uses the bible as a way of explaining their politics is a fascist. All bullshit, of course........

erieangel -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/12/2011 10:22:30 PM)
Actually, that is not true. Bernie Sanders, though he serves as an independent, is an admitted socialist and I think he knows the meaning of that word.

Edwynn -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 12:59:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY The meltdown was due, in the end of the analysis, to deficit government spending. You are much more confused than I thought.

popeye1250 -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 1:20:09 AM)
One thing for sure, I really don't want to hear about or even know what a candidates religion is or what their religious "views" are! That should be a rule at the debates," no religion!"

DarkSteven -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 4:57:50 AM)
Obama doesn't have much discretion. Bush came up with the tax breaks, and started two wars. He also had the misfortune to preside over the popping of the RE bubble. Obama has continued the wars and tax breaks. He's chosen to prolong the RE agony instead of making it a short, sharp drop from hell. He's got the misfortune to preside over a wretched economy which both requires more social services and also decreases tax revenues. The only substantive thing he could have done differently would be to abruptly call off the wars. Whoever wins in 2012, Obama or no, will not be able to do much. For all the GOP candidates' talk about cutting spending, they must know that cutting spending during a barely-there recovery will choke the economy. Cutting back services will hurt a large number of people badly and will run across a headwind of negative press. The REAL issues are the increasing exodus of jobs from the US, and the increasing debt. I don't see anyone addressing either problem realistically.

mnottertail -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 7:45:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No, do you mean to tell me that you still think the bulk of the people who call themselves 'conservative' or 'republican' are anything but idiots? Don't impugn me by innuendo, never have I in any way even remotely said that ever or anything even approaching that (other than easily observable jest) hmm, didn't realize that I had impugned you, Ron. Sorry if you took it that way. I think fiscal conservatives are far from idiots. Not so sure about "mainstream Republicans", though. Firm I am going to say this again out loud. I did not vote for Obama, I had no intention of voting for Obama at the outset, my guy left the primaries early on...... You can search it out, I said it long and loud and clearly way back at the beginning. However, I think that shooting Bin Laden was a good thing, offing the somali pirates a good thing, straddling the urges to dive in with both feet in Libya a mediocre thing, his pussification in the way he deals with congress a bad thing, I wish there was as vituperative a rhetoric coming out of the whitehouse as those skunks deserve....... So again, and you know this because we have talked about why I will call ALL republicans something ... Do you mean to say that you <contrived impudence> So what you are telling me is that you <idiotic blathering> and otherwise fashioning positions for me that I first of all don't hold, or secondly that are imputed by drivelous antagonistic means and couched in adversarial manner aint gonna cut it, and Im gonna call bullshit and asswipe on em. I would like to see a host of 'fiscal conservatives' who are numerate and knowledgeable, and can get realistic workable plans to fix this shit out there. There is not one of those on any fucking horizon in government or campaigning to be in government that I have espied. I have however; seen lots of fuckheads who claim that they are, but their innumeracy and the unrealism of their schemes are prima facie evidence to the contrary, and are further running the bobsled full speed to hell.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 8:53:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I am going to say this again out loud. I did not vote for Obama, I had no intention of voting for Obama at the outset, my guy left the primaries early on...... You can search it out, I said it long and loud and clearly way back at the beginning. ... So again, and you know this because we have talked about why I will call ALL republicans something ... Do you mean to say that you <contrived impudence> So what you are telling me is that you <idiotic blathering> and otherwise fashioning positions for me that I first of all don't hold, or secondly that are imputed by drivelous antagonistic means and couched in adversarial manner aint gonna cut it, and Im gonna call bullshit and asswipe on em. Ron, I don't think I did say you voted for Obama. I just asked if you thought he was a "good" President. As far as calling "all" Republicans "something", if you mean that not a single Republican is anything other than a greedy asswipe, then I'll have to disagree, although there are certainly enough who are, just as a fair number of the Democrats are. Still not sure what I said or did that pissed you off, though. But, again, not my intent, so please accept my apologies. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail However, I think that shooting Bin Laden was a good thing, offing the somali pirates a good thing, straddling the urges to dive in with both feet in Libya a mediocre thing, his pussification in the way he deals with congress a bad thing, I wish there was as vituperative a rhetoric coming out of the whitehouse as those skunks deserve....... Agreed, except for the last point. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I would like to see a host of 'fiscal conservatives' who are numerate and knowledgeable, and can get realistic workable plans to fix this shit out there. There is not one of those on any fucking horizon in government or campaigning to be in government that I have espied. I think that there are some, and more in the Republican Party than in the Democratic Party. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I have however; seen lots of fuckheads who claim that they are, but their innumeracy and the unrealism of their schemes are prima facie evidence to the contrary, and are further running the bobsled full speed to hell. We simply disagree. Firm

mnottertail -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 8:58:22 AM)
You mean to tell me that you still believe that Obama is a good or effective President? ^^^^^ Then you suffer from extemely sloppy penmanship. So, thats the end of it. _________________________________________________ I wonder who might be fiscally conservative and numerate? I cannot think of one, perhaps you could lay a name on us?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Not Since The Dark Days of Jimmy Carter: (8/13/2011 9:09:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail You mean to tell me that you still believe that Obama is a good or effective President? ^^^^^ Then you suffer from extemely sloppy penmanship. So, thats the end of it. Just because you didn't vote for him, doesn't mean you can't think he was a decent President, but I'll let that go, as you say. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail _________________________________________________ I wonder who might be fiscally conservative and numerate? I cannot think of one, perhaps you could lay a name on us? I think there are Congressmen who came up with ideas or supported plans that had a decent chance of getting us out of the fiscal mess we are in. Whether or not they have constantly and inevitability voted on each and every single bill in a "fiscally conservative" manner isn't the issue. I'd say the Ryan proposal, and anyone who supported it, either R or D would qualify. As well as anyone who supported the earlier President's commission on the subject (a report which was widely ignored). I'd say anyone who voted against the current plan might qualify, depending on their reasons. Firm

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