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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:34:46 AM

JWriter

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A Master who is fat!?!?!?!?! Give me a fucking break, I'm suppossed to trust you to guide me?!?!? control me!?!?!?

Having looked at your profile, which says you are a dominant female, really makes me wonder about you, now. I mean, why would you think a Master, fat or otherwise, is supposing you will let him guide you or control you, if you are, allegedly, dominant and seeking s-types? You aren't even seeking men. Y ou are seeking women! So, why bother with this nonsense at all? If you are complaining of the overweight, it should be overweight submissive women that offend you, since submissive women is what you want.

Leave the fat Masters to be worried about by the s-types who are seeking Masters in the first place. There is no call to be attacking and complaining about the quality of what you don't even want!

And, for the record, I still think it is better to go by personality. After all, what sort of dominant is it, that would care more about if the slave waddled while they worked, then, that the work got done? Or, who admitted that they were incapable of learning to understand their property and to guide it to better health?

Really!

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:35:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

Actually, historically, it was always the fat people that were looked to, to guide people, as they were obviously the ones who knew how to survive through the winter. In fact, far from not taking care of themselves, they appear to be taking very, very good care of themselves, making sure they are happy and well-fed. But, that's only history and why should we let historical perspective and the truth of human nature get in the way of a good rant.

Maybe because it's been a while since we needed the fat to survive the winter, now fat kills more people, but why should you care about medical facts?

Not everybody who respects his or her body and life enough to want to stay healthy is miserable, some people do enjoy sports.

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Anything other than coming to know the person and finding out their circumstances, is gross and prejudicial, hate-filled assumption.

Does that include your previous rant that women who take care of themselves and like to wear high heels are all weak submissives?

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:40:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

the majority of the U.S. population is overweight. The bdsm population is part of the population which would conclude that the majority are going to be overweight.

My suggestion is to set your requirements and only get to know those men who appeal to you who meet those standards. The rest, just ignore.

Are there statistics that show it's actually the "majority"? Or is this your personal observation? Because it's not been my experience at all. I sit in a meeting in a roomful of say 30 people & I'm the only fat one in there, or there might be one more. I'd love to see these stats!!

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:45:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: kelleyskinky

Fat people are an issue I would like to address finally......
I have been extremely frustrated for many many years now, especially in my local area, with the shear volume of people in my BDSM pool who just do not take care of themselves at all!
A Master who is fat!?!?!?!?! Give me a fucking break, I'm suppossed to trust you to guide me?!?!? control me!?!?!?
You can't fucking control yourself!?!?!? And don't think I haven't noticed that MOST reliable crediable Mistresses are NOT fat!!
I just had to get this out and yeah I know some fat people are fat because of XY&Z but thats a very small percentage.....
It's just very agrivating and I feel it's the elephant in the room really......so thanks for giving me somewhere to rant.

You need to run, not walk, over to FetLife and start a little community for yourself and others like you who are so damn proud and happy to not be FAT that you could just piss your pants every time you think about it, and probably do on occasion.....

I'd rather spend a year in the company of a whole room full of intelligent, educated FAT PEOPLE than to subject myself to one minute in proximity to you and your superficial, ugly-minded outlook on life.

Why don't you read a book or watch a documentary and try to develop a worthwhile thought of some kind to "address".......finally.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:47:32 AM

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Nope, it was a snark directed to the OP.

Oh well then.. I humbly apologize.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:47:41 AM

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I could only find the data from 2003 and that says 30.6% of the US population are obese (that's not overweight but obese), I would assume the percentage has risen.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:47:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

the majority of the U.S. population is overweight. The bdsm population is part of the population which would conclude that the majority are going to be overweight.

My suggestion is to set your requirements and only get to know those men who appeal to you who meet those standards. The rest, just ignore.

Are there statistics that show it's actually the "majority"? Or is this your personal observation? Because it's not been my experience at all. I sit in a meeting in a roomful of say 30 people & I'm the only fat one in there, or there might be one more. I'd love to see these stats!!

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20100210/percentage-of-overweight-obese-americans-swells

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2004/06/11/2381.aspx

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/07/19/idUSN1841918320070719

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:48:50 AM

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Actually, historically, it was always the fat people that were looked to, to guide people, as they were obviously the ones who knew how to survive through the winter.

LOL

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:54:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I could only find the data from 2003 and that says 30.6% of the US population are obese (that's not overweight but obese), I would assume the percentage has risen.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

Tim Tebow (professional football player) is considered obese at 6′2 and 235lb, according to the BMI index, which is what most studies use to determine obesity. And this is the problem with such studies. Just thought to toss that out there, LC!

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 8:57:46 AM

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Unfortunately that is an unrealistic example.

Very very few men that are that height and weight, or ANY OF US that are proportionate to that, are as physically fit, eat as healthy and have the muscle, that Tebow has.

Most of the US population is fat. It is reality. Nothing more and nothing less.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:00:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

Actually, historically, it was always the fat people that were looked to, to guide people, as they were obviously the ones who knew how to survive through the winter.

Not that it's relevant to the discussion, but I'd be curious to see your citations on this. To the best of my knowledge the only cultures which esteemed fat that historians are aware of would be African nations, Polynesians, and a few Caribbean natives. Arguably the East Indians, but the emphasis is on arguably. Hardly the central thread of history. Do you have citations for others?

EDIT: Clarity, spelling

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:04:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: kelleyskinky

Fat people are an issue I would like to address finally......
I have been extremely frustrated for many many years now, especially in my local area, with the shear volume of people in my BDSM pool who just do not take care of themselves at all!
A Master who is fat!?!?!?!?! Give me a fucking break, I'm suppossed to trust you to guide me?!?!? control me!?!?!?
You can't fucking control yourself!?!?!? And don't think I haven't noticed that MOST reliable crediable Mistresses are NOT fat!!
I just had to get this out and yeah I know some fat people are fat because of XY&Z but thats a very small percentage.....
It's just very agrivating and I feel it's the elephant in the room really......so thanks for giving me somewhere to rant.

WRONG

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:07:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I could only find the data from 2003 and that says 30.6% of the US population are obese (that's not overweight but obese), I would assume the percentage has risen.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

Tim Tebow (professional football player) is considered obese at 6′2 and 235lb, according to the BMI index, which is what most studies use to determine obesity. And this is the problem with such studies. Just thought to toss that out there, LC!

True, but which percentage of the population is build like he is? The whole height weight scale is a bit off, muscles are heavier than fat because they're more dense, if you buy a kilo of meat that is pure muscle, you don't get all that much, a kilo of fat is about the volume of a liter.

But to keep it realistic, most of the people you see out there aren't exactly gym bunnies who are heavier due to their muscle mass but are just a bit wobbly from fat.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:08:07 AM

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Does that include your previous rant that women who take care of themselves and like to wear high heels are all weak submissives?

No, but, it does include the fact that I was not ranting, and, that is not at all what the post you are calling a rant was about, but, you and your friends made very gross, hate-filled assumptions about what I meant, by reading it based on the perspective you assumed I have rather than learning what my perspective really is. And, you continued to do so -as is evidenced by this most recent post - despite that I told you that it was not what it was about, and, tried, more than once, to correct that assumption.

Thank you for proving my point. Though, I shouldn't have known you did, since I hid your posts from view, after I realized that you are a forum troll, who seeks out ways to start flame wars, and, I have no idea how or why I can even see your posts now.

Goodbye.

For those of you who do not know what that was in reference to, I made a post, once - in a moment of feeling a little aggravated and depressed and feeling the need for a little female sympathy as to a big problem that keeps cropping up - as to how most dominant men and most submissive men demand exactly the same things from women: that they be some perpetually high-heeled, stocking wearing, fake-breasted, fantasy whore, who grants them full time access to their bodies and never wants anything in return.

Those were not the exact words I used, but, the gist is the same. I think it is very odd and wrong that men who claim to love women and be submissive to them are still demanding that the woman serve them through physical expressions and looks, rather than them seeking to learn to love women in their more natural state, accepting the woman's right to be as physical and made up as she wishes to be (or does not wish to be), and, learning to please the woman in the same way that a submissive woman is expected to learn to do for the dominant males.

For some reason, these women decided that my looking down upon allegedly submissive males who are incapable of actually submitting or even being able to deal with real women, is the same thing as me saying that women who CHOOSE to dress that way, in high heels and stockings, are all evil whores who need to die.

I consider this to be their problem, not mine.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:12:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

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ORIGINAL: JWriter

Actually, historically, it was always the fat people that were looked to, to guide people, as they were obviously the ones who knew how to survive through the winter.

Not that it's relevant to the discussion, but I'd be curious to see your citations on this. To the best of my knowledge the only cultures which esteemed fat that historians are aware of would be African nations, Polynesians, and a few Caribbean natives. Arguably the East Indians, but the emphasis is on arguably. Hardly the central thread of history. Do you have citations for others?

EDIT: Clarity, spelling

I think since she's on about survival in the winter (Africa, Polynesia and the Caribbean don't really tend to get very cold winters where you need to have body fat for insulation and storage) she might be going back to the caveman days and she'd use the Venus of Willendorf as an example, only that wasn't a leader but a fertility symbol...

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:13:46 AM

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Oh look LadyC you've been declared a troll by the biggest authority on trollism - so you must be one, right? Welcome to trollville!

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:18:56 AM

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Well, she thought the site was lame a week ago, so perhaps it's just a great way to generate profile views. Few things start a faster trainwreck than a fat thread. I'm talkin' warp speed, folks.

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:19:41 AM

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Actually PA, as a woman who was a slave, i agree with her on certain levels. To me, if a Man calls himself a Master of someone, then to me, that man had better be in control of himself, his life etc in order to control someone else. NOW, that being said -- if a fat man calls himself a Master and indicates that he chooses to be fat, then to me that is him in control of his life and making a determination of how he wishes to live - however, there is the cool confidence of a Man who seriously determines such and a Man who is blustering such to appear in control.   MOST people however don't want to admit that it is easier for them to remain fat and they choose to be fat. Than do the hard work to get in shape and lose the weight. Acceptance of being fat to me is not always a Man in control either it could be a very huge sign of laziness and no ambition.   But the serious acceptable of being fat , is not acceptable in our society.

All in all, she isn't wrong on many levels to me. IF a person wants to be a Master they should be held to a higher standard than a Man who simply is an average joe or even simply a dominant who doesn't control all of his submissives or slave's life.   Many people don't see or i don't think want to see the distinction but as a woman who was a slave who had no self-determination of her life for 8 years --- whether or not a Man takes care of himself is an indication of the type of Master he is and to me, one who doesn't take care of himself is out of control of his life.

The OP is speaking of a specific type of person a Man who calls himself a Master of others. While one can be a Master of another and not master himself -- is it really conducive to the concept of being a Master?   I mean if you saw a professional athlete who was out of shape and fat etc walking around -- would you really believe he was a professional athlete or respect him?   I know this is a very wide concept but i am speaking of an average professional athlete not a suma wrestler. So for those who want to throw out specific sports where being fat is okay -- don't.

In threads like this the topic tends to go from a specific type of person to every fat person.   I wonder if we can keep it to the specific type this time.

angel

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:20:00 AM

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Oh you mean by the one who's changing her name on a regular basis and sprouts a bunch of nonsense she can never back up? Oh I am so hurt... Should we introduce her to youknowwho?

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RE: Fat People - 8/13/2011 9:23:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: risktaker9

Interesting that your rant about the loss of self control in being overweight could be seen as exactly applicable to what you are doing here...which is having a tantrum in public. So you're supposedly a female Dominant, and it's ok to stomp your feet over something and lose control while railing against something you don't like...? Somehow that is different in being reliable and being able to control things. Your petty nature of being aggrieved over something you cannot change, says the very same thing about you as you perceive being overweight says about others...

Did anyone notice the fact her profile says she is a domme seeking submissive women only, yet she is talking about a Master on the thread.

More CollarMe nonsense.

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