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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:29:29 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I have read their words... and not just the platitudes they preach during a debate. Take the blinders off, willbe.  Many have made their positions known for years.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:30:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thats what you want to hear, willbe.  That isnt what they are saying.

Yup tazzy,

Someone saying they are serious about fixing our money problems but say that ending the shrub tax cuts are off the table, before the talks even begin isn`t honest.

Which described EVERY candidate there.

Just more of the same con bullshit that got us in this mess.

Cons saying that defense spending can`t be touched,same thing.Dishonest and a time waster.

The cons want their cake and to eat it to,even if that means swiping the cake from the WIC program.



< Message edited by Owner59 -- 8/14/2011 10:32:42 PM >

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:32:36 PM   
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I know I recall that from some point in time....


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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:34:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, I have two suggestions:

Raise the Jones's income by restoring the Clinton-era tax brackets.

Reduce the Jones's spending by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Problem solved?

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So there is this email making the rounds, from the debt ceiling debate.  It tries to bring the whole thing into numbers we can wrap our heads around, by the simple device of getting rid of some zeroes, and going from this:

U.S. income: $2,170,000,000,000.
Federal budget: $3,820,000,000,000.
New debt: $1,650,000,000,000.
Total national debt: $14,271,000,000,000.

To this:

Total annual income for the Jones family: $21,700.
Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200.
Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500.
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710.

Now, if we are going to look at this from a family budget point of view, a bit of clarity should be brought in.  It isn't just the credit card for debt.  We need to see that as representing the mortgage and car payment as well.  We used to have more coming in, but the spouse got laid off, and is only working part-time right now.  We also have some in-laws living in the guest room, since losing their house, and while Mom is still doing ok in her apartment, we are getting stuck with the bills for her groceries. 

With those numbers, it's time for everybody to sit down at the kitchen table, and try to figure out a way to clean the mess up.  Suggestions?

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:34:55 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		That`s about same the level of arrogence and lack of concern,too.

Which reminds me of rich.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:40:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rich and I see eye to eye on many issues, Owner.  I often see him disagreeing with many conservatives on these boards... as I do.  I also see him disagreeing with many liberals... as I do.

I truly wish people would pull of the partisan hats... including our politicians... and really just look at the issues.

The issue is.. we are going broke as a nation.  No longer matters who was in charge, who did what.

What matters is fixing it now.


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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:51:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So there is this email making the rounds, from the debt ceiling debate.  It tries to bring the whole thing into numbers we can wrap our heads around, by the simple device of getting rid of some zeroes, and going from this:

U.S. income: $2,170,000,000,000.
Federal budget: $3,820,000,000,000.
New debt: $1,650,000,000,000.
Total national debt: $14,271,000,000,000.

To this:

Total annual income for the Jones family: $21,700.
Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200.
Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500.
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710.

Now, if we are going to look at this from a family budget point of view, a bit of clarity should be brought in.  It isn't just the credit card for debt.  We need to see that as representing the mortgage and car payment as well.  We used to have more coming in, but the spouse got laid off, and is only working part-time right now.  We also have some in-laws living in the guest room, since losing their house, and while Mom is still doing ok in her apartment, we are getting stuck with the bills for her groceries. 

With those numbers, it's time for everybody to sit down at the kitchen table, and try to figure out a way to clean the mess up.  Suggestions?

Step one: Cut as much as possible without letting go of essentials like food, clothes and medicine. The closer we can get the incoming/outgoing $, the better. If we can cut down expenses by $8400 a year that will help with step two.

Step two: Buy another house for about $700 a month mortgage (should be covered by what we already cut) then fix it up with all those able bodied adults who aren't working and rent out the place for $2000 a month. That does increase the overall debt but it moves annual income to $45,700. That is enough to, eventually, pay down the debt and the more we cut, the faster we can pay that outstanding balance down. Of course, it would be better to have a AAA credit rating to get a good rate on that new house.. might have to charge $2100 a month to cover the difference.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 10:58:45 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		I see President Obama as a good faith who is trying honestly to fix our money problems.

I don`t see that coming from the republicans.

Their sudden interest in balanced budgets and money sound policy is just fart wind.

rich is just a reflection of that,as is the OP.

The basic message from the GOP as always,is cut taxes to the rich,lower/kill regulations and screw the poor(more).Basically more of the same of what put us into this mess in the 1st place
.



< Message edited by Owner59 -- 8/14/2011 10:59:58 PM >

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 11:20:05 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I see his good faith effort too.  What I dont see is that spine of steel that is needed.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/14/2011 11:41:03 PM   
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NOTHING

T^T

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 3:54:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

So there is this email making the rounds, from the debt ceiling debate.  It tries to bring the whole thing into numbers we can wrap our heads around, by the simple device of getting rid of some zeroes, and going from this:

U.S. income: $2,170,000,000,000.
Federal budget: $3,820,000,000,000.
New debt: $1,650,000,000,000.
Total national debt: $14,271,000,000,000.

To this:

Total annual income for the Jones family: $21,700.
Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200.
Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500.
Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710.

Now, if we are going to look at this from a family budget point of view, a bit of clarity should be brought in.  It isn't just the credit card for debt.  We need to see that as representing the mortgage and car payment as well.  We used to have more coming in, but the spouse got laid off, and is only working part-time right now.  We also have some in-laws living in the guest room, since losing their house, and while Mom is still doing ok in her apartment, we are getting stuck with the bills for her groceries. 

With those numbers, it's time for everybody to sit down at the kitchen table, and try to figure out a way to clean the mess up.  Suggestions?


First things first, the people loaning you that much money when your income is that low, are either complete idiots, or determined to squeeze every friggin dollar they can out of you regardless of whether little suzy gets her bottle at night or not.

Second, realize bankruptcy isn't just a word for other people, because you're essentially there now.

Third, rework your entire lifestyle as it is apparent you cannot afford it. Assuming mortgage, cars, credit cards and mom's bills are all figuring into the mix, here's the bottom line. Your house is beyond your means. Your cars cost too much. STOP using the credit card! Move mom in with you even though you already have in-laws.

Downgrade on the house. If wasn't too much for you, you'd not be where you are. Sell the cars, buy an older one and learn to fix it. Cut up the credit cards - end of discussion.

No one wants inlaws and mom living with them, but bottom line, if you don;t consolidate, no one is going to be able to eat soon.




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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 3:57:43 AM   
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Obama never came in off of the golf course long enough to submit a plan at all

And ask joether, Senate Dems declared all the Republican plans DOA

And no one ever got a job from a poor man

Yet the Dems plan is to eliminate the rich

"Redistribute" their wealth

Then wonder why there are no jobs

So how is that cyanide- laced Kool-Aide going down for you anyway, Zero

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

I see President Obama as a good faith who is trying honestly to fix our money problems.

I don`t see that coming from the republicans.

Their sudden interest in balanced budgets and money sound policy is just fart wind.

rich is just a reflection of that,as is the OP.

The basic message from the GOP as always,is cut taxes to the rich,lower/kill regulations and screw the poor(more).Basically more of the same of what put us into this mess in the 1st place
.




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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 4:33:42 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"Raise the Jones's income by restoring the Clinton-era tax brackets.

Reduce the Jones's spending by pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan. "

Works great but they put the fucking money in their opocket and we never see it.

BTW, where have you been ? I thought maybe you went to Italy with Merc or some shit. Man you ain't said shit for a while. How are ya, OK ?

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 4:34:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

With those numbers, it's time for everybody to sit down at the kitchen table, and try to figure out a way to clean the mess up.  Suggestions?


Repeal Obamacare. Implementation will create many new laws and regulations. Health Insurance is a large part of an employees compensation package. Employers are learing of hiring right now because they are unsure what these will be and how it will effect them.

Close the Departments of Labor, Commerce, Agriculture, Energy, Eduacation and HUD, then eliminate three fourths of all regulations.

Close the Environmental Protection Agency.

Repeal the Bush-era Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

Repeal last year's Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.

How is that for a start?

A disaster !! ObamaCare will increase hiring and soon and just as under the repubs drug program, the proficiency will be discovered and will be known just as in all other federal programs one must learn to navigate. Say like farm subsidies, tax benefits paid for and also bailouts.

The farmer and the welfare kings will not let you take agriculture. With labor gone, every employee should be ready to be fucked good, education maybe, HUD NO !! the real estate investors love that one. So you see, you run up against as much of right's favored investor class as the left to eliminate certain agencies.

As for repeal of Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank, maybe so, but only because they are not and will not be enforced anyway. The culture of greed sets in at the SEC the enforcers...so they do not enforce regulations just as the have failed miserably throughout their history. Then they triple their pay going to work for the very people they failed to regulate...wall street.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 7:41:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Obama never came in off of the golf course long enough to submit a plan at all

And ask joether, Senate Dems declared all the Republican plans DOA

And no one ever got a job from a poor man

Yet the Dems plan is to eliminate the rich

"Redistribute" their wealth

Then wonder why there are no jobs

So how is that cyanide- laced Kool-Aide going down for you anyway, Zero

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

I see President Obama as a good faith who is trying honestly to fix our money problems.

I don`t see that coming from the republicans.

Their sudden interest in balanced budgets and money sound policy is just fart wind.

rich is just a reflection of that,as is the OP.

The basic message from the GOP as always,is cut taxes to the rich,lower/kill regulations and screw the poor(more).Basically more of the same of what put us into this mess in the 1st place
.




J-boner was in charge of making a bill that could pass,on it`s merits,not by extortion through threats of default.

The president didn`t push this to the edge of default.

J-boner did.The cons control the house and the schedule.

This could have been done months ago.

It was bad faith, weaselly way of getting 98% of what he wanted.

It worked tho,the hostage taker got his 98% and no one got hurt........accept all of America.




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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 11:14:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gotta agree, Owner.  If he is going to go on national TV and snicker about how he got that much of what he wanted, then he has to take responsibility for the outcome as well.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 1:35:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

It is all about jobs and stimulating the economy.


I agree completely, Yngblk.  I'm going to put that down to a combination of us having different ideas of how the economy gets stimulated, and to you not being clear on the nature of the analogy.


Even you the proverbial blind squirrel can find a nut , heretic

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 1:42:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or the family could get rid of their vacation time shares in Iraq and Afghanistan. That investment didn't go as planned anyway. They won't get any of their money back, but at least they can quit throwing money at association fees and maintenance.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 2:30:50 PM   
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Gotta agree, Owner.  If he is going to go on national TV and snicker about how he got that much of what he wanted, then he has to take responsibility for the outcome as well.


He can only share responsibility, since the outcome will depend solely on the super committee. Nothing has happened other than its creation.

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RE: 8 Zeroes - 8/15/2011 2:32:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Willbe, again, is this a day where you feel a need to dog every post I make?  He took credit... he has to take responsibility.

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