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Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 1:04:58 AM   
HarryVanWinkle


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SYLLABICATION:
su·prem·a·cy

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NOUN:
Inflected forms: pl. su·prem·a·cies
1. The quality or condition of being supreme. 2. Supreme power or authority.

                               Superiority: noun:   displaying a sense of being better or greater                                         worth than others

In various threads on the subject of Female Supremacy, I've noticed a tendancy of people to use these words interchangeably.  To me, these words are not synonyms.

When I say that I am something of a Female Supremacist, I mean that I believe that the ideal situation for myself is one in which a woman is supreme in power and authority within our relationship.

Does this mean that I believe that she will be superior to me?  Well, I have to answer that with a qualified "no."  In some ways, no doubt, she will be.  In other ways, I will be superior to her.  But, overall, no.  I do not believe that any human being is of inherently greater worth than any other.

I'd like to hear what others think of this.
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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 1:10:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle
I'd like to hear what others think of this.
 

What do you think when you hear the words "inept, inadequate, inferior. 
I think supreme is a nice sentiment and superior is just role play.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 1:56:06 AM   
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When I say that I am something of a Female Supremacist, I mean that I believe that the ideal situation for myself is one in which a woman is supreme in power and authority within our relationship.

Does this mean that I believe that she will be superior to me?  Well, I have to answer that with a qualified "no."  In some ways, no doubt, she will be.  In other ways, I will be superior to her.  But, overall, no.  I do not believe that any human being is of inherently greater worth than any other.
I'm in agreement, so not much more to add.  M

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 2:19:10 AM   
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What do you think when you hear the words "inept, inadequate, inferior. 
I think supreme is a nice sentiment and superior is just role play.


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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 2:39:41 AM   
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<PERK>  Humiliation????  Ooooh, will you pull my hair too?


You know it! And get on your knees when you address me, Bitch. Lol, .

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 4:45:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had never really thought of it that way... Wow, you've opened a whole new door for me.. thank you.
 
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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 5:00:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle




SYLLABICATION:
su·prem·a·cy

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NOUN:
Inflected forms: pl. su·prem·a·cies
1. The quality or condition of being supreme. 2. Supreme power or authority.

                              Superiority: noun:   displaying a sense of being better or greater                                         worth than others

In various threads on the subject of Female Supremacy, I've noticed a tendancy of people to use these words interchangeably.  To me, these words are not synonyms.

When I say that I am something of a Female Supremacist, I mean that I believe that the ideal situation for myself is one in which a woman is supreme in power and authority within our relationship.

Does this mean that I believe that she will be superior to me?  Well, I have to answer that with a qualified "no."  In some ways, no doubt, she will be.  In other ways, I will be superior to her.  But, overall, no.  I do not believe that any human being is of inherently greater worth than any other.

I'd like to hear what others think of this.


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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 5:38:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle




SYLLABICATION:
su·prem·a·cy:
NOUN:
Inflected forms: pl. su·prem·a·cies
1. The quality or condition of being supreme. 2. Supreme power or authority. 

Superiority:
noun:  
displaying a sense of being better or greater worth than others

In various threads on the subject of Female Supremacy, I've noticed a tendancy of people to use these words interchangeably.  To me, these words are not synonyms.

When I say that I am something of a Female Supremacist, I mean that I believe that the ideal situation for myself is one in which a woman is supreme in power and authority within our relationship.

Does this mean that I believe that she will be superior to me?  Well, I have to answer that with a qualified "no."  In some ways, no doubt, she will be.  In other ways, I will be superior to her.  But, overall, no.  I do not believe that any human being is of inherently greater worth than any other.

I'd like to hear what others think of this.

Excellent way of putting it.  I am onboard when looking at it from that angle.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 5:42:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Harry, thank you ever so much!! I have babbled on and on to try and explain it in a bazillion words and you did it in just a few simple ones.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 9:19:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the way you present it Harry, it would seem that all male subs seeking a D/s relationship with a dominant woman are Female Supremacists. Not that it's a bad thing. <smiles>

I agree with your view, but will add that I think femininity is powerful in many ways.  The woman who are aware of this power can use it to accomplish amazing things,  and in general, through time, even in vanilla relationships, the feminine power is what draws men in and keep them longing for more.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 9:26:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle




SYLLABICATION:
su·prem·a·cy

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NOUN:
Inflected forms: pl. su·prem·a·cies
1. The quality or condition of being supreme. 2. Supreme power or authority.

                              Superiority: noun:   displaying a sense of being better or greater                                         worth than others

In various threads on the subject of Female Supremacy, I've noticed a tendancy of people to use these words interchangeably.  To me, these words are not synonyms.

When I say that I am something of a Female Supremacist, I mean that I believe that the ideal situation for myself is one in which a woman is supreme in power and authority within our relationship.

Does this mean that I believe that she will be superior to me?  Well, I have to answer that with a qualified "no."  In some ways, no doubt, she will be.  In other ways, I will be superior to her.  But, overall, no.  I do not believe that any human being is of inherently greater worth than any other.

I'd like to hear what others think of this.



I think that is very good and thank you. Do you mind if I cross post it to The Village or you can if you want. Please let me know.


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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 11:43:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle
<PERK>  Humiliation????  Ooooh, will you pull my hair too?


You know it! And get on your knees when you address me, Bitch. Lol, .


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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 12:06:33 PM   
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I think that is very good and thank you. Do you mind if I cross post it to The Village or you can if you want. Please let me know.



Goddess,

I would be honored to have anything I've written cross posted to The Village.  Please be my guest.  I'd do it myself, but I haven't the time now to figure out where or how and won't be back online until after tonight's play party, very late.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 12:14:21 PM   
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In the way you present it Harry, it would seem that all male subs seeking a D/s relationship with a dominant woman are Female Supremacists. Not that it's a bad thing. <smiles>


Mistress Lorelei,

I must respectfully disagree.  Many, if not most, men who seek a D/s relationship with a dominant woman place a lot of limits on the nature of the relationship and the power she will have in it.  To my way of thinking a Female Supremacist relationship is a TPE thing.

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I agree with your view, but will add that I think femininity is powerful in many ways.  The woman who are aware of this power can use it to accomplish amazing things,  and in general, through time, even in vanilla relationships, the feminine power is what draws men in and keep them longing for more.


I'd say this is true, not only in Femdom and vanilla relationships, but even in many male dom ones.  I feel this may be a big part of why the dynamics of most male dominant relationships is very different from those of most Femdom ones.

< Message edited by HarryVanWinkle -- 5/20/2006 12:16:41 PM >

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/20/2006 12:33:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

In the way you present it Harry, it would seem that all male subs seeking a D/s relationship with a dominant woman are Female Supremacists. Not that it's a bad thing. <smiles>


Mistress Lorelei,

I must respectfully disagree.  Many, if not most, men who seek a D/s relationship with a dominant woman place a lot of limits on the nature of the relationship and the power she will have in it.  To my way of thinking a Female Supremacist relationship is a TPE thing.

quote:


I agree with your view, but will add that I think femininity is powerful in many ways.  The woman who are aware of this power can use it to accomplish amazing things,  and in general, through time, even in vanilla relationships, the feminine power is what draws men in and keep them longing for more.


I'd say this is true, not only in Femdom and vanilla relationships, but even in many male dom ones.  I feel this may be a big part of why the dynamics of most male dominant relationships is very different from those of most Femdom ones.


To clarify,  I view a D/s relationship as one containing power exchange, with few limits placed on the female.  I know there are many submissive males seeking play or scening, but, I don't consider that a D/s relationship.

However, The definition you mentioned translates supremacy as being the supreme power or authority over another, which standing alone, could be most Female-led relationships, or even play.  Female-led means the woman has the authority.  I see more to supremacy than simply having authority, as someone can hand me a whip and bend over, and I would have authority and a whole lot of power.  I believe it is the 'TPE thing', that counts.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/21/2006 3:12:18 AM   
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Can you post it in Education?

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/21/2006 11:16:39 AM   
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I've changed my personal quote here to once again show the problem with my profile.  I do have one, but one has to jump through hoops to see it.

Crossposting done.  Now a question.  How do I edit my profile?  It seems to think that I am half my age.  Also, how do I upload my picture?

Computer dummy,

Harry

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/21/2006 5:51:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		While it is true that the dictionary definitions for supremacy and superiority are not synonyms, the encyclopedic entries for supremacy show an overlap between the two terms.

I'm not suggesting that there can not be a wide variety of uses for the term Female Supremacy from buzz word fantasy to personal ideal to sexist ideology;  however to assume the fact that sexist ideology is simply a misunderstanding of the word is to ignore the general usage of the term supremacy.

For example:

  • High control / little interference - Air superiority
  • Absolute control / no interference - Air supremacy
Air supremacy is defined in the NATO Glossary as "That degree of air superiority wherein the opposing air force is incapable of effective interference."

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
White Supremacy is a racist ideology which holds that the white race is superior to other races.

Also from Wikipedia:

Black Supremacy vs White Supremacy
In its simplest form, black supremacy is the belief in the inherent superiority of the "black race."

From reference.com, there is the Oath of Supremacy from 1559:

"I, A. B.,56 do utterly testify and declare in my conscience that the Queen's Highness is the only supreme governor of this realm, and of all other her Highness's dominions and countries, as well in all spiritual or ecclesiastical things or causes, as temporal, and that no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority.... etc"

I'm simply saying that supremacy and superiority do have overlap in common usage both past and present. 





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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/21/2006 6:03:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, this is very well put and how I have always thought of Female Supremacy in the context of a D/s or M/s relationship.  I am not one to settle for less than a TPE anyway.
I have tried to explain this before, but it seems to be such a sensitive issue and very subjective.  So I no longer list Female Supremacy as an interest. I tend to get too many of the "I am a pathetic and worhtless worm emails.  (Not that I still don't get those anyway! *Smile*)  I just try to make it clear when I am in discussions with a potential slave.
Thank you for the great definition, and glad to see it is being cross posted to the Village, also.

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RE: Supremacy vs superiority - 5/21/2006 7:33:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My first impulse is to never trust a definition that uses the word being defined in the explanation.

Power exchange is a tremendous dynamic. If it doesn't exist in a constant state of expression and flux that allows for both parties to be satisfied then there is nothing but abuse and manipulation- and not in any way that is constructive. I believe that the terms Supreme and Superior in application to anyone, male or female, have to be initiated by the person subjecting themselves by such an admission to that defaco qualification of a reduced stature. The Alpha position can be forcibly taken, there is no question there -it's been happen throughout human history- and in fact was crucial to social organization, but if it is constantly being challenged and tested then that indicates a lack of resolution that the position is, in fact, recognized, secure and valid. Then again, such a peerless position could not be valid without constant challenge- instersting dichotomy...no?

The use of the willing capitualtion in the words Supreme and Superior indicate a desire for it to be so, culminating in both the person reliquishing and aquiring a certain level of freedom in exchange for protection by one they perceive as being more in control and therefore more able to exert control over the situation. It is not an indicator that the person capitualting is less worthy in a generalized sense, but seeing as how the ideas of  Supreme and Superior exist in that very particular moment, under those very particular circumstances, the philosophical semantics of a person's comparative value are really rendered null and void.

Ask yourself if you would feel inferior to a female who was a drug-addled wretch asking you for change on a street? My guess is that you would answer no- which means that your acceptance of Supremacy/ Superiority is not in fact purely based on gender, but is far more complex and dependent on your perception of the person's capacity to accept the mantle and do it justice as you imagine it should be done.

However...just to factually resolve the issue of female superiority...in Webster's strictest terms...

Women are physiologically superior from the most funtamental genetic root. Female sex characteristics are the preliminary ones developed by the Zygote (it's why men have nipples- they're sexually redundant female characteristics- it's not like you'll ever breast feed, gents) The fact that women carry an XX arrangement of chromosones makes us more resistant to inherited diseases and defects because we have an identical back-up gene to replace the one that is defective, the good X replaces the bad X and we carry on. Men do not. Estrogen keeps us healthier and more infection resistant which is why we have a natural lifespan that extends past the male's by ten years- especially since childbirth complications no longer plague us. With that presented for the consideration of a terse definition of Supremacy then, like it or not, women have it...especially in a society that is becoming more and more dependent on communication and socially sophisitcated networking...

To distill the question...language is subjective...in the moment, in that time and place you can find an affinity with a word that otherwise would never cross your lips. It is both restricted and evolved through use; and that is driven by our need to be understood.

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