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LadyMorgynn -> Etiquette & Protocol (5/20/2006 2:20:12 PM)

Actually, it was Padraig's response in another thread that got me thinking of this.  What kinds of etiquette and protocols do you teach your subs/slaves and hold them to?  What kinds of circumstances have different protocols?  How strict are you about enforcing these, and how well do subs generally respond to learning, remembering and performing them?




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 7:09:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
Actually, it was Padraig's response in another thread that got me thinking of this.  What kinds of etiquette and protocols do you teach your subs/slaves and hold them to?  What kinds of circumstances have different protocols?  How strict are you about enforcing these, and how well do subs generally respond to learning, remembering and performing them?

Nothing different from vanilla, except that when they refer to me as their dominant, they say Maam or Miss Liz. 

Other than that, I don't set up specific other protocols. 




Evlgryn -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 6:33:43 PM)

I have from time to time assigned tasks and protocals. But it is a bone of contention for a slave to keep up with an evening ritual lets say, months after the owner has stopped asking about it.

I don't require my slave to do silly rituals just to show off for other doms at  DS events, at least not often.

But rituals can be an important cue that something exciting is coming. I like to gag a sub early in a scene to let her know the time has come. Or nearly come, sometimes I will make them cook dinner gagged. There is something beautiful about the eyes of a submissive woman, when she is gagged and silent looks are her main route of communication.

At one time I required my subs to use a fleet enema the hours before a meeting, not just because it makes ass play neater, but because hours before she even saw my face, she was contemplating being used, and preparing for her use. Anticipation heightens arousal, and also few things drive home to someone their submissive position more than putting a nozzle up their own bottom just because their dominant "said so". Of course there are some doms who are in favor of driving the nozzle home themselves and then squeezing the bag: but that is another discussion.
 
My slave and I have been together years, and we have developed a few rituals. My favourites and the longest lasting ones are ones that have developed organicly to both our pleasures.

One is I have her stand naked and cuffed in front of me, and I oil her from top to bottom. It has connotations of preparing a slave for auction, and as a power exchange somehow also brings up memories of being little and cared for by the adults in your life. My slave is african american, a lot of kinky photos of black women involve oiled flesh. For us it started as a practical answer to ashy elbows, but it still gives a kinky charge.

The second arrived unbidden when my slave accepted my brand.  From almost the moment that I put the hot branding iron on her brown bottom, I have felt an overwhelming urge to fondle and kiss that particular part of her. In the last year we have developed a ritual of starting  an evening together by having her naked and placing her branded behind for me to look at feel and usually, kiss.  Even a kinky couple often has intrusions the world puts in our way that has to be beaten back before you can get on to the important business of enjoying each other. In nine months it has healed to look like embossed lettering,  raised proud of the other soft surfaces on that smooth part of her and it always pleases me. I hope I never loose the joy I feel in just owning my young slave whenever I see her brand as she kneels before me. So far I can not hold on to any depressions or intruding worries, when that moment occurs. Then the pleasure I feel in owning this obediant and warm young woman, flows naturally into the great pleasures I feel in using her, on  both a physical and emotional level.

This might not be what you had in mind as a ritual, but I think it has elements of all important rituals. , Besides, Wildfleurs posts here also.  Maybe reading this will moisten her in the middle of a dry day. Every once in a while I like to write something to make her gush with pleasure to pay her back for pleasures I have received. Or maybe it is just my dominant nature reaching across the internet to prove I can reach inside her with words as easily as a warm strong finger.

Evlgryn




Evlgryn -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 6:49:11 PM)

Yanno I thought about your question on etiquettes and protocols and answered using an example that names a ritual. In my mind rituals, protocols and etiquettes are all wrapped together. I hope you feel that way.




HoosierScorpio -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 7:08:17 PM)

I have always taught that they are to show respect to other Dominated by addressing them Mama or Sir in a social setting. Their action is a direct reflection upon me the one who is training them. Too many have felt they should not show any on respect because they did not earn it. The truth is you should always be respectful to them until their actions shows they do not deserve it.    




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 7:20:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HoosierScorpio

I have always taught that they are to show respect to other Dominated by addressing them Mama or Sir in a social setting. Their action is a direct reflection upon me the one who is training them. Too many have felt they should not show any on respect because they did not earn it. The truth is you should always be respectful to them until their actions shows they do not deserve it.    

For most of the people actually it's that they don't see a reason to give a SPECIAL respect to someone just because their relationship orientation with someone else is as a dominant.




bandit25 -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 7:21:39 PM)

I have often wondered about that very thing HS.  It's not that I think that one shouldn't be respectful; however, calling someone Sir or Maam means different things to different people.  What I mean is that some subs find it hard to use the term "Master" and, instead, use "Sir".  Calling someone else "Sir" just wouldn't seem right.  Don't you think that respect can be shown in other ways?




SirPhil -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/22/2006 7:51:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Actually, it was Padraig's response in another thread that got me thinking of this.  What kinds of etiquette and protocols do you teach your subs/slaves and hold them to?  What kinds of circumstances have different protocols?  How strict are you about enforcing these, and how well do subs generally respond to learning, remembering and performing them?


I prefer my slaves/subs to address me as Sir. I require strict wake up and bedtimes for my online slaves. In addition require them to keep a journal..  Whenever chat session take place I demand of them that they learn of there position of being powerless of their own mind. 




Focus50 -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/23/2006 3:04:55 AM)

I have a whole bunch of little things I require my girl to learn and I always notice when they're not done properly.
 
How to address me in different situations; how and where to stand when I call her over; where to keep her gaze; how to ask and answer questions in different situations; learning how to dress and groom for me and so forth.
 
I have pet peeves that she especially needs to get right.  Never converse with me while wearing sun-glasses (driving in a car together is ok).  Never address or converse with me with arms folded or hands on hips.  Never leave my side in public without checking etc....
 
Many other protocols are situation specific as well but she only has to learn them as they arise as I don't present her with pages of instructions to learn from the outset.  The ones I specifically mentioned are her main priority when starting out.
 
All my previous girls enjoyed the structure of protocols and especially that they are enforced.

Focus.




candystripper -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/23/2006 6:53:04 AM)

i personally find using the terms "Sir" or "Master" unnatural outside of play....but i suppose i would accomodate Someone to whom this really mattered.  As for rituals, yes, i would hope there would be many, pleasing Him more and more as time went by.
 
candystripper




ADomDoc -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/23/2006 3:14:22 PM)

My sub (or slave) represents me in whatever she says or does.  If she represents me poorly, then she can expect punishment.

She does NOT have to show any obeisance to self-proclaimed Dom/mes ... but I do expect her to be courteous to all & show some deference to generally acclaimed Dom/mes ... and especially to those who I hold in esteem.  My last slave was particularly adept at courteously putting wannabes in their place ... and lots of inexperienced Doms were terrified of her.  (I used to say, "My sub can beat up your Dom."  She sure punctuated the pecking order :-)

I don't hold a high protocol at home ... rather am comfortable w/ informality as long as courtesy is shown. 

But on meeting my last 9yr slave, she kept her eyes averted and didn't actually know what I looked like until we'd been together for 3 weeks.  (Not that she didn't try peeking in mirrors or sneaking peeks all the while).

On a related vein ... the Top Dom in Houston (a respected friend) wanted his subs to look him in the eyes.  He saw my sub at the VA Hospital in her wheelchair & came up to chat ... so she looked down ... so he got down lower ... so she lowered her eyes.  When it was all done ... she was looking down at the floor ... and he was laying on his back looking up at her .. and she was flummoxed because there was nothing she could do about it :-)

I generally only expect a high protocol when entertaining respected Doms & Tops ... on those evenings the subs/slaves will be nude & serve the table ... but they sit on & eat at their places on the floor.  Admittedly, those occasions are becoming increasingly rare since those older, respected Doms are dying off.

My last slave was exceptional at her protocol and could take 20 min of extreme courtesy to spit out a thought that the average person would do in  5 words.   On our first weekend together she did just that ... all to say "Don't forget to take out the trash, honey" When she was done, and when I figured out what the hell she was working up to ... I laughed hard for more than 5 min.  She thought she was in deep, deep shit and sinking.  But I've been batching it for enough of my life, that it didn't matter at all to me ... and considering she was in a wheelchair & couldn't do it ... the request was practical. 

So ... I show my subs/slaves common courtesy & I expect the same in return.  I expect her to show common courtesy to all as my representative.  And there are always exceptions. 

Folks often forget that "Protocol" in BdSm ... and most BdSm relationships are merely a ritualized form of courtesy.  Sometimes elaborate, sometimes simple.  But if we just show each other common courtesy (which isn't so common anymore) ... we will all be better Dom/mes & subs/slaves.

Just my 2 cents worth.

ADomDoc
SanAntonio






Evlgryn -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/23/2006 7:45:35 PM)

For the record, I do like my slave to call me Master, especially in moments of passion. But I don't like other submissives calling me Master, unless I am THEIR Master. On other hand I do enjoy being called Sir, by anyone's submissive. I went to an English  school where I had to call all the teachers "Masters" and address them as "Sir". For whatever reason it seemed to improve the discipline of the school.

Evlgryn




fastlane -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/23/2006 7:48:05 PM)

my protocols are simple....show up.
my ettiquite....is a bit more difficult to understand, especially since I can't spell it?   The bottom line is this....et me and I'll et you and then we'll quit.

et e quit...right?




Wolfie648 -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/23/2006 11:32:40 PM)

"Actually, it was Padraig's response in another thread that got me thinking of this.   (A) What kinds of etiquette and protocols do you teach your subs/slaves and hold them to?  (B) What kinds of circumstances have different protocols?  (C) How strict are you about enforcing these, and how well do subs (D) generally respond to learning, remembering and performing them? "

(A) Whatever I want (I'm an owner not a dom)
(B) All
(C) they get told/instructed nicely 3 times (I'm so sweet!) - then it's game on for punishment. This is a bit of an odd one because it's like C++ programming I expect certain objects (i.e. instructions) to be higher on the heirarchy than other instructions - the art is knowing which ones are higher than the others at which times and under which circumstances - all I can say is experience instructs. Tough road to haul cargo over.
(C.I) Sadly they (and me <gasp>) aren't perfect - sometimes I will contradict other instructions I have given (usually but not always situation dependant), sometimes they didn't sleep well for the last week (which I _swear_ had nothing to do with me :-)  so I might be more forgiving in exacting punishment.
(D) no idea about generally I've only had one slave who lasted more than 3 weeks with me (4 yrs+ now woohoo).

Results may vary.

D (owner of j).




Padriag -> RE: Etiquette & Protocol (5/26/2006 10:38:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Actually, it was Padraig's response in another thread that got me thinking of this.  What kinds of etiquette and protocols do you teach your subs/slaves and hold them to?  What kinds of circumstances have different protocols?  How strict are you about enforcing these, and how well do subs generally respond to learning, remembering and performing them?

Well since I seem to have spawned this, I suppose I ought to reply to it. [;)]

I'm going to start with the the last question first.  I am very strict about the protocols and etiquette I use.  They exist for specific reasons and are one of the training tools I use.  My experience with using them has been that they help in creating the kind of structured environment most submissives tend to thrive in.  How well they learn and remember them depends in large part on how well I do at teaching.  That is, if you throw too much at a slave at one time they will go into overload and fail a lot (which is bad).  But if you break them down into a series of lessons, a "curriculum" if you will, then they do much better.  By shaping thier behavior through a series of manageable steps, I find that any slave can eventually learn even very complex systems of protocols, and successfully remember and perform them.

To answer your second question, what kinds of circumstances have different protocols.  Some simple examples for me would be in public vs in private vs in a kink aware group.  Generally in public I expect them to act like normal, respectable people; in a kink aware they may reveal their submissive nature and their relationship to me; in private... well... that's private. [;)]  There are also different protocols depending on what mode I may have them in.  For example I may train a slave to do domestic chores, when performing those duties they follow a set of protocols.  I might also train that same slave to serve me sexually, when being my "slut" she would have a second set of protocols for that form of service.

So finally coming to your first question, what kinds of protocols do I use.  Protocols, in my book at least, are simply rules of behavior.  Its a formal set of rules, expectations, etc. for how I expect the slave to behave.  This in turn gives the slave a clear understanding of what they need to do in order to please me in a given situation (where specific protocols apply).  Thus as a training tool protocols are useful in teaching desired behaviors, they give the slave a way to be pleasing which is something they desire.




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