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punisher440 -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/23/2011 7:44:07 PM)

You asked for links for Michael J. Gottlieb,I assume you believe everything in the Huffington Post don't you?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/04/white-house-salaries-rele_n_633920.html#s109568&title=David_Axelrod

This is the list for 2010,with Gottlieb making $114,000 in 2010.Fastward to 2011.Do you trust the L.A. Times?
http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/white-house-salaries/

Oh my,there is Michael J making $130,500 inspite of freezes on White House salaries.And yes,same position although the White House says he has additional duties.And I really have to wonder why someone in Toronto has to question why a tax payer that lives in the U.S. might be a little upset that while the rest of the country has pretty much had to tighten their belts,the government[in BOTH parties] seem to think we taxpayers have bottomless pockets.




Lucylastic -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/23/2011 9:47:48 PM)

Helpful Hint of the day number one; dont make assumptions, without a little knowledge to back it up.
thankyou for the links






tazzygirl -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/23/2011 10:02:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

You asked for links for Michael J. Gottlieb,I assume you believe everything in the Huffington Post don't you?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/04/white-house-salaries-rele_n_633920.html#s109568&title=David_Axelrod

This is the list for 2010,with Gottlieb making $114,000 in 2010.Fastward to 2011.Do you trust the L.A. Times?
http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/white-house-salaries/

Oh my,there is Michael J making $130,500 inspite of freezes on White House salaries.And yes,same position although the White House says he has additional duties.And I really have to wonder why someone in Toronto has to question why a tax payer that lives in the U.S. might be a little upset that while the rest of the country has pretty much had to tighten their belts,the government[in BOTH parties] seem to think we taxpayers have bottomless pockets.


At the top of the chart is Matthew Vogel, who received a $59,100 pay increase in 2011 — the largest dollar increase on the list. That was the result of a big promotion. Vogel served as the associate director of communications for economics in 2010. He was promoted to special assistant to the president for economic policy in 2011, with his annual salary increasing from $71,400 to $130,500. Vogel is now receiving the same salary as Peter P. Swire, who held that job in 2010 before leaving to become a law professor at the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University.

Salaries for other "special assistant to the president" titles showed that $130,500 per year has been the standard for the past three years — with no increases for those holding those jobs.

The largest percentage increase went to Kevin Lewis, who saw his salary rise from $42,000 to $78,000 — an 86 percent salary hike. He was promoted from press assistant to director of African-American media at a slightly lower salary than his predecessor. Lewis replaced Corey A. Ealons, who earned $79,560 as the White House director of African-American media in 2010. Ealons left the White House to become a senior vice president at VOX Global, a public affairs and communications firm.

As we said, 19 staffers on the list received promotions in 2011. Of those, 14 were promoted into existing job titles — including Vogel and Lewis — making it easy to compare their salaries with their predecessors. Of the 14, six received the same pay, five received less, and three received more.

What about the other five promotions? Well, it's not possible to make direct salary comparisons in those cases because job titles changed. For example, Jessica Wright went from being deputy director of scheduling for the president in 2010 to deputy assistant to the president and director of scheduling in 2011 — a clear promotion from deputy director to director. But her current job title didn't exist in 2010 exactly as it is now.

There were two notable exceptions: Heather Zichal and Andrea Turk, both of whom received big raises with no change in title.

Heather Zichal has served as the deputy assistant to the president for energy and climate change since 2009. In 2009 and 2010, her annual salary was $100,000. In 2011, her salary jumped 40 percent to $140,000 per year. Andrea Turk served as the director of information services, starting in 2010. Her salary went up 40 percent from $50,000 to $70,000 per year in 2011, even though her title remained the same.

Upon taking office, Obama imposed a salary freeze — which is still in effect — for White House staffers earning more than $100,000. Turk was earning less than $100,000, and Zichal was at (not above) $100,000. So technically, even Zichal's pay raise didn't violate Obama's promise.

White House spokesman Eric Schultz explained the White House salary increases this way to Gawker:
Schultz, July 6: Pay increases were given for a variety of reasons, ranging from promotions to additional work responsibilities.
We asked Schultz specifically about Zichal and Turk, and he did not go much beyond his response to Gawker. "In both instances, because of restructuring, both staffers assumed additional work responsibilities," he told us. Zichal's job title did not change, but she took over the responsibilities of her former boss, Carol Browner, who had been the assistant to the president for energy and climate change. Browner was not replaced and Politico wrote a profile of Zichal in April that said she "took over the energy and climate portfolio this year from Carol Browner." Browner earned $172,200 in 2010.

The bottom line, however, is that White House salaries — both overall and on average — decreased this year.
Our analysis of the White House data shows that 466 paid staffers received a total of $38.8 million in salaries in 2010, an average of $83,254. In 2011, 451 paid employees received a total of $37.1 million for an average of $82,309. (In both years, there were three unpaid staffers listed in the annual report to Congress.)

Below is our chart of the White House staffers who appeared in Gawker's top 20 list. We included job titles along with their salary increases, so you can see that in nearly all cases the salary increase came with a new job title. The two staffers whose titles did not change are in bold.

http://factcheck.org/2011/08/top-20-white-house-raises/

So, they restructured, gave additional responsibilities to some people, gave raises to those below $100,000, as per the raise freeze, and spent less in 2011 than he did in 2010 for the staff....

and yet you still complain?




HannahLynHeather -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/23/2011 10:49:26 PM)

justify it to who? to you? they don't fucking work for you.




punisher440 -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 7:25:37 AM)

Since my tax dollars get taken out of my check every week,I have to assume that my tax dollars are being used to pay their salaries among other things.And if my tax dollars are used to pay them,then yes they are in a very real sense working for me.The real problem is NO ONE in Washington is working for the average American,I do not care if they call themselves liberals or conservatives,Democrats or Republicans.The government has long since forgotten the average American and what it is like to live like most Americans do.




tazzygirl -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 9:13:49 AM)

Yet no response to the answer you demanded.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 9:56:34 AM)

your tax dollar may pay their fucking salary, but that isn't where they get most of their money, now is it?
follow the money, find the master.




Steponme73 -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 11:18:47 AM)

Obama believes in us sacrificing but not his people...typical for him! He spends billions, trillions and we have 10% unemployment, or there abouts.




punisher440 -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 1:48:38 PM)

I will admit a jump from deputy Director to Director is a reason for a raise,but please tell me the difference between a Special Assistant and a Deputy Assistant.This sounds like calling a garbageman a Sanitation Engineer,sounds better but still the same thing.What I am saying is I do not care which party is controlling the White House and Capital Hill,the government needs to live within their means,i.e. do not spend more than you take in.And before you go jumping and assuming I am a big bad Republican,I have been a registered Democrat since I started voting.But do I vote along party lines? No,I vote for who I think is the best we have to choose from...and we have had some extremely poor choices to pick from in the last several elections.I am starting to think we should just put every natural born Americans name in a giant drum and randomly draw a name to be our President,we would be better off,do the same thing for the House and Senate.That way we would at least be assured that no one had bought them before they were even in office.




EternalHoH -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 2:03:03 PM)


All this a hootin' and a hollarin' over 5 figure govt salaries in this country?   Some of you people need to get out more and experience more of the world.

BTW, you are paying these salaries of the greedy folks in Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong and the like every time you go to Walmart and buy cheap shit.  I don't hear any hootin' and hollarin' over ones own actions tho.....


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tazzygirl -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 2:04:13 PM)

I see jobs cut on the staff. 466 in 2010 to 451 in 2011.  Dont you?

I see some raises, all within the agreement.  Dont you?

I see a savings of 1.7 million from 2010 to 2011.  Dont you?

And, yes, Im a registered Democrat too.  Nor do I vote party lines.

But I do look at facts. 

You asked for a justification of those staffers salaries. 

Factcheck gave a damn good one.




Lucylastic -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 2:15:04 PM)

OH I had forgotton all about this ,, thankyou Tazzy...
to the OP
The point is, and was for me, that the total bill was reduced by a million bucks, and that in any other country, any other private job, a promotion is a jump in wages and responsibility and job description. Not a wage increase just for the hell of it.
My point was.... the facts, that you were trying to pass off were severely WRONG you were shown that and you have backpeddalled without admitting you were wrong, and giving out BAD information.
by the way? you dont get to line by line veto how the govmnt spend your money
you never were and you never will be, any more than I am.
I dont have to be american to dislike lies and misinformation when facts are out there.





Lucylastic -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 2:18:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EternalHoH


All this a hootin' and a hollarin' over 5 figure govt salaries in this country?   Some of you people need to get out more and experience more of the world.

BTW, you are paying these salaries of the greedy folks in Singapore, Indonesia, Hong Kong and the like every time you go to Walmart and buy cheap shit.  I don't hear any hootin' and hollarin' over ones own actions tho.....


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of course not, they cant blame Obama for other countries!!! unless its a Muslim country




punisher440 -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 5:46:11 PM)

Since you and Lucy do not seem to understand why I am wondering why these pay hikes and bragging on the wonderous savings we are getting out of the White House on the 2011 staffer salaries,take a look at this link.
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-salaries-trend-upward-223442959.html
quote:

In Bush’s 2008 White House salary report, the lowest-paid of 447 staffers struggled home with S33,400 per year. There were two of them, but there was also another 100 people paid less than $40,000, out of total payroll of $33,193,021.


quote:

The 2011 White House salary report is out, and it shows that 141 people are paid more than $100,000 a year in President Barack Obama’s White House. Another 201 people on the staff of 454 are paid more than between $100,000 and $50,000.

That’s a jump from the last year of President George W. Bush’s tenure, when 130 people were paid more than $100,000, and 137 people were paid between $50,000 and $100,000.


Even less was spent on White Staff during the previous administration than on this one,and I STILL think we got ripped off on the previous one.But in the end,33 million is less than 37 million and it is these little differences that keep on adding and adding to the U.S. debt.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 5:48:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: punisher440

I was just wondering how many of you out there have received raises like these in the last year? I realize some may have been bumped up a position higher but look at the % hikes.And exactly why do we need a Director of African-American media? Do they have one for Whites,Hispanics or Asians? I also wonder did the Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy advise the President that it might not be a good idea to raise his salary 83% in these economic times.

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It's a little less than I got....but for govt. employees...I'd say it's a stretch.




Lucylastic -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 6:01:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: punisher440

Since you and Lucy do not seem to understand why I am wondering why these pay hikes and bragging on the wonderous savings we are getting out of the White House on the 2011 staffer salaries,take a look at this link.
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-salaries-trend-upward-223442959.html
quote:

In Bush’s 2008 White House salary report, the lowest-paid of 447 staffers struggled home with S33,400 per year. There were two of them, but there was also another 100 people paid less than $40,000, out of total payroll of $33,193,021.


quote:

The 2011 White House salary report is out, and it shows that 141 people are paid more than $100,000 a year in President Barack Obama’s White House. Another 201 people on the staff of 454 are paid more than between $100,000 and $50,000.

That’s a jump from the last year of President George W. Bush’s tenure, when 130 people were paid more than $100,000, and 137 people were paid between $50,000 and $100,000.


Even less was spent on White Staff during the previous administration than on this one,and I STILL think we got ripped off on the previous one.But in the end,33 million is less than 37 million and it is these little differences that keep on adding and adding to the U.S. debt.



Then maybe you should have used that as your "argument" in the beginning, but you didnt.
Your opinion is fine but your opinion doesnt trump the facts.




tazzygirl -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 6:06:01 PM)

quote:



Since you and Lucy do not seem to understand why I am wondering why these pay hikes and bragging on the wonderous savings we are getting out of the White House on the 2011 staffer salaries,take a look at this link.

The 2011 White House salary report is out, and it shows that 141 people are paid more than $100,000 a year in President Barack Obama’s White House. Another 201 people on the staff of 454 are paid more than between $100,000 and $50,000.

That’s a jump from the last year of President George W. Bush’s tenure, when 130 people were paid more than $100,000, and 137 people were paid between $50,000 and $100,000.


Uh huh.

And you dont seem to understand increased job responsibilities, job cuts within the staff, and the decreased in the total budget.

2009 salaries....

Among the actual employees, 122 staffers earn more than $100,000 annually, compared to 125 employees in the final year of the Bush administration. Twenty-two Obama White House staffers make the top possible salary of $172,200, compared to 18 employees who made that amount in the Bush White House.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/01/white-house-releases-staff-salary-list/

I am really struggling to figure out your complaint here.

The total spending on salaries is determined by Congress, which has to approve the annual White House budget. In 2007, President Bush requested a total of $51.9 million for White House office salaries. (That's for the core of 500 or so staffers.) The numbers creep up every year. In 2003, the maximum pay for assistants was $151,000. Since then, it has increased between 1.7 percent and 4 percent annually. In 2008, it reached $172,000 and remains there, since Obama declared a pay freeze for anyone making more than $100,000.

http://www.slate.com/id/2222146/

Im not blaming Bush.  He paid for his staff.  Towards the end of an administration, its expected the talent and high salaries would leave.




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 6:14:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

not to your madness apparently


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punisher440 -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 6:17:12 PM)

What opinion? That there are even more staffers in the White House now even after they cut back from 2010 levels than in the previous administration and they still spent around 4 million more for them.Fact,454 is more than 447 and 37.1 million is more than 33.1 million...simple addition is not opinion,it is fact.




tazzygirl -> RE: In these times,how can the White House justify this? (8/24/2011 6:21:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: punisher440

What opinion? That there are even more staffers in the White House now even after they cut back from 2010 levels than in the previous administration and they still spent around 4 million more for them.Fact,454 is more than 447 and 37.1 million is more than 33.1 million...simple addition is not opinion,it is fact.


May want to check the 2007 staff budget.




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