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HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/23/2011 7:56:19 PM)

And paragraphs!! Don't forget to include paragraphs!

<I know it was mentioned, but I thought it was worth emphasizing>




seekingreality -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/23/2011 11:41:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

I have to disagree with this.  It may seem counter-intuitive, but the more details you give, the more real your scene will be for the reader.  The goal is to be specific, but not overload the reader.  If I write "a car went by" that doesn't set a scene.  It's vague and relies on the reader to supply the details.  However, readers don't like this.  They want to be put into the scene through active verbs and sensory details beyond sight.  If I write "a rusty yellow Pinto chugged down the street enveloped in a cloud of acrid fumes" it's much more evocative. 


I'd say it's inbetween. You want to pick the tight details. Too few, it's sketchy. Too many, readers get bored by irrelevancies. That is the art of writing. Sometimes "a car went by" is right, and sometimes it's wrong. For instance, maybe the scene is about two people having a heated argument, and a car goes by -- but you don't want the details of the car -- because the two people in the scene are too wrapped up in themselves to notice the details.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 12:50:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingreality

That is the art of writing. Sometimes "a car went by" is right, and sometimes it's wrong. For instance, maybe the scene is about two people having a heated argument, and a car goes by -- but you don't want the details of the car -- because the two people in the scene are too wrapped up in themselves to notice the details.


If the car is irrelevant then it shouldn't be mentioned at all.  If it doesn't move the story forward or give information about the characters, cut it.  If one of the characters turns and looks at the car, then you describe as many details about the car as necessary to drive whatever plot point or character development you're trying to illustrate.  It's just as bad to overload the reader with details as it is to use too few, which is what I said earlier.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 3:35:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

If it doesn't move the story forward or give information about the characters, cut it. 


What about setting or mood? If you want to drive home the idea that two people are in public, particularly if you're emphasizing the tension of a private interaction happening in a public space in view of other people, a car going by could be just perfect. It's not all character and plot.

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DeviantlyD -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 3:49:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

And I think that some detail works, but not a lot of it.  In a sketch - a simple drawing - you can convey a feeling and a mood very easily, with just a few lines.  I think the same can be done with writing.  That way, the reader is free to imagine what he or she wants to imagine.  For instance, don't mention his or her hair-colour - that way  the reader can 'see' the hair-colour of his/her choice. 

And when you do details, add some tiny little thing, that may not even seem relevant.  Like: a clock on the mantelpiece.  It just helps things seem more real.


I have to disagree with this.  It may seem counter-intuitive, but the more details you give, the more real your scene will be for the reader.  The goal is to be specific, but not overload the reader.  If I write "a car went by" that doesn't set a scene.  It's vague and relies on the reader to supply the details.  However, readers don't like this.  They want to be put into the scene through active verbs and sensory details beyond sight.  If I write "a rusty yellow Pinto chugged down the street enveloped in a cloud of acrid fumes" it's much more evocative. 
 
Likewise, if I were to rewrite the opening line of this vignette as "She lounged on the bed, wearing nothing but his favorite butter-yellow camisole.  The color brought out the warm undertones of her skin and highlighted the golden flecks in her hazel eyes" it sets the scene and gives an idea of what the woman looks like without going overboard.  Also, never include irrelevant details because you'll lose track of them and create inconsistencies in the story.  If there's a clock on the wall at the opening, it should be important to the story or you should come back to it again later as a wrap up.  For example, the scene that seems to go on forever might only last thirty minutes.  The clock is a tangible element that grounds the reader in the scene.


Please...continue. :)




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 9:05:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

What about setting or mood? If you want to drive home the idea that two people are in public, particularly if you're emphasizing the tension of a private interaction happening in a public space in view of other people, a car going by could be just perfect. It's not all character and plot.


It's not necessary to give irrelevant details to accomplish those things.  It's where the writer places focus that matters.  If the focus is on the car going by instead of the scene that's taking place, then it serves no purpose and weakens the story.  If the writer can weave a car going by into the action in a way that moves the story forward (Ex. "Joe counted the cars going by until he could control his temper.") then fine.  Otherwise, it's more likely to drag down the pacing.  Cut it; it can go back in later if it needs to be there but chances are no one will miss it. 




SthrnCom4t -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 1:20:35 PM)

Sylvere - I really appreciate you taking the time to share your viewpoints :)




VaguelyCurious -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 1:29:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

What about setting or mood? If you want to drive home the idea that two people are in public, particularly if you're emphasizing the tension of a private interaction happening in a public space in view of other people, a car going by could be just perfect. It's not all character and plot.


It's not necessary to give irrelevant details to accomplish those things.  It's where the writer places focus that matters.  If the focus is on the car going by instead of the scene that's taking place, then it serves no purpose and weakens the story.  If the writer can weave a car going by into the action in a way that moves the story forward (Ex. "Joe counted the cars going by until he could control his temper.") then fine.  Otherwise, it's more likely to drag down the pacing.  Cut it; it can go back in later if it needs to be there but chances are no one will miss it. 


I think I didn't make myself clear there - sorry about that. What I meant was that if you're using it as a point of setting then all it has to do is 'go by'; it doesn't have to chug past in a cloud of acrid smoke or whatever because it's not the car itself that matters, it's the idea of the people in it who might look out.




PeonForHer -> RE: Would love feedback on a story, scene, that i wrote today. (8/24/2011 3:42:36 PM)

FR

I think that this question of 'extraneous details' is quite subtle and there are a lot of variables involved.  I do recall reading a lot of details in sex stories - about the sex itself.  The sight of this, the smell of that, the taste of something else.  Hoh yes, the more detail on all that, the better.  As for 'extraneous' detail:  well, certain details simply paint the scene, others do somewhat more.  They work as visual metaphors.  Have a couple meet on a windswept bridge, and there's a little element of danger.  Danger has erotic appeal.  Likewise fires.  His car doesn't purr, it growls.  All that stuff, I suppose.

Mind you, the last time I tried to write a porn story, I got bored of it.  It was shyte.  So my comments on this matter are no doubt eminently ignorable.  Sylv knows her stuff - and also check Ferns's website, link for DommeChronicles, as below. 






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