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DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 7:28:22 PM   
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Some of us just knew the story didnt ring true.  Others were labelled misogynists for even doubting

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-Charges-Dropped-Motion.html



Stroll on down memory lane for a refresher on who said what when it broke.  Sort of a "who is the asshole now" moment.

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 7:56:07 PM   
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And OJ was innocent and looking for the real killer.



I wonder how much money changed hands.

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 8:02:37 PM   
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Yes. I know exactly how you feel EternalHOH.

In a more perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary to mention 'apology' - apologies would be offered automatically by those who jumped to the wrong conclusions (usually to try to make some cheap political capital out of this unfortunate series of events). I'm not holding my breathe ......

Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Right wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Right wing ideologies and basic human decency.

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 8:25:41 PM   
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Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Left wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Left wing ideologies and basic human decency.


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 8:31:05 PM   
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Her lawyer on Monday separately filed a motion to disqualify the Manhattan DA's office from handling the case, asking that a special prosecutor be appointed. He argued that the DA has "sabotaged" the prosecution, leaked false statements about the maid to the press and subjected her "to verbal abuse and outright disrespect."

His motion quotes a prosecutor telling the maid's attorney in June that "no one with half a brain would ever put her on the stand," and alleges a member of the prosecution team "repeatedly screamed at and outright disrespected her."

"In short, the DA has demonstrated clear bias and prejudice and this court respectfully should appoint a special prosecutor to restore the confidence in prosecution of this matter," the motion says.


And NONE of that bothers anyone?

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 9:03:39 PM   
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Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Right wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Right wing ideologies and basic human decency.



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Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Left wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Left wing ideologies and basic human decency.




Ummmm, sorry but...........

How is this a left/right thing?



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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 9:06:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59


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Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Left wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Left wing ideologies and basic human decency.




Ummmm, sorry but...........

How is this a left/right thing?




Ummm look up one post.


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 9:06:47 PM   
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Her lawyer on Monday separately filed a motion to disqualify the Manhattan DA's office from handling the case, asking that a special prosecutor be appointed. He argued that the DA has "sabotaged" the prosecution, leaked false statements about the maid to the press and subjected her "to verbal abuse and outright disrespect."

His motion quotes a prosecutor telling the maid's attorney in June that "no one with half a brain would ever put her on the stand," and alleges a member of the prosecution team "repeatedly screamed at and outright disrespected her."

"In short, the DA has demonstrated clear bias and prejudice and this court respectfully should appoint a special prosecutor to restore the confidence in prosecution of this matter," the motion says.


And NONE of that bothers anyone?


No, what a defense lawyer says doesnt really bother me. There was no physical evidence consistent with a rape, so its he says she says, and shes a proven liar. They arent going to prosecute a case they have little hope of winning.

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 9:11:49 PM   
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Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Right wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Right wing ideologies and basic human decency.



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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Those who were stupid enough to jump to the wrong conclusion might reflect upon how events have turned out, and ponder the extent to which their political judgement has been warped by the (usually Left wing) ideologies that determine their opinions for them. This is surely another piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain of evidence demonstrating the tensions and conflicts between Left wing ideologies and basic human decency.




Ummmm, sorry but...........

How is this a left/right thing?




That's what I'd like to know but I found that post so ridiculous I just couldn't resist.


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/23/2011 9:23:06 PM   
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My 2 cents.

This was about humans fucking up.

It`s very possible this guy did the crime but the way the victim acted and what she said made her story less believable.

She didn`t do what most victims would do but that doesn`t mean it didn`t happen.Just 20 times harder to prove.

The police did the best they could with what they had but they are humans and can`t do the impossible.

It`s also possible the DSK guy didn`t do anything,or that consensual sex may have happened and she then made up story.

I tend to believe her but I don`t know.This DSK has had sexual problems in the past and my guess is he will again.



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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 4:05:12 AM   
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I would just like to know if Steve is still so proud of the obviously superior US justice system?
But you did never come back to the thread you started about it, once people started formulated different opinions, did you?


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 4:39:39 AM   
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I would just like to know if Steve is still so proud of the obviously superior US justice system?
But you did never come back to the thread you started about it, once people started formulated different opinions, did you?



Well, I've rethought things.

We still don't know what happened.  The truth is that the prosecution dropped the case because they thought it couldn't be won, not because DSK is innocent or guilty.  It IS true that our justice system will prosecute even the high and mighty, more so than the European system.  Whether we have too trigger-happy a system, or the European system is too slow to act...


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 6:26:50 AM   
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I would just like to know if Steve is still so proud of the obviously superior US justice system?
But you did never come back to the thread you started about it, once people started formulated different opinions, did you?

Well, I've rethought things.

We still don't know what happened.  The truth is that the prosecution dropped the case because they thought it couldn't be won, not because DSK is innocent or guilty.  It IS true that our justice system will prosecute even the high and mighty, more so than the European system.  Whether we have too trigger-happy a system, or the European system is too slow to act...

We still don't know what happened but it is very possible Diallo was inventing things due to inconsistencies. In France some believed it was an effort to discredit him due to the prospect that he was running for the presidency. What I found unpleasant was the failure to accept that he was innocent until proven guilty and a lot of feminists (Luvmuffin: on the left) used it as political capitol: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/dsk-case-gross-injustice-used-as-vehicle-to-paint-men-as-predators/story-e6frg6ux-1226119945413

DS, unrelated to DSK , I can't see it as a mattter of US justice vs. European. Legal systems developed in different ways in sovereign nations around Europe for hundreds of years. There is some broad leglislation that applies across the EU but little of it applies to serious crimes except some instances of European wide issues. I think the real problem is the loss of DSK as head of the IMF, contributing to more market uncertainty. The IMF in Ireland were actually far more generous than their supposed EU buddies, partly due to DSK.


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 6:49:30 AM   
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Oddly,there are many in France whov`e become fed up with men treating woman badly,because of this very case.

Not that anyone knew who was and wasn`t guilty,but because of the bad way some leaders and the media handled it.

There were a lot of folks who wanted to just forget her and many in France who wanted to attack the victim,way before anyone knew any of the details.

This jumping the gun pissed off a lot of French women and some men and will continue to be a subject of discussion far beyond the DSK case.



http://www.thedailyfemme.com/femme/2011/06/laffaire-dsk-strauss-kahn-case-encourages-french-women-to-speak-up/


A similar thing happened here after the Thomas/Hill circus.

The way Hill was treated was completely awful.

At the time,my then wife was being pressured for sex by her diner-owner-boss.At one point I had to tell him myself to cool out.

Not long after she was fired,..... for being late.She was never late to work a day in her life.

Because he was owner and her boss and sexual harasser who couldn`t control himself,she got fired.

The whole thing devistated my ex.She was a victim on many levels.

Men!!








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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 7:06:59 AM   
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And OJ was innocent and looking for the real killer.




Really, its okay.

The prosecutor was two sentences into his press conference when the earthquake hit.  So mother nature stole DSK's "I'm innocent" news cycle.  Chalk it up to karma if you want.




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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 7:54:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra
I would just like to know if Steve is still so proud of the obviously superior US justice system?
But you did never come back to the thread you started about it, once people started formulated different opinions, did you?

Well, I've rethought things.

We still don't know what happened.  The truth is that the prosecution dropped the case because they thought it couldn't be won, not because DSK is innocent or guilty.  It IS true that our justice system will prosecute even the high and mighty, more so than the European system.  Whether we have too trigger-happy a system, or the European system is too slow to act...

We still don't know what happened but it is very possible Diallo was inventing things due to inconsistencies. In France some believed it was an effort to discredit him due to the prospect that he was running for the presidency. What I found unpleasant was the failure to accept that he was innocent until proven guilty and a lot of feminists (Luvmuffin: on the left) used it as political capitol: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/dsk-case-gross-injustice-used-as-vehicle-to-paint-men-as-predators/story-e6frg6ux-1226119945413

DS, unrelated to DSK , I can't see it as a mattter of US justice vs. European. Legal systems developed in different ways in sovereign nations around Europe for hundreds of years. There is some broad leglislation that applies across the EU but little of it applies to serious crimes except some instances of European wide issues. I think the real problem is the loss of DSK as head of the IMF, contributing to more market uncertainty. The IMF in Ireland were actually far more generous than their supposed EU buddies, partly due to DSK.




You need to read posts 3 and 4.  I was being sarcastic to post 3 and I simply repeated part of it changing the word "Right" to "Left".

I'm not on the left, I'm on the right.  I'm not a feminist, and I'm not a woman. I'm a lesbian in a mans body.


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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 12:03:11 PM   
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You need to read posts 3 and 4. I simply repeated part of it changing the word "Right" to "Left".

I understood that but my point was that there was merit in saying that some on the left rushed to judgement.

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I'm not on the left, I'm on the right.  I'm not a feminist, and I'm not a woman. I'm a lesbian in a mans body.

I got the impression you were likely to be more right than left. You and Eddie Izzard have something in common.

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 12:29:48 PM   
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Oddly,there are many in France whov`e become fed up with men treating woman badly,because of this very case.

Not that anyone knew who was and wasn`t guilty,but because of the bad way some leaders and the media handled it.

There were a lot of folks who wanted to just forget her and many in France who wanted to attack the victim,way before anyone knew any of the details.

This jumping the gun pissed off a lot of French women and some men and will continue to be a subject of discussion far beyond the DSK case.

I don't doubt that some saw it as a conspiracy but then like a lot of relatively big countries France has a lot of political divergence. Quite honestly I'm surprised at how France has been portrayed in the "Meja" over DSK. French women are not known as being shrinking violets, quite the opposite - they are seen as particularly independent. Its not a definitive proof but as a cultural indicator French women are portrayed in French cinema in this way strongly. France is seen as one of the most liberal countries in Europe, conscious of the rights of minorities etc. It was the driving force of radical philosophies (including feminism) that inspired a lot of liberal ideology today so I find this stuff about France a bit strange.

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 12:48:34 PM   
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Some of us just knew the story didnt ring true.  Others were labelled misogynists for even doubting

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-Charges-Dropped-Motion.html



Stroll on down memory lane for a refresher on who said what when it broke.  Sort of a "who is the asshole now" moment.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3676777/tm.htm#3681358


My favorite part of the old thread is the one person that basically said "he's gotta be guilty cause he's a socialist"

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RE: DSK charges dropped - 8/24/2011 1:10:36 PM   
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Her lawyer on Monday separately filed a motion to disqualify the Manhattan DA's office from handling the case, asking that a special prosecutor be appointed. He argued that the DA has "sabotaged" the prosecution, leaked false statements about the maid to the press and subjected her "to verbal abuse and outright disrespect."

His motion quotes a prosecutor telling the maid's attorney in June that "no one with half a brain would ever put her on the stand," and alleges a member of the prosecution team "repeatedly screamed at and outright disrespected her."

"In short, the DA has demonstrated clear bias and prejudice and this court respectfully should appoint a special prosecutor to restore the confidence in prosecution of this matter," the motion says.


And NONE of that bothers anyone?


No, what a defense lawyer says doesnt really bother me. There was no physical evidence consistent with a rape, so its he says she says, and shes a proven liar. They arent going to prosecute a case they have little hope of winning.


Well maybe I read this wrong, but I thought that DA stood for District Attorney, they guy that would be doing the prosecution.

I still think that money changed hands someplace.

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