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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 10:51:51 AM   
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Which was directly caused by Dear Leader & Co

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/barone/2008/10/06/democrats-were-wrong-on-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx1N6BoAT58

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This all started with the banking and motgage crisis during Bush's presidency.

So stop with the Dear Leader bullshit.


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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 10:56:55 AM   
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and the exact % decline in your graph is?

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 11:41:01 AM   
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He was going to buy a 400k house in Henderson NV.  Today same house is 200k. 




And it is almost time to buy there. Disgusting weather in Fl. I couldnt take it.

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 12:55:32 PM   
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Which was directly caused by Dear Leader & Co



More like Clinton & Summers & Rubin & Greenspan & Co.

By the time Bush was elected, the scheme was in place and Bush & Co were completely behind the curve, either in avoiding it, preparing for fallout, or responding to it.

(psssst - Dear Leader came AFTER the carnage, for the timeline-challenged among us).

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 1:26:26 PM   
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Illinois most likely is not done raising taxes. Illinois is the most in debt state in the US, once you subtract assets held by the state, as in Raw debt minus every single dime minus sell value of property minus anything everything.

So, while at this moment taxes in this state are not as high as others, we are still in an absolutely horrible financial position, and this state does not believe in state employees sharing in the burden, at least history would indicate as much, so most expect more taxes, or fees, or whanot.

Yeah, Illinois is a joke, I HATE THIS STATE, and yes I want to eventually leave, and take my income with me.

Anyway, it's all a big joke, ILLINOIS is literally fucked hard. If I was a business thinking about coming to Illinois, there is no way. Why?, they will be raising taxes again.

We are rated the worst state to retire to. We are the most in debt state in the country. LOL.

Here's a link to our area hick radio stations website with the article, though the article is sourced from a "more" legit source.
http://www.wjbdradio.com/index.php?f=news_single&id=28259

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 2:00:45 PM   
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Psst - Dear Leader voted against regulation of Fannie and Freddie as a Senator

Try clicking on the fun and educational links I provided for your first freaking clue


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More like Clinton & Summers & Rubin & Greenspan & Co.

By the time Bush was elected, the scheme was in place and Bush & Co were completely behind the curve, either in avoiding it, preparing for fallout, or responding to it.

(psssst - Dear Leader came AFTER the carnage, for the timeline-challenged among us).



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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:25:01 PM   
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Psst - Dear Leader voted against regulation of Fannie and Freddie as a Senator




Okay, 2 things.

First -

He was one vote, in a process that requires 100. So yea, go ahead like an average educated Idahoan and lay that outcome all on Dear Leader's lap.


Second -

Let me buy you a copy of the book "Financial Crisis of 2008 for DUMMIES"

Fannie & Freddie (and other private banks) only created the mortgages and sold them to investment banks. That is where their role in the financial crisis of 2008 ends. It doesn't go beyond that.  They were all encouraged to make these loans, with the blessing of Greenspan. Remember that Greenspan was ideologically against regulation, even though he held the most critical regulatory job on this earth, the job of regulating the US money supply.  Such a conflicting combination of responsibilities vs. ideology resulted in his money printing presses running on overtime, printing up the cash needed to lend to the liars.

Once the loans were in Wall Street's hands, then all kinds of wild shit happened, wild shit that was 100% detached from the action or motives of Fannie & Freddie.  The investment banks bribed the ratings agencies to certify mortgage junk as AAA rated instruments, which allowed them to sell this junk to pension plans and mutual funds.  When they sold the actual mortgage securities to investors, they also sold "insurance" on the investment - an unregulated form of insurance called a Credit Default Swap.  Normal insurance in heavily regulated, and one of those regulations require adequate capital be held in reserve for the proverbial rainy day.  But credit default swaps were an unregulated form of insurance, and rather than maintaining adequate cash reserves, Wall Street blew all that money they made selling the swaps on themselves, in the form of bonuses.

So when the liars started defaulting on mortgages, the securities sold as investments rotted, and investors now reached for their insurance policies.  When the investors came to collect on the insurance, they found that the people who sold them the insurance had no assets backing the paper.  And that is what imploded the investment banks and AIG.  Your TARP dollars only dealt with the swaps part of the crisis. The right of insurance claimants who were waiting to get paid were the actual "toxic assets" that your tax dollars purchased for pennies on the dollar. The most expensive component in the financial crisis, and the element that almost blew up the global financial system, was related to the unregulated insurance, and not the actual liars mortgages or real estate involved.

The mortgage mess was a weather-able storm by its own.  The insurance mess, which contained all the side bets, was not, and is what drove the need for the bailouts.



The party of doom could have been stopped at a number of steps along the way -

1- Greenspan could have shut down the printing press, drying up the source of loan money, but he did not.

2- The ratings agencies could have grown a conscience, returned the payola, and tightened their standards, but they did not.

3- Fannie & Freddie could have had their wings clipped legislatively, but were not.

4- The homebuyer could have grown a brain, and realized the roof over their head should not be used as an investment vehicle, but they did not.

5- All forms of unregulated insurance could have been outlawed, but it was not.

6- The unregulated insurance proceeds could have been kept in reserve rather than blown on Wall Street bonuses, but it was not.


Your links only focus upon #3, as if #3 is what drove the entire profit-making bus.  It did not.  So I don't know why you think educational salvation lies behind door #3 only. Care to explain your queer stance in Idahoeese?

Conservative media often focuses on #3 and #4, but acts as if #1, #2, #5 and #6 don't exist.  So much for 'fair and balanced'.... lol

The entire episode was a financial deregulation ORGY that began under the Big R (yes, your hero), containing participation from both sides of the aisle.  And you being critical of not regulating Fannie & Freddie? Anybody who voted to regulate anything during that time would have been exiled to the moon.

Along with the dire calls to regulate Fannie & Freddie that give all of us such a patriotic hard-on, where were the right wing calls to regulate the unregulated insurance? Or the bonuses? Or the ratings agencies? Or to oust Greenspan for not doing his job as a regulator? 






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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:32:17 PM   
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Thanks for the bullshit, lies and spin.

From the link I posted above, the reality:

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Seventeen. That's how many times, according to this White House statement (hat tip Gateway Pundit), that the Bush administration has called for tighter regulation of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress has cooperated only once. In spring 2007, as House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank likes to point out, the House did pass a bill in response. The Senate did not act until 2008; Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd spent most of 2007 camped out in Iowa running for president. The legislation passed by Congress in 2008 enabled Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to put Fannie and Freddie into federal conservatorship this summer when they failed. But it didn't prevent them from spewing a huge amount of toxic waste, in the form of subprime and Alt-A mortgages, into our financial institutions from 2004 to 2007. As Stephen Spruiell points out in The Corner on National Review Online, Fannie and Freddie spewed out $1 trillion worth (face value) of subprime mortgages between 2005 and 2007. That's a whole lot of toxic waste. For more detail, consult the items referred to in my previous blogpost on this subject (most of the comments seem to have been disputes about the plot line of the movie It's a Wonderful Life, which I should think could be settled by consulting a reference work).

Much if not all of that could have been prevented by a bill cosponsored by John McCain and supported by all the Republicans and opposed by all the Democrats in the Senate Banking Committee in 2005. That bill, which the Democrats stopped from passing, would have prohibited the GSEs from speculating on the mortgage-based securities they packaged. The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation.



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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:35:11 PM   
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Oh, I see then that only when it was a democratically controlled house, did a bill to control the out of fucking whack lending policies get passed. 16 times defeated by republicans.

Got it.

Was there any other situations where republicans are caught actively and willfully destroying this economy (there are countless I am sure) that you would like point out for us Tommie?

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:37:05 PM   
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EOH..its like putting lipstick on a pig.... cept this one has no lips

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:41:12 PM   
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That bill, which the Democrats stopped from passing, would have prohibited the GSEs from speculating on the mortgage-based securities they packaged. The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation.



Absolutely, they participated in the speculation as a casino visitor.  But they didn't run the casino, you dingbat.  Wall Street did.   Take note of that.  These execs plunked down their wagers in someone else's casino.

Raines, Mozillo and others were gambling in the casino just like everybody else on Wall Street was, leading to their spectacular pay and bonuses, too.  But they didn't build and run the casino, asshole.  The private sector did that.





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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:44:26 PM   
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Let me buy you a copy of the book "Financial Crisis of 2008 for DUMMIES"

Fannie & Freddie (and other private banks) only created the mortgages and sold them to investment banks. That is where their role in the financial crisis of 2008 ends. It doesn't go beyond that. 



You need a new book. That isnt even close to where their role ends. Their underwriting standards governed whether or not the loans could be made in the first place. They were also a huge customer for subprime mortgage pools. Tell Greenspan thats where their role ends:

"If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''

Alan Greenspan, 2005


And a little more history:

"A serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.





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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:44:30 PM   
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The Dims made it their duty to give loans to those who couldnt afford it, even when things were obviously going to hell and alarm bells were ringing the Dims stubbornly and stupidly refused to throw a little water on the fire

Thanks Barack for your vote against regulation

Thanks for the current economy, its all urine

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That bill, which the Democrats stopped from passing, would have prohibited the GSEs from speculating on the mortgage-based securities they packaged. The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation.



Absolutely, they participated in the speculation as a casino visotor.  But they didnt run the casino, you dingbat.  Wall Street did.   Take note of that.  They plunked down their wager in someone else's casino.

Their execs were gambling in the casino just like everybody else was.  But they didn't BUILD the casino, asshole.





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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 3:45:44 PM   
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Then move... simple solution.

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 4:04:15 PM   
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The Dims made it their duty to give loans to those who couldnt afford it, even when things were obviously going to hell and alarm bells were ringing the Dims stubbornly and stupidly refused to throw a little water on the fire

Thanks Barack for your vote against regulation

Thanks for the current economy, its all urine

These are your chickens, they have come home to roost

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quote:

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That bill, which the Democrats stopped from passing, would have prohibited the GSEs from speculating on the mortgage-based securities they packaged. The GSEs' mission allegedly justifying their quasi-governmental status was to package or securitize such mortgages, but the lion's share of their profits—which determined top executives' bonuses—came from speculation.



Absolutely, they participated in the speculation as a casino visotor.  But they didnt run the casino, you dingbat.  Wall Street did.   Take note of that.  They plunked down their wager in someone else's casino.

Their execs were gambling in the casino just like everybody else was.  But they didn't BUILD the casino, asshole.







Well that is the untutored rushfelching school, but how about the million, two million, three million dollar homes forclosing now and for some time, how about the commercial properties, how about the rental properties?

Seems like it is a little more than a few less than white folk, ghetto street, shotgun houses have went basement up, as you would have it.

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 4:09:30 PM   
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"If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''

Alan Greenspan, 2005


How did they get into that position to begin with?


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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 4:14:23 PM   
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Only seems fair, I would suppose:
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In a trend that continues to worsen, more Illinoisans found themselves unemployed in the month of July.

Illinois lost more jobs during the month of July than any other state in the nation, according to the most recent Bureau of Labor Statistics report. After losing 7,200 jobs in June, Illinois lost an additional 24,900 non-farm payroll jobs in July. The report also said Illinois’s unemployment rate climbed to 9.5 percent. This marks the third consecutive month of increases in the unemployment rate.

Illinois started to create jobs as the national economy began to recover. But just when Illinois’s economy seemed to be turning around, lawmakers passed record tax increases in January of this year. Since then, Illinois’s employment numbers have done nothing but decline

http://www.illinoispolicy.org/uploads/media/unemployment_screenshot.jpg



It helps to keep a few things in mind, when dealing with a 'Sanity' post.

1) Sanity is a conservative.
2) His facts dont always check out.
3) When facts are presented that destroy his arguement(s) he ignores them.
4) He's not above slamming the Democrats or the President over petty things.
5) Sometimes his facts just dont go with reality's version.
6) He watchs FOX News....

It helps to actually READ the bull droppings that Sanity's has been posting to find how full of (censor) he is. Why not LOOK AT WHERE THE INFO COMES FROM for starters. From the sole perspective of the most number of people in all states losing jobs, Sanity is correct. However, take a look at Table A and tell me where Illinois is listed?

Then to Table B. That's right, Illinois is listed there. But if you do the numbers, it lost just .005% of the employed from the previous month. Delaware lost .004% while Florida had .006%. But this is just a one month difference. Sanity doesn't want to show how things have CHANGED in the full twelve months. That information can be found under Table C. Since June 2010, Illinois has gained 51,100 new jobs. Only one state is listed as having a reduced employment.

Yes, the employment numbers are not wonderful. But than, the President did state two years ago, that the economy would recover slower than we wanted it to. So far, he's been correct on that prediction. The economy has been growing slowly.

Now if Sanity or any other conservative wishs to link the raising of taxes to the unemployment numbers, by all means do so. You have the burden of evidence to produce to prove it. You'll need to check with ALL employers who removed employees and verify from them that the #1 reason those employees are not working at the organization/company is directly due to the taxes being raised. Again.....good luck providing it!

Frankly the 'Trickle Down Theory, version 3.0' also known as the 'Bush Era Tax Cuts' really hasn't done a stellar job of creating massive jobs for Americans. Perhaps we should raise the upper classes taxes. After all, economic conditions were good under the Reagan Administration, right? And where was the tax rate for the rich under his administration? As low as it is now? Come on conservatives, you folks have the best 'Grade A Bullshit' on Spaceship Earth. Now if only we could turn it into a source of energy....


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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 4:14:44 PM   
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"A serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.

If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.







First Pete, and now repeat, eh?

Excellent reinforcement on #3.  And another participant with a complete mental blank on #1, #2, #5, and #6, I see.


I say again, where were the right wing calls to regulate the unregulated insurance? Or the bonuses? Or the ratings agencies? Or to oust Greenspan for not doing his job as a regulator?  Any one of these could have stopped the party, too.

Why was the right wing focus only on closing up shop on the one mechanism that benefited the poor guy the most, a mechanism that did not cause a crisis by itself for close to 30 years UNTIL Wall Street's "financial innovation" was mated to it?

Remember, the same people who wanted Fannie & Freddie shut down in 2005 were the same people who legalized Wall Street's desired "financial innovation" via legislation back in 1999 and 2000.




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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 4:29:38 PM   
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The Dims made it their duty to give loans to those who couldnt afford it, even when things were obviously going to hell and alarm bells were ringing the Dims stubbornly and stupidly refused to throw a little water on the fire

Thanks Barack for your vote against regulation

Thanks for the current economy, its all urine

These are your chickens, they have come home to roost


If you actually held the Republican party and your fellow conservatives voters to even one billionth the rate you hold Democrats, not a single Republican would have gotten elected in 2010. Yes, I find conservatives hold the mantra "Do as I say, but dont do what I do" pretty strictly. You level blame towards Democrats while giving Republicans a free ride. Need proof?

Tell me how the US Debt went from $2 Trillion and decreasing to nothing by 2002 changed to $14.5 Trillion and rising quickly in 2008? Where were all the conservatives holding the Republicans accountable? How about that bullshit from than Gov. Bush in 1999 that he would NOT as President. conduct nation building? What did we do in Iraq and Afghanistan? Where was the accountability? That's the problem you have Sanity, you hold your own philosophy to absolutely ZERO accountability and responsibility! You want good goveremnt? Than why do you keep voting for people that dont know how to govern? How about the current crop of GOP President candidates? Which one of those people ISNT insane or a religious fanatic?

I seem to recall the Democrats and President gave loans out to quite a number of banks...with strings attached. Can you tell me what strings were attached to the loans the Republicans and former President Bush gave to those same businesses months earlier? That's right, 'pay it back in X years, if you default....o well...". BTW, each and everyone of those loans the Democrats and President allowed have been paid back....WITH....interest (that's right, America made a profit on a loan).

So yes, please show me that you hold the Republicans to the same level (if not greater) of accountibility and responsibility than that of the Democrats.

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RE: Illinois Loses Most Jobs in the Nation - 8/24/2011 4:31:04 PM   
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More from my previously linked article:

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John McCain has shied away from making this an issue, for reasons my U.S. News colleague Jim Pethokoukis speculates on. This National Republican Congressional Committee Web ad makes the point McCain has been avoiding. Jim Geraghty of the Campaign Spot blog at National Review Online seems exasperated by the McCain campaign's failure to exploit this issue. Excerpts:
Don't the American people deserve to know that Democrat Barney Frank, then ranking member and now chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said, "I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing"? Isn't the fact that the ranking Democrat in charge of oversight of Fannie Mae was in a sexual relationship with a high-ranking Fannie Mae executive a glaring conflict of interest? Isn't it worth noting that Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters insisted, "we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines"? Shouldn't the American people know that Democratic Rep. Gregory Meeks insist that "there's been nothing that was indicated that's wrong with Fannie Mae"?

If nothing else, shouldn't we salute Democratic Rep. Artur Davis for saying, "Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong."


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