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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:02:09 PM   
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Straight man here.. I don't get disgusted, just turned off. If I am at a party and there are no female distractions around, the predominance of gay behavior is buzz kill. However, sometimes it can feel unsettling, not sure where that gut feeling comes from. When it comes to gay friends, it is really a matter of personality. I don't have a problem being friends with people in the gay community, so not sure where that is an issue.

However, I think the base reaction is all biology and has nothing to do with social conditioning. Yet, people who have violent reactions, I think, force themselves to because they think it is either appropriate (AKA religious upbringing) or are concerned with their arrousal to the situation (denial). As far as the general sentimate that many straights are off put by gay sex, I think it has to do with the breeding dynamic of men and women.

Men are biologically driven to spread their seed wide and far. This involves being hyper driven towards hetero-sex. So when a male goes gay, the heteromen are just plain stumped. Women don't have the same issue, because one of their major concerns is to find stable relationships in their life. Biologically, evolution dictated that women were more successful in reproduction if engaged in a healthy stable relationship. In theory, this could mean sharing resources with other women on top of bonding with a male counterpart, etc. While women are driven to have sex for procreation, pair bonding stability, and pleasure, there is no need for hyper heterosexuality when a women can only produce as many as 1 child per year.

However, there is the prison effect. That hyper sexuality turns in on itself once a man has been isolated with other men for long periods of time. I once even felt questioning my own sexuality, while I was in a all-boys high. That was quickly dashed in college with a steady supply of female entertainment.

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:13:15 PM   
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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:24:11 PM   
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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:29:28 PM   
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Men are biologically driven to spread their seed wide and far. This involves being hyper driven towards hetero-sex. So when a male goes gay, the heteromen are just plain stumped. Women don't have the same issue, because one of their major concerns is to find stable relationships in their life. Biologically, evolution dictated that women were more successful in reproduction if engaged in a healthy stable relationship. In theory, this could mean sharing resources with other women on top of bonding with a male counterpart, etc. While women are driven to have sex for procreation, pair bonding stability, and pleasure, there is no need for hyper heterosexuality when a women can only produce as many as 1 child per year.
This almost makes sense, until you think of how it would be biologically counterproductive to have women wired to seek a stable relationship with men who are wired for the opposite. And human beings are anything BUT biologically unsuccessful.

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:31:43 PM   
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Do I need to hand out more gags? :-P

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:37:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		you would think counter poductive, but that is why human women have sex when they are not ovulating like many other species. It satisfies the male sex drive, we are also a bit lazy, why leave the house to get laid when it right there so to speak.

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:38:17 PM   
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A true menage à moi


Sorry, Zephyr.  I don't like menages.  I don't like meringues or souffles either.  Gays' food.

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:40:40 PM   
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A true menage à moi


Sorry, Zephyr.  I don't like menages.  I don't like meringues or souffles either.  Gays' food.


~looks down at the perfect lemon meringue pie~ But....PEON I made it just for you. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh


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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 5:48:35 PM   
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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 7:54:04 PM   
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Men are biologically driven to spread their seed wide and far. This involves being hyper driven towards hetero-sex. So when a male goes gay, the heteromen are just plain stumped. Women don't have the same issue, because one of their major concerns is to find stable relationships in their life. Biologically, evolution dictated that women were more successful in reproduction if engaged in a healthy stable relationship. In theory, this could mean sharing resources with other women on top of bonding with a male counterpart, etc. While women are driven to have sex for procreation, pair bonding stability, and pleasure, there is no need for hyper heterosexuality when a women can only produce as many as 1 child per year.
This almost makes sense, until you think of how it would be biologically counterproductive to have women wired to seek a stable relationship with men who are wired for the opposite. And human beings are anything BUT biologically unsuccessful.

Well, according to the latest in evolutionary psychology, you are both likely partially right.

First, the human animal has a very wild latitude of strategies for mating, and a wide variability in individual personality.  You can only talk about such behavior in the aggregate, not in the specific.

With these caveats in mind, then, men and women have several different mating strategies, and which strategy they may embrace at any specific time and place depends on a lot of different factors.

Believe it or not, monogamy (at least serial monogamy) seems to be one of the main human mating strategies. It is one of the two main strategies of men, the other being "fuck everything they can, whenever they can" and occasionally limited polygamy.

Women, on the other hand, tend to long term monogamy, and then the "bait and switch" i.e. marry a man who has good status and can provide for her offspring, and then attempt to obtain the genes of a more physically fit man.

None of these strategies are things that any individual is "forced into" by nature.  They are tendencies and sometimes desires, but acting on them is always an individual choice.

This area of research is very interesting, but also very easy to misunderstand, and turn into justifications for behavior, when it shouldn't be.

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 8:09:58 PM   
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No worries, PeonForHer, as long as it's 'twue' Key Lime Pie then you are still a "Real Man."

So then, I hope the following venture constitutes my 'unpompifying' enough for you;

The game show, "You Might Be Gay If ... ". I'll go first.

"you might be gay if ...

"you like ABBA"

More especially if you ever listen to post-divorce ABBA. Or if that group constitutes more than 80% of your "World Music" collection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmzmD4POMk&feature=related

That's right. Even in the midst of buying Stanley Clarke and Charlie Parker and Darius Milhaud records and learning Francis Poulenc in my classical guitar lessons, I went and bought the 45 single SOS by ABBA. Don't ask me how it happened. I don't know if it was because of Agnetha's separated teeth or Anni-Frid's overcrowded teeth, but they made me think that "Real Women" should avoid orthodontists.

Too hot.



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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 8:22:31 PM   
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This almost makes sense, until you think of how it would be biologically counterproductive to have women wired to seek a stable relationship with men who are wired for the opposite. And human beings are anything BUT biologically unsuccessful.


Consider this as not counter-productive, but complimentary.  It goes a little deeper than just spreading seed and producing offspring... those offspring must survive and thrive to adulthood. 

Where the male tends towards the spreading seed to increase the chance of creating offspring, the female leans more towards mating only with males who are capable of helping to ensure the survival of the offspring (sticking around to hunt and protect).

These tendencies work together for survival of the species.

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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 8:24:01 PM   
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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 8:37:50 PM   
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These tendencies work together for survival of the species.
No they do not. You are confusing mating patterns with breeding patterns. On an evolutionary/biological level a woman would be best served by getting as much sperm from as many males as possible. The "male" urge to spread it around is a breeding strategy, while the "female" urge for security is a mating strategy.

These are completely different things and I am surprised that you don't see the difference Treasure.


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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 8:48:56 PM   
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These tendencies work together for survival of the species.
No they do not. You are confusing mating patterns with breeding patterns. On an evolutionary/biological level a woman would be best served by getting as much sperm from as many males as possible. The "male" urge to spread it around is a breeding strategy, while the "female" urge for security is a mating strategy.

These are completely different things and I am surprised that you don't see the difference Treasure.


I'm not confused, at all, Arpig.  But I do think you're trying to make a distinction where there isn't one. 



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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 8:50:59 PM   
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How about this game show..You might be an despicable liar?




Good to see you display your firm grasp of usage of a article in this language.




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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 9:25:28 PM   
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(yes my error is admitted...but your error in pointing it out is just funnier than funny...how about all those lies...got any explanation for those?)



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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 9:31:10 PM   
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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 9:33:00 PM   
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Asking me to explain your own hallucinations to yourself is a bit much to ask, don't you think?



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RE: Gagging at the thought of a cock? - 9/1/2011 9:49:55 PM   
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You know, no woman, apart from my mother, has ever cooked a pie for me. I don't expect it, not at all, but it'd be nice if it were to happen, just once.  I'd appreciate it quite a lot. 


Awwww poor Peon, that's it let it all out. That's where it all started isn't it. All your adult life noone has baked you a pie; you crave it, need it but noone DOES it. Poor, poor Peon. ~shakes head sadly~


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