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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/1/2011 2:14:29 PM

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BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

Survey says ZERO!!!!!
Those are states rights issues, see the 10th. Chicago wants to limit usage and has no state constitutional beef with Illinois, go get em tiger.

They are not anywhere saying you cannot own them, that would be sorta unconstitutional, if you get my drift.

DC. Not a state, but same with Fed.

Strawman and red herring. Not your average pickled fish, I guess.

Ron,

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.

The current interpretation of the 2nd amendment is that it gives individual US citizens the right to bear personal arms, and that any law - be it federal, state or local - which abridges that right is unconstitutional.

The Chicago lawsuits, and the DC lawsuits are examples of the implementation of that "old-new" interpretation.

The 10th involves states' rights.

Firm

That is a compete misunderstanding of the instrument.

The constitution give the people nothing.

It is the "reservation of rights" of the people.

In other words if I make a contract with you and reserve the rights to kick anyones ass who farts in my house, and then I do kick someones ass for farting in my house and they try to sue me I walk away with damages, both in trespass of my right reserved and for stinking up my house and for court costs.

That constitution is recognition of rights reserved, NOT permission granted.

Nowhere does it say I have to be a citizen to retain and exercise my rights. If it does please cite it.

1/2 correct. It grants rights to the Federal government, and reserves everything else to the States or the people. People means citizens in the context of the Constitution, often being very specific "People of the United States" to be sure that some moron in 2011 wont claim otherwise.

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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/1/2011 2:26:29 PM

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1/2 correct. It grants rights to the Federal government, and reserves everything else to the States or the people. People means citizens in the context of the Constitution, often being very specific "People of the United States" to be sure that some moron in 2011 wont claim otherwise.

use of the term rights in terms of a fictitious person is a misnomer and cannot exist in law except if understood as a contractual privilege by a grantor.

Whiule a corporation, association, et al are all acknowledged as persons in law they have different "status's".

They have wrongfully commingled the terms circumvented the people and very law that created the country.

As you can see from above such commingling conflation of terms is a contempt of court, in a common law tribunal, if they still existed. Any surprise they for all intents and purposes abolished it or at least removed it from the reach of the common man?

The federal gub is a self proclaimed sovereign with no authority to act in the capacity of sovereign than any other mafia thug claiming dominion over territory that rightfully belongs to another. That is each person having their own status as man and woman and "real party in interest".

There is nothing that I have ever run across in either the staatutes at large or the a court case that states the "people" are ONLY regarded as citizens.

Citizen is a "person" UNDER contract with and subject to a sovereign no different than a subject under the king.

this is from one of the blacks law dictionaries:

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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/1/2011 2:28:26 PM

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you can always tell who the left is afraid of.. they go bonkers over palin, the judge, tea partiers... hilarious... if those wacky leftists only had a brain! Well if that were the case, they wouldn't be so funny! Oh and those fun loving dolts of the congressional black caucus! Howls of laughter! 1-20-2013 baby!

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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/1/2011 2:35:03 PM

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its right in the dictionaries and IN EVERYONES FACE that unalienable right of the man do not exist in this country and have been reduced to a civil contract in concert with amity and commerce.

Who controls commerce?

you got it!

we were sleeping at our posts, they transformed our law before our very eyes and we were to dumb to understand what was really happening.

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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/1/2011 2:40:04 PM

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you can always tell who the left is afraid of.. they go bonkers over palin, the judge, tea partiers... hilarious... if those wacky leftists only had a brain! Well if that were the case, they wouldn't be so funny! Oh and those fun loving dolts of the congressional black caucus! Howls of laughter! 1-20-2013 baby!

The 20th is gonna look alot like the 19th or today in any case, that is undeniable. But you might want to be a little more looking to the 21st, and from all that can be seen, it is gonna look like today as well.

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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/1/2011 2:43:28 PM

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I don't recall the Democrats making Palin their Vice Presidential candidate. Who is exactly bonkers again?

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RE: Clarence Thomas America's Frodo Baggins - 9/3/2011 9:20:07 AM

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either way I am in the process of writing a kudos letter to thomas and a few choice citations for his reference.

~dont stop there yer doing great!

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