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Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 2:34:25 AM   
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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/30/libya.tripoli.zoo/

I am so angry right now! All because men have to create circumstances where the innocent suffer. Yes, men. Do you see any female dictators out there? Do you see women war-mongers?

I just hope and pray that someone or some organization will be able to help these animals. And why have zoos anyhow? They should all be banned.

This situation should never have happened.

I wish I could have made a post that expressed my feelings better than I have done here, but it's late, past my bed time and I'm too tired to properly articulate my thoughts.

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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 4:49:48 AM   
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Do you see any female dictators out there?
catherine the great, mary i of england, ranavalona i of madagascar, srimavo bandaranaike, empress matilda, cleopatra, and so on.
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Do you see women war-mongers?
margaret thatcher, golda meir, isabella of spain, catherine the great, and so on
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And why have zoos anyhow?
oh i don't know - captive breeding programs to reestablish threatened species in old habitats maybe?

as to the animals in the zoo, well that fucking sucks, but i think they have a few tiny details that have to be cleared up first - you know like get rid of a fucking dictator and establish a new fucking country. sweet mary's tits woman, get your fucking priorities straight. there are people being killed and you are obsessing over some fucking animals in a zoo???

ho. lee. fuck!!


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 5:16:57 AM   
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And why have zoos anyhow?


http://cjcpig.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/is-there-a-case-for-keeping-animals-in-zoos/

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/the-case-for-zoos/2007/06/19/1182019118142.html 

http://www.dst.gov.za/publications-policies/magazine/vol5_html/vol5_3



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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 7:30:01 AM   
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I am with you DD, and I hope someone does step in. These animals are suffering and they certainly have no control over their circumstances. Of course, this is just a small example of human's mistreatment of animals. Read Man Kind? Our Incredible War on Wildlife. Of course, the biggest threat to wild animals, and the reason why zoos shouldn't be eliminated, is habitat destruction. This is only going to get worsens the human population hits 7 billion and it may be that many species will only survive in zoos.
Anyway, it also makes me sick when animals suffer, and god knows there is enough people in the world.

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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 7:36:01 AM   
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It doesn't surprise me at all that gaddafi had that sick need to collect exotic animals. I am with you DD, and I hope someone does step in. These animals are suffering and they certainly have no control over their circumstances. Of course, this is just a small example of human's mistreatment of animals. Read Man Kind? Our Incredible War on Wildlife. Of course, the biggest threat to wild animals, and the reason why zoos shouldn't be eliminated, is habitat destruction. This is only going to get worsens the human population hits 7 billion and it may be that many species will only survive in zoos.
Anyway, it also makes me sick when animals suffer, and god knows there is enough people in the world.


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 9:44:08 AM   
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I just want to know where PETA is and why they aren't in Tripoli setting the animals free so they can run around a zone packed with men carrying guns.
And then using the poor dead animals as yet another excuse to push through anti exotic-pet ownership laws.

Seriously though I hope someone comes in and takes the animals to a safer place. I somehow doubt Gaddafi's zoo and the poor creatures in it will have any sort of priority for a long time, with the other things the country has going on.


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 11:12:35 AM   
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and god knows there is enough people in the world.
OK, I guess we should cull the herd....are you going to volunteer yourself and your family first?

I didn't think so.


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 11:23:50 AM   
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Maybe if we stop irresponsible breeding. How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? For the record, I don't have any. I also find most animals more worthy of walking this planet than the majority of useless humans wandering around with no purpose.  



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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 11:30:58 AM   
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Maybe if we stop irresponsible breeding. How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford?

OK Aynne, so we now have a means test for parenting...are you going to sterilize poor people? Oh darn what if they start a business and make good...too bad so sad, you've been snipped.

Not going to snip them? Then how are you going to prevent pregnancy? Well obviously you can't, so I guess you're going to have make use of forced abortions. Yes of course Comrade Deng, for the betterment of the proletariat.

That's just a very dumb post Aynne


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 3:31:06 PM   
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Amen.  I am having trouble adjusting to the idea of living in a world with 7 BILLION people.  All to the detriment of the natural world.  Nature has a way of making sure populations are sustainable, it just isn't very pleasant.
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Maybe if we stop irresponsible breeding. How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? For the record, I don't have any. I also find most animals more worthy of walking this planet than the majority of useless humans wandering around with no purpose.  




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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 3:43:31 PM   
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Maybe if we stop irresponsible breeding. How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford?

OK Aynne, so we now have a means test for parenting...are you going to sterilize poor people? Oh darn what if they start a business and make good...too bad so sad, you've been snipped.

Not going to snip them? Then how are you going to prevent pregnancy? Well obviously you can't, so I guess you're going to have make use of forced abortions. Yes of course Comrade Deng, for the betterment of the proletariat.


There is a simple solution to both problems. Just take the excess people and feed them to the hungry animals. Problem solved.

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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 3:49:20 PM   
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...or to hungry people.

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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 4:03:11 PM   
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Another male bashing thread barely hidden under a thin veil of concern for animals. How quaint.




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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 11:07:56 PM   
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Maybe if we stop irresponsible breeding. How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford?

OK Aynne, so we now have a means test for parenting...are you going to sterilize poor people? Oh darn what if they start a business and make good...too bad so sad, you've been snipped.

Not going to snip them? Then how are you going to prevent pregnancy? Well obviously you can't, so I guess you're going to have make use of forced abortions. Yes of course Comrade Deng, for the betterment of the proletariat.

That's just a very dumb post Aynne



You do realize I am a liberal progressive Arpig?  Just because I abhor idiots filling this fragile overstuffed planet with more of  their brood, it doesn't mean I am 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from or 2. That I am a rightwinger. (hell no.) I just despise seeing ill bred illmannered rugrats overtaking this overpopulated earth. It's sickening. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

Very dumb presumptive reply Arpig.


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 8/31/2011 11:55:32 PM   
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And why have zoos anyhow?


http://cjcpig.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/is-there-a-case-for-keeping-animals-in-zoos/

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/the-case-for-zoos/2007/06/19/1182019118142.html 

http://www.dst.gov.za/publications-policies/magazine/vol5_html/vol5_3


I briefly perused the first link you provided. The arguments presented weren't strong enough, imho. The idea of endangered species could be considered valid, however that hasn't been the raison d'être for many zoos. Wildlife sanctuaries can exist without being in the form of a zoo. The education argument implies that it's a necessity and it isn't. Yes, children would be impacted more so by seeing "the real deal" in front of them, but locking up animals, away from their natural habitat for "educational" purposes is a rather arrogant action on our part. As for studying and learning about them up close? In my mind the science obtained would be tainted by the fact that these animals are not in their natural environment and how does that form of stress impact an animal?

But my comment that zoos should be banned, is an aside from the real crux of my post - abandoned animals locked up to starve or die from thirst.




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Maybe if we stop irresponsible breeding. How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford?

OK Aynne, so we now have a means test for parenting...are you going to sterilize poor people? Oh darn what if they start a business and make good...too bad so sad, you've been snipped.

Not going to snip them? Then how are you going to prevent pregnancy? Well obviously you can't, so I guess you're going to have make use of forced abortions. Yes of course Comrade Deng, for the betterment of the proletariat.

That's just a very dumb post Aynne


I disagree. I think you are taking your argument a bit too far. Aynne did not suggest sterilization. How are you going to prevent pregnancy you ask? By being responsible. In wealthier nations people are irresponsible when it comes to the use of birth control which is not only available to use but encouraged to be used. As for poorer nations, education is key. Neither scenario is going to be 100%, but if more responsibility was taken, there would be fewer in the world.


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Another male bashing thread barely hidden under a thin veil of concern for animals. How quaint.


Believe that if you wish, but my post was motivated by anger over how innocents are the first casualty of any form of armed conflict.

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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 9/1/2011 6:07:28 AM   
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I was thinking we could start with you.
Seriously, what I would like to happen is for people to realize that there are limited resources in the world and the population cannot continue to double every 50 years or so without disastrous results. Water, food, energy, the earth can only produce so much. Not only that, but we lose a lot of what is beautiful and wonderful about the world if there is no room left for wildlife, and the amount of habitat destruction that goes on in the name of expanding human populations is astounding. Human beings are supposed to be rational, why can't we face this problem in a rational way, before it becomes a crisis? Instead, religious people think god is going to save them and other people don't think of it at all. It isn't a matter of hating poor people, wherever that came from, it is a matter of everyone having a good quality of life because they aren't fighting for every last scrap.
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and god knows there is enough people in the world.
OK, I guess we should cull the herd....are you going to volunteer yourself and your family first?

I didn't think so.



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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 9/1/2011 8:08:37 AM   
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It bothers me greatly to see the innocent suffer, and animals at the hands of human are innocent and vulnerable.  They are relying on human hands to care for them in their captivity.  When human hands become cruel, the confusion, pain and stress these creatures feel appalls me.

I do not support zoos, circuses, amusement parks which exploit animals, or anything of the like.  I've seen way too many documentaries about what goes on behind the scenes, and it's horrendous.

For the record, I think people being treated cruelly is horrendous, too - there's just not an either/or for me.


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 9/1/2011 12:00:47 PM   
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<3 Yes. 

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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 9/1/2011 12:17:42 PM   
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1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from
From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group.

You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted.

Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension


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RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering - 9/1/2011 12:50:16 PM   
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This is what the Academy of Science had to say on the subject of overpopulation and solutions for it. 

Between October 24 and October 27, 1993, an international "scientist's top summit" was held in New Delhi, India, with representatives from academies of sciences from all over the world. This grew out of two previous meetings, one joint meeting by the Royal Society of London and the United States National Academy of Sciences, and one international meeting organised by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. The scientists discussed the environmental and social welfare problems for the world population, and found them closely linked to the population expansion. In the year 1950, there were approximately 2.5 billion (2,500 million) humans alive in this world. By 1960, the number had reached 3 billion, and by 1975 was at 4 billion. The 5 billion mark was reached around 1987,[1] and in 1993, at the New Delhi meeting, academics estimated the population to be 5.5 billion. For some time, world food production had been able to roughly match population growth, meaning that starvation was a regional and distributional problem, rather than one based on a total shortage of food. The scientists noted that increased food production on land and on sea in the previous decade was less than the population increase over the same period. Moreover, by increased food production and otherwise, the population growth was contributing to a loss of biodiversity, deforestation and loss of topsoil, and shortages of water and fuel. The academics noted that the complex relationships between population size and various environmental effects were not fully understood, but that "there is no doubt that the threat to the ecosystem is linked to population size and resource use". They were aware of the problems with increasing greenhouse emissions and other environmental threats, and found these linked to the population growth. The scientists decided to adopt a resolution on the problems and on the means to solve them, and that this resolution should be put to vote by the respective national academies of science. In 1993, they also established the InterAcademy Panel, in order to coordinate this and future similar consensus resolutions on important global issues. Statement summary The academies note that "the world is undergoing an unprecedented population expansion", and that it is necessary to stop it. In fact, we must reach "zero population growth within the lifetime of our children", if we are to achieve the "common goal", which was defined as "the improvement of the quality of life for all, both now and succeeding generations", including "social, economic and personal well-being while preserving fundamental human rights and the ability to live harmoniously in a protected environment". Moreover, these goals are achievable, but in order to achieve them it is not sufficient to halt the population expansion. At the same time, a number of actions need to be taken, in order to improve health and welfare, and lessen the negative human impact on the environment. Finally, more research in these areas is needed. The proposed actions are concretised in 21 points. Those directly dealing with halting the population growth include furthering equal opportunities for women, easy access to cheap and safe contraceptives, family planning programmes, broad primary health care and education, and increased research on cultural, religious, and other factors, which "affect reproductive behavior". In accordance with the respect for fundamental human rights, the measures do not include any kind of coercion, but enabling and encouragement for choosing to limit the number of children in a family. Other points include governmental policies recognizing longer-term environmental responsibilities; assistance from the industrialised to the developing world for environmental problems; pricing and taxing that take environmental cost into account, and thus influence consumer behaviour, and transitions to less energy consumptive economies.
They revise their position periodically, but this is the gist of it.  Sounds terrible, doesn't it?





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