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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 4:00:57 AM   
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Know what? I constantly overestimate the capabilities of people. Maybe it's just that people are intimidated by long texts. Why don't we, in the interests of promoting discussion, take it in littler chunks. Those of you with the skills to handle the text-dump above can go at their own pace, but let's try spoon feeding it...

Ok, willbeurdaddy Here's the first chunk of text:


1. The primary law of the United States Federal Government was set forth in the U.S. Constitution ("Constitution"), which provides that the first branch of government is the Legislative Branch ("Congress"). Pursuant to Article I, Section 8, Congress has certain powers and obligations regarding oversight of foreign affairs, including the powers to: (1) declare war; (2) raise and support the armed forces; and (3) tax and spend for the common good.

2. Article II of the Constitution establishes the Executive Branch. The Executive Power of the United States is vested in the President, who is also the Commander in Chief of the Armed Services.

3. Defendant GEORGE W. BUSH ("BUSH") has been employed as President of the United States since January 20, 2001. On that day, BUSH took a constitutionally mandated oath to faithfully execute the Office of President and to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. BUSH is also constitutionally obligated to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

4. As Chief Executive, BUSH exercised authority, direction, and control over the entire Executive Branch, which includes the White House, the Office of the Vice President, the Departments of State, Defense, and others, and the National Security Council.

5. Defendant RICHARD B. CHENEY ("CHENEY") has been employed as Vice President of the United States since January 20, 2001.

6. Defendant CONDOLEEZZA RICE ("RICE") was employed as the National Security Adviser from January 2001 to January 2005, when she became Secretary of State, a position she holds as of the date of this indictment. As National Security Adviser, RICE exercised direction, control, and authority over the National Security Council, which coordinates various national security and foreign policy agencies, including the Departments of Defense and State.

7. Defendant DONALD M. RUMSFELD ("RUMSFELD") has been employed as Secretary of Defense since January 2001.

8. Defendant COLIN M. POWELL ("POWELL") was employed as Secretary of State from January 2001 through January of 2005.

9. Before assuming their offices, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD and POWELL took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

10. As employees of the Executive Branch, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL were governed by Executive Orders 12674 and 12731. These Orders provide that Executive Branch employees hold their positions as a public trust and that the American people have a right to expect that they will fulfill that trust in accordance with certain ethical standards and principles. These include abiding by the Constitution and laws of the United States, as well as not using their offices to further private goals and interests.

11. Pursuant to the Constitution, their oaths of office, their status as Executive Branch employees, and their presence in the United States, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL, and their subordinates and employees, are required to obey Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.

12. As used in Section 371, the term "to defraud the United States" means "to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful government functions by deceit, craft, trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest." The term also means to "impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful function of any department of government" by the use of "false or fraudulent pretenses or representations."

13. A "false" or "fraudulent" representation is one that is: (a) made with knowledge that it is untrue; (b) a half-truth; (c) made without a reasonable basis or with reckless indifference as to whether it is, in fact, true or false; or (d) literally true, but intentionally presented in a manner reasonably calculated to deceive a person of ordinary prudence and intelligence. The knowing concealment or omission of information that a reasonable person would consider important in deciding an issue also constitutes fraud.

14. Congress is a "department of the United States" within the meaning of Section 371. In addition, hearings regarding funding for military action and authorization to use military force are "lawful functions" of Congress.

15. Accordingly, the presentation of information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action, constitutes interfering with, obstructing, impairing, and defeating a lawful government function of a department of the United States within the meaning of Section 371.


Ok, now everyone agrees that that is all quite straight forward.

1 and 2 state the Constitutional landscape.

3 to 8 establish the defendants.

9 to 11 establish the defendants duties to obey their oaths, the constitution, the laws and executive orders.

12 to 14 is pretty much cut and paste from 18 USC 371. That's what the law says. Complain to your congressman if you have a problem with it.

and 15 is a summation of 1 - 14.

Now, I've got to get out of the house, and I'll be downtown all day without access to the site. So you have a while to chew that over, and I will await your agreement with 1-15 before moving forward. You have a bit of time, and perhaps you should take the opportunity to read ahead so that you might make relevant inquiries when we resume.




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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 4:16:32 AM   
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Although this could have been worded better (at the moment, i'm not exactly sure how...pretty "nail on the head"), and i'm not exactly sure how it relates to the topic at hand, other than Rice and Powell being mentioned, I don't think this is worth getting upset over.

I've been told I have this "syndrome", I am one, or something to that extent at least once a year since I turned 14 and lived in the US.

Rice, Powell, and also Obama, are essentially the polar opposite of what the majority of the African-American populatition consider to be real black people. Uppity, snooty,"oreos", who lack the ability to "keep it real".

Keep what real?

The argument from that view point is typically that they are trying to present themselves as Caucasian, as if they are ashamed of being African-American. For instance, Rice grew up in racially segregated Birmingham, Alabama, which by short definition would be the ghetto.

A portion of the African-American population cannot distinguish being ghetto from living in the ghetto. The latter being irrelevant (in my opinion) since its something you cannot help, and it depends on the individual if they choose to leave their surroundings and what they do with themselves once they leave.

While visiting a family member from my mother's side who was in a nursing home, my mother and I were put in the position of being in a room with many people who essentially looked down on my mother and had no qualms about letting her know how they felt about her. She graduated in the top portion of her high school class of a predominantly. Caucasian school, went off and became a translator for the UN, moved to england, and settled down with my father : a white, Jewish man. And merely by her being my mother, I am no better.

That's where I heard the terminology that HannahLynHeather used for the first time.

I guess it was jarring to see that somebody of another race said it (I don't know how the OP really felt about it), but it is what it is.


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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i just thought of something. rice and powell are both black. the uppity n****r syndrome maybe?


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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 5:33:41 AM   
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Discrimination comes in many forms and what you saw in that hospital room was just one example of it. Its a story that is seen throughout all our lives in the community. you are right that many want to be "ghetto" without actually ever having stepped a foot in one. The vast majority of our people have never had one foot in cabrini or watts. But, I'd say everyone in that room knew the facts that there is no 'oreo". There is a society that you have to live and work in that has a set of rules. Whether you like those rules or not is immaterial. Its how the game is played. If you want to succeed you play that game. If not, you won't succeed. The point for our people is that this is the same set of rules for us as any kid from appalachia or one from east la or jersey. You gotta lose the rough edges and put on some shine or you aren't going to make it. Its that part that we lose sight of. Or in other words class envy knows no color. From Puff Daddy to Beyonce to Kobe Bryant that is true. They know that they had to have that shine and have it. I mean spike went to morehouse and graduated nyu......he is a nerd not nobody's dawg....

Will it change?  I don't know I wish it was. I wish Black Folk with lighter skin and darker skin wouldn't look at each other the way they do. All we can do is take care of ourselves and try to make better.

As to hannah? She is a racist that thinks she isn't cause she is lesbian which immunes her from such labels in her mind.....And meant those words in a completely different context.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 6:07:56 AM   
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You and I end up on opposing ends of a lot of discussions but I'll tell ya, that was damn well said. 

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 6:11:19 AM   
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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 7:59:09 AM   
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You should actually READ THE TEXT YOU REQUESTED before attempting your ignorant hand-waving dismissal. All the required background is there, and if you dispute any allegations, please provide the direct, exact text you have a concern with, and your response.





I asked for proof, not allegations,, learn the difference. Cutting and pasting an asinine lawsuit that went nowhere isnt proof. Ive read this garbage before. It isnt much better than truther nonsense.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 8:09:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

Threadjack

Although this could have been worded better (at the moment, i'm not exactly sure how...pretty "nail on the head"), and i'm not exactly sure how it relates to the topic at hand, other than Rice and Powell being mentioned, I don't think this is worth getting upset over.

I've been told I have this "syndrome", I am one, or something to that extent at least once a year since I turned 14 and lived in the US.

Rice, Powell, and also Obama, are essentially the polar opposite of what the majority of the African-American populatition consider to be real black people. Uppity, snooty,"oreos", who lack the ability to "keep it real".

Keep what real?

The argument from that view point is typically that they are trying to present themselves as Caucasian, as if they are ashamed of being African-American. For instance, Rice grew up in racially segregated Birmingham, Alabama, which by short definition would be the ghetto.

A portion of the African-American population cannot distinguish being ghetto from living in the ghetto. The latter being irrelevant (in my opinion) since its something you cannot help, and it depends on the individual if they choose to leave their surroundings and what they do with themselves once they leave.

While visiting a family member from my mother's side who was in a nursing home, my mother and I were put in the position of being in a room with many people who essentially looked down on my mother and had no qualms about letting her know how they felt about her. She graduated in the top portion of her high school class of a predominantly. Caucasian school, went off and became a translator for the UN, moved to england, and settled down with my father : a white, Jewish man. And merely by her being my mother, I am no better.

That's where I heard the terminology that HannahLynHeather used for the first time.

I guess it was jarring to see that somebody of another race said it (I don't know how the OP really felt about it), but it is what it is.


/Threadjack.





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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i just thought of something. rice and powell are both black. the uppity n****r syndrome maybe?



I think there is some difference between your experiences and Powell/Rice/Thomas. They are seen as "race traitors" because they are not liberals, (although Powell straddles the line and isnt attacked as vehemently)...it is no longer a race issue but an ideology issue. Growing up in the era I did I felt much of the de rigeur "white guilt". It wasn't until I read the brilliant writings of Clarence Thomas that I was able to examine the issues intellectually and not emotionally.

Obama's still nearly monolithic support amongst blacks despite being only half black and easily assused of being an "uppity Negro" is ample evidence that the issue is more ideological than racial in the 21st century.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 8:14:30 AM   
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Powell is more acceptable to leftists NOW but they called him every name in their racist handbook before, when he was still viewed as a loyal Bush cabinet member

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I think there is some difference between your experiences and Powell/Rice/Thomas. They are seen as "race traitors" because they are not liberals, (although Powell straddles the line and isnt attacked as vehemently)...it is no longer a race issue but an ideology issue. Growing up in the era I did I felt much of the de rigeur "white guilt". It wasn't until I read the brilliant writings of Clarence Thomas that I was able to examine the issues intellectually and not emotionally.

Obama's still nearly monolithic support amongst blacks despite being only half black and easily assused of being an "uppity Negro" is ample evidence that the issue is more ideological than racial in the 21st century.


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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 8:18:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Powell is more acceptable to leftists NOW but they called him every name in their racist handbook before, when he was still viewed as a loyal Bush cabinet member

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

I think there is some difference between your experiences and Powell/Rice/Thomas. They are seen as "race traitors" because they are not liberals, (although Powell straddles the line and isnt attacked as vehemently)...it is no longer a race issue but an ideology issue. Growing up in the era I did I felt much of the de rigeur "white guilt". It wasn't until I read the brilliant writings of Clarence Thomas that I was able to examine the issues intellectually and not emotionally.

Obama's still nearly monolithic support amongst blacks despite being only half black and easily assused of being an "uppity Negro" is ample evidence that the issue is more ideological than racial in the 21st century.



I agree..and that change came with him shedding a good bit of his "conservative" veneer.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 2:20:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle


You should actually READ THE TEXT YOU REQUESTED before attempting your ignorant hand-waving dismissal. All the required background is there, and if you dispute any allegations, please provide the direct, exact text you have a concern with, and your response.





I asked for proof, not allegations,, learn the difference. Cutting and pasting an asinine lawsuit that went nowhere isnt proof. Ive read this garbage before. It isnt much better than truther nonsense.



When you READ *ALL* THE WORDS, it's clear that the proof you're looking for is provided in copious amounts.

Everything cited is in the public record.

It's not a lawsuit. If you're unable to even identify a lawsuit then it's not really surprising that comprehending this is beyond your abilities.

I apologize for exceeding your reading comprehension. I did not mean to make you look like a nitwit.

So, continuing, did you understand all the words in 1 - 15, or do you need help sounding them out?

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 9/1/2011 2:22:43 PM >


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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 8:44:12 PM   
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You make a sound point.

In my opinion, its a mixture of both ideological and racial issues. My mother chose not to be a product of her enviroment, which caused issues with some of my family who seem to be more than content with where they are in life(ideology), and being essentially a race traitor because of who she decided to bear children with (racial). Both are sad to me, no matter what way you look at it.


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

Threadjack

Although this could have been worded better (at the moment, i'm not exactly sure how...pretty "nail on the head"), and i'm not exactly sure how it relates to the topic at hand, other than Rice and Powell being mentioned, I don't think this is worth getting upset over.

I've been told I have this "syndrome", I am one, or something to that extent at least once a year since I turned 14 and lived in the US.

Rice, Powell, and also Obama, are essentially the polar opposite of what the majority of the African-American populatition consider to be real black people. Uppity, snooty,"oreos", who lack the ability to "keep it real".

Keep what real?

The argument from that view point is typically that they are trying to present themselves as Caucasian, as if they are ashamed of being African-American. For instance, Rice grew up in racially segregated Birmingham, Alabama, which by short definition would be the ghetto.

A portion of the African-American population cannot distinguish being ghetto from living in the ghetto. The latter being irrelevant (in my opinion) since its something you cannot help, and it depends on the individual if they choose to leave their surroundings and what they do with themselves once they leave.

While visiting a family member from my mother's side who was in a nursing home, my mother and I were put in the position of being in a room with many people who essentially looked down on my mother and had no qualms about letting her know how they felt about her. She graduated in the top portion of her high school class of a predominantly. Caucasian school, went off and became a translator for the UN, moved to england, and settled down with my father : a white, Jewish man. And merely by her being my mother, I am no better.

That's where I heard the terminology that HannahLynHeather used for the first time.

I guess it was jarring to see that somebody of another race said it (I don't know how the OP really felt about it), but it is what it is.


/Threadjack.





quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i just thought of something. rice and powell are both black. the uppity n****r syndrome maybe?



I think there is some difference between your experiences and Powell/Rice/Thomas. They are seen as "race traitors" because they are not liberals, (although Powell straddles the line and isnt attacked as vehemently)...it is no longer a race issue but an ideology issue. Growing up in the era I did I felt much of the de rigeur "white guilt". It wasn't until I read the brilliant writings of Clarence Thomas that I was able to examine the issues intellectually and not emotionally.

Obama's still nearly monolithic support amongst blacks despite being only half black and easily assused of being an "uppity Negro" is ample evidence that the issue is more ideological than racial in the 21st century.


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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 9:28:28 PM   
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I liked Powell. I was hoping to see him on the ticket last time. Apparently he's too smart to do anything as stupid as run for president though. 


I like Powell too. If he had run in 2000, I would have voted for him, and I'm a Dem. That said, I remember Powell saying in an interview that he wouldn't run against Bush and that he'd wait his turn. His turn will never materialize thanks to his speech before the UN.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 10:50:23 PM   
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Here's how I explain Chaney, although the VP needs no explanation. Yet another man better for the job than your Dear Leader. You ought to focus on what your idiotic Dear Leader is doing to the country.

As we've come to expect...nothing whatever to do with this post, just another meaningless partisan jab.

Dick Cheney may have been the the VP of the US to be the closest to the mind set off Hitler. Truly a neo-con and an American capitalist fascist.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/1/2011 11:06:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

Here's how I explain Chaney, although the VP needs no explanation. Yet another man better for the job than your Dear Leader. You ought to focus on what your idiotic Dear Leader is doing to the country.

As we've come to expect...nothing whatever to do with this post, just another meaningless partisan jab.

Dick Cheney may have been the the VP of the US to be the closest to the mind set off Hitler. Truly a neo-con and an American capitalist fascist.


LMAO. With the clown who is VP now youve got a tough case to make against Cheney or any other VP.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/2/2011 7:18:09 AM   
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Discrimination comes in many forms and what you saw in that hospital room was just one example of it. Its a story that is seen throughout all our lives in the community. you are right that many want to be "ghetto" without actually ever having stepped a foot in one. The vast majority of our people have never had one foot in cabrini or watts. But, I'd say everyone in that room knew the facts that there is no 'oreo". There is a society that you have to live and work in that has a set of rules. Whether you like those rules or not is immaterial. Its how the game is played. If you want to succeed you play that game. If not, you won't succeed. The point for our people is that this is the same set of rules for us as any kid from appalachia or one from east la or jersey. You gotta lose the rough edges and put on some shine or you aren't going to make it. Its that part that we lose sight of. Or in other words class envy knows no color. From Puff Daddy to Beyonce to Kobe Bryant that is true. They know that they had to have that shine and have it. I mean spike went to morehouse and graduated nyu......he is a nerd not nobody's dawg....

Will it change?  I don't know I wish it was. I wish Black Folk with lighter skin and darker skin wouldn't look at each other the way they do. All we can do is take care of ourselves and try to make better.

You know, YBD, this is probably the best thing I've seen you post.  On this, or any other subject.

Where has this young man been hiding all this time?

Firm




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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/2/2011 9:03:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Discrimination comes in many forms and what you saw in that hospital room was just one example of it. Its a story that is seen throughout all our lives in the community. you are right that many want to be "ghetto" without actually ever having stepped a foot in one. The vast majority of our people have never had one foot in cabrini or watts. But, I'd say everyone in that room knew the facts that there is no 'oreo". There is a society that you have to live and work in that has a set of rules. Whether you like those rules or not is immaterial. Its how the game is played. If you want to succeed you play that game. If not, you won't succeed. The point for our people is that this is the same set of rules for us as any kid from appalachia or one from east la or jersey. You gotta lose the rough edges and put on some shine or you aren't going to make it. Its that part that we lose sight of. Or in other words class envy knows no color. From Puff Daddy to Beyonce to Kobe Bryant that is true. They know that they had to have that shine and have it. I mean spike went to morehouse and graduated nyu......he is a nerd not nobody's dawg....

Will it change?  I don't know I wish it was. I wish Black Folk with lighter skin and darker skin wouldn't look at each other the way they do. All we can do is take care of ourselves and try to make better.

You know, YBD, this is probably the best thing I've seen you post.  On this, or any other subject.

Where has this young man been hiding all this time?

Firm





His mom wrote it and he cut and paste it obv.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/2/2011 11:06:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Discrimination comes in many forms and what you saw in that hospital room was just one example of it. Its a story that is seen throughout all our lives in the community. you are right that many want to be "ghetto" without actually ever having stepped a foot in one. The vast majority of our people have never had one foot in cabrini or watts. But, I'd say everyone in that room knew the facts that there is no 'oreo". There is a society that you have to live and work in that has a set of rules. Whether you like those rules or not is immaterial. Its how the game is played. If you want to succeed you play that game. If not, you won't succeed. The point for our people is that this is the same set of rules for us as any kid from appalachia or one from east la or jersey. You gotta lose the rough edges and put on some shine or you aren't going to make it. Its that part that we lose sight of. Or in other words class envy knows no color. From Puff Daddy to Beyonce to Kobe Bryant that is true. They know that they had to have that shine and have it. I mean spike went to morehouse and graduated nyu......he is a nerd not nobody's dawg....

Will it change?  I don't know I wish it was. I wish Black Folk with lighter skin and darker skin wouldn't look at each other the way they do. All we can do is take care of ourselves and try to make better.

You know, YBD, this is probably the best thing I've seen you post.  On this, or any other subject.

Where has this young man been hiding all this time?

Firm





His mom wrote it and he cut and paste it obv.


Thanks but my mom died when I was a child.

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/2/2011 5:02:30 PM   
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Here's one explanation DYB.

According to Powell's ex-Chief of Staff, Cheney needs vindication and worries (quite rightly) about possible war crimes charges. (That's when Cheney is not shooting his friends!)

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/3/2011 5:21:31 AM   
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I thought the chimp had written himself and his organ grinder a no strings pardon before leaving office?

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RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney - 9/3/2011 6:10:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

Here's how I explain Chaney, although the VP needs no explanation. Yet another man better for the job than your Dear Leader. You ought to focus on what your idiotic Dear Leader is doing to the country.


Hey Wyatt Earp, is it ever possible for you to stay on topic instead of somehow relating everything to Obama?

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