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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 8/31/2011 10:09:43 PM

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Pretty socially and environmentally irresponsible to have more than a couple of kids considering the state of the world. I especially love the moms with six kids who feel they are being green by using fabric grocery bags. Get a clue. The population of the world was 3 billion when I was born. In my lifetime it has more than doubled. Do people really believe the world will support an unlimited number of people with any kind of quality of life? Not looking that way.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 8/31/2011 10:16:40 PM

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Personally, I would have loved to have a large family as described by Siamsa, home schooling and all. As it turned out, my then husband and I decided on one, so I do try to use your argument when I'm feeling down about not having more kids.

However...you wouldn't believe the shit I get from people about having only one child. So that's something that will have to change as well...and I do believe it is changing. Parents should have multiple children because they want to, not because they're being judged about having only one.

Now I'm depressed again. Dammit.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 8/31/2011 10:19:52 PM

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Thinking about a world with 7 billion people is pretty depressing, all right. And I know people who get a lot of shit for deciding not to have offspring at all. I think they are doing a public service.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 2:54:07 AM

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We didn't use fabric grocery bags because we didn't grocery shop very often. We lived out in the middle of nowhere and raised, grew or otherwise provided much of our own food (my mom even ground her own wheat for flour). I know that's not the popular way to "be green" and ours was an economical, not environmental, choice, but it is "more green" then hopping into an SUV, driving to the nearest "organic grocery store", purchasing a ton of produce individually wrapped in plastic and then driving back home again.
But, I guess by having more then 2.5 kids my family has upset the delicate balance of nature, someone call Al Gore......

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 5:01:17 AM

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I just want to say, thanks for enlightening me. Sure, there are still people saying terrible things about gays and entire organizations dedicated to taking away their rights and spreading fear and misinformation about them, but I had NO IDEA about a more grave situation: hatred against people in large families.

Are there large families getting bullied into suicide? Are people getting beaten up just on suspicion of being from a large family? Are the large family pride parades so that young people from large families know that there are others like them and that they don't have to feel ashamed? Do people have to "come out" as being from a large family? Is Westboro Baptist Church picketing outside of daycare centers with signs that say, "God Hates Broods?"

Or... is it a subconscious need to change the subject rather than try to defend the indefensible?

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 5:10:35 AM

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 5:16:28 AM

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After thinking more on this woman's rant, two things came to mind.

First, as I have previously mentioned on these Forums, my maternal Grandmother was, frankly, a bigot. Part of it came from how society was when she was born and grew into adulthood, being born in 1888 in Philadelphia, PA. In her eyes, the only good people in the world were white Episcopalians who could trace their ancestry to England. All others were, at best, second-class citizens. In her eyes, a "mixed marriage" was a white Methodist marrying a white Lutheran.

In either 1960 or 1961 (I was 8 or 9 then so memory isn't too specific on dates), she was in a local city park and saw a black man and a white woman walking by, holding hands. She found a policeman and demanded he arrest the couple for "immoral behavior". The policeman of course refused, saying the couple was not breaking any laws. My Grandmother returned home, fuming with rage - and never entered that park again for the remainder of her life (She died in 1978).

Reading this woman's rant, I couldn't help thinking of how much she resembles my late Grandmother.

Second, though I have no specific knowledge, I am struck with some of this women's comments on this and other blog entries that she sounds like a follower of the "Quiverfull" movement (Quiverfull - Wikipedia).

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Quiverfull is a movement among some conservative evangelical Christian couples chiefly in the United States, but with some adherents in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain and elsewhere. It promotes procreation, and sees children as a blessing from God, eschewing all forms of birth control, including natural family planning and sterilization...Currently several thousand Christians worldwide identify with this movement.

One aspect of the "Quiverfull" movement is the fear that a specific group (i.e. in this woman's case conservative white Roman Catholics) are being demographically outnumbered by people not of their group, so they must have larger and larger families to "correct" the imbalance.

Not all large families, of course, come from the "Quiverfull" mindset, but this specific woman sounds a lot like them.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 5:28:27 AM

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Pretty socially and environmentally irresponsible to have more than a couple of kids considering the state of the world

I've read some fairly irresponsible and rediculous statements on CM. But so far, this is the most narrow minded, pompous thing I've seen.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 6:48:03 AM

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Al gore is a hypocritical moron. Has 4 kids. Some environmentalist.

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But, I guess by having more then 2.5 kids my family has upset the delicate balance of nature, someone call Al Gore......

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 7:06:47 AM

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From the bigot's blog:

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We all know what would happen if I asked two men or two women to stop displaying, right in front of me and my children, that they live in sodomy...

Yeah, lady (I use the term strictly for politeness' sake), we all know what would happen... after expressing your opinion, they would express theirs... and you would get even more bent out of shape.

Bigots like this are annoying but they are nothing to get too worked up about. They are somebody who can't handle the world being other than what they (have been raised) to believe it should be... something that seems to be a natural human condition that takes thought and reflection to break out of. I wouldn't worry too much about the kids, what will be will be. I read somewhere that one of Fred Phelp's grandaughters, unable to live swimming in hate 24/7, broke away from that demented clan (she is, of course, a hell bound sinner now). She had been raised with their sick ideology since birth so if she could find in herself the spirit to question and think for herself then I hold out hope for the poor park lady's children.

But bigotry of any kind is still bigotry. I know many Catholics who are decent, warm hearted people and they do not deserve to be judged by such people like the poor park lady (truth be told, I feel more pity then anger for her). No one deserves to be judge on the actions or beliefs of others who hold (real or imagined) similarites... many of which are superficial anyway.

The biogtry toward lage families is also disturbing. Does a woman have the right to control her womb or doesn't she... or does it depend, for you (that's a general "you", not a specific) upon wether she makes the "right" choice?

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 7:12:58 AM

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There actually should be places where people can live in segregation, each among their own "type" or whatever. But there aren't, the only segregation you can get is economic.

Not exactly true.

During the late '80's and the '90's there was trend on many colleges for black only dorms or latino or gay only dorms, etc. I don't know if the trend has continued or abated since then.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 7:39:25 AM

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I am not to wanting to see people kissy kissy in public. To include straight people - like get a room.

Yet- for every lady like her- these same people at the pool - are often in areas where they can not let on they are gay.

The thing is- alot of heterosexuals feel like it is a take over. I think they have nothing to fear- but you can not tell them that.. because they are set in their opinion.

No one is going to "turn gay". Straight is the preferred lifestyle. It is just how it is. In the mean time- live and let live.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 7:52:26 AM

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No one has touched these factors:

The community legalized gay marriage did I read correctly several years ago. She doesn't know how she'll address her children's questions when they come up and ask why the two men at the pool were so close. She doesn't know what she'll say about the child at the park having two mommies (or was it four and just she was made perfectly aware of one of the two couples?) SHE could move to small towns anywhere (especially middle of the country states) and not run into this so frequently as to be disturbed, or take as much notice.

My Advice to her however is to get those questions answers!!! She is a church-goer, no? She should have scriptural reference points for explaining that some people "live in sin." She should be able to adapt answers to her children's age and maturity levels, but as a mother in that community of that many children... SHE should be out there looking for answers to their potential questions.

She shouldn't however assert her fears and observances on the innocent children. IF they noticed the two men rubbing elbows, maybe they will suspect they are brothers or cousins and not gay men? Maybe the two women of the same child they will think come from some split family instead of being lesbian mom's. Or that, dare-I-say it, the child doesn't know the difference between "mommy" and "aunt" (Children do after all go through such a stage developmentally around the age of two.) And thus suspect that one is truly the child's mom and one is the mom's sister. HOWEVER noticing their own mom, either making faces about the couple or making mumblings will cue them in right away!!!

Also, does she want to bring her children up in blissful ignorance or does she want to bring them up to make the right choices (ultimately the ones she agrees with). The blissful ignorance one is not going to happen. For after all she lives in very populated, diverse, Boston. Secondly we have this marvelous invention... the internet! Not to mention television.

IF I was her and I was raising even two kids, even at the age of two, I would be planning, How do I address the questions of homosexuality? at what age would normal children inquire of such things? what developmental levels should they reach before discussing the various nature's of such things as sex? and in her case "How do I express to my children the importance of their scriptures and of staying morally clean?" I.e. how do I counter the community and instill my values.

Rather than taking them to a park and worrying basically myself to death, that my eight year old (I think that was her oldest) might observe a gblt couple holding hands, making out even (which I didn't read about happening here), or being called "Mommies/daddies" by one or several children.

Instead this woman seems unprepared to deal with the questions she knows will come. Unwilling to address with her children what she clearly considers the moral decay of her community.

And so she whines "I can't even go to the park!" primarily as a poster here said because she herself is making observations and reaching conclusions about people that perhaps she should not be watching so carefully (Mrs. Cravitz was referenced)... are her observations and deductions even right? IS she sure she's seeing gay couples embrace or might it have been that sisterly hug/ brothers or just really great college and beyond friends "rubbing elbows"

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 8:03:03 AM

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Part of me hopes every single one of her perfect Catholic kids will turn out gay just to spite her, but then that would probably be a regrettable thing for them all things considered. Instead I'll just hope there's a special place in Hell for bigots. Preferably one with sodomy.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 8:59:49 AM

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i think the girls and i should round up all our less-than-het friends and do a road trip.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 9:20:10 AM

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There actually should be places where people can live in segregation, each among their own "type" or whatever. But there aren't, the only segregation you can get is economic. See I believe that there should be exclusive communities should one wish to join them. White, Black, Hispanic, that's not even the beginning. Here we used to have little Italy. There are other "little" this and "little" that. It's not enforced by law of course, I don't think it should be prevented by law either, but it is.

That is hard for people to face, that this is one of the rights that we do not have, to live in a community of our liking, that is unless of course we have enough money to live in a gated community and have control over who may enter. That ideal is not for the proletariat.

You go ahead and think of me what you will but I resent not having that right. Would I enjoin this Woman's idyllic community ? I don't think so. I don't think they would enjoy my music, parties and the guests thereat. I don't think I would enjoy their church socials and square dances. But unlike others who give lip service to freedom, I don't think she should be deprived of the right to live in a community that is aligned with her standards and beliefs.

To me, to say otherwise is to espouse the idea that we need to shove homosexuality, as well as kink for that matter, down people's throats.

To recap, I do not agree with this Woman, but I think it's wrong that she cannot find an environment in which she can be comfortable.

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Where the hell have you been?

Little Italy is still alive and well.

I take it you didn't make it to the Feast a few weeks ago.

But you are using a poor example.

Just like Slavic Village, these communities retain an ethnic heritage but they are fully integrated with people of all races and ethnicity.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 9:28:35 AM

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"they live in sodomy..."

I guess she has never taken it up the ass.

Poor worn out old cunt, has nothing better to do than worry about explaining different types of love to her precious angels.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 11:00:55 AM

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I can not help wondering if her homophobia is such that she is seeing what she perceives to be homosexual/immoral behavior simply because she is living in a state in which people are allowed to marry irrespective to gender; that much of what she is finding offensive is just same gendered people who are not actually involved with each other but have either familial or friendship based relationships.

I think she would find Europe to be impossible to deal with as there is more openness regarding affectionate expression amongst relatives and friends of the same gender.

But what perplexes me is that she does have the option to move to a state that she perceives to be more "moral". If this is such a big deal to her then why not do that.

She declare herself as Catholic and Christian.
There are of course homosexual Catholics and Christians.

But if she thinks that the whole pedophile priest thing or pedophiles in general is of less danger to her kids than exposing them to people of consenting age who love one another then she has much bigger issues to worry about.

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 11:09:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i think the girls and i should round up all our less-than-het friends and do a road trip.

Y'all need a camera man to record this for posterity?

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RE: Woman whines "I Can't Even Go To The Park!" - 9/1/2011 12:10:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i think the girls and i should round up all our less-than-het friends and do a road trip.

Y'all need a camera man to record this for posterity?

I'll be the boom operator! Gotta have sound!

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
Al gore is a hypocritical moron. Has 4 kids. Some environmentalist

Shh, the grown ups are talking.

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