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DeviantlyD -> RE: Its not a revenue problem; it is a spending problem (9/5/2011 7:42:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle One way to free up a lot of $ in your economy is to bring your ridiculously inefficient healthcare system in line with comparable Western healthcare systems. The US currently spends c15% of its GDP on healthcare and gets a rotten system that leaves tens of millions of Americans uncovered or under-covered. Most Western economies spend less than 9% of GDP and get universal coverage. Health stats indicate that in many areas (eg. infant mortality) the US lags far behind Western norms. So by getting yourselves a sensible ('socialised') healthcare system you'd have a win-win situation. More healthcare for ALL Americans less $, $ that could be deployed more productively elsewhere in your economy as you guys see fit. It's a no-brainer. I support this. :) IMHO this country should be absolutely ashamed that any of its citizens have no healthcare and equally ashamed that a single person should go bankrupt because of health care costs. I see people who are not entitled to taxpayer covered healthcare (illegal immigrants) get coverage and those who should get healthcare don't. Edited to qualify a statement.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Its not a spending problem; it is a revenue problem (9/5/2011 10:24:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel quote: Another thought, why is raising taxes to pay down debt such an evil idea? That's what every other responsible generation has done when for whatever reason we've incurred high debt. When did not paying our debts become anything but anti-American? I have often wondered the same thing. I've come to a conclusion that many of the uber wealthy who argue the need for lower taxes simply don't care about this country or about their fellow man and the not-so-wealthy who buy into the claptrap are simply robotic in nature. When Ike raised taxes to 93% it didn't cause companies to close their doors, it didn't even cause a single wealthy family to lose their assets. What happened was the country entered into a boom-era of manufacturing Total bullshit. There were 3 long recessions during the Eisenhower administrations 8 years, Eisenhower never increased tax rates, and the marginal rate wasnt 93%. If you cant even get simple facts straight, its no wonder you cant actually form a reasoned opinion about the subject. It took Kennedy's tax cuts to get us out of a prolonged period of 2.5% GDP growth.

Sanity -> RE: Its not a spending problem; it is a revenue problem (9/6/2011 3:56:18 AM)
Thats why theyre suffering massive austerity riots, their socialist systems are "efficient" [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle One way to free up a lot of $ in your economy is to bring your ridiculously inefficient healthcare system in line with comparable Western healthcare systems. The US currently spends c15% of its GDP on healthcare and gets a rotten system that leaves tens of millions of Americans uncovered or under-covered. Most Western economies spend less than 9% of GDP and get universal coverage. Health stats indicate that in many areas (eg. infant mortality) the US lags far behind Western norms. So by getting yourselves a sensible ('socialised') healthcare system you'd have a win-win situation. More healthcare for ALL Americans less $, $ that could be deployed more productively elsewhere in your economy as you guys see fit. It's a no-brainer.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Its not a spending problem; it is a revenue problem (9/6/2011 5:18:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel quote: Another thought, why is raising taxes to pay down debt such an evil idea? That's what every other responsible generation has done when for whatever reason we've incurred high debt. When did not paying our debts become anything but anti-American? I have often wondered the same thing. I've come to a conclusion that many of the uber wealthy who argue the need for lower taxes simply don't care about this country or about their fellow man and the not-so-wealthy who buy into the claptrap are simply robotic in nature. When Ike raised taxes to 93% it didn't cause companies to close their doors, it didn't even cause a single wealthy family to lose their assets. What happened was the country entered into a boom-era of manufacturing and it helped (along with the fight labor unions) to raise the middle class. Clinton raised taxes during his 8 years and created millions of jobs. Bush/Obama have given us low business taxes and few to zero job creation. Kinda tells me businesses tend to see the benefits of higher taxes. I agree, thats part of the big lie the rich and their toadies in congress would have you believe. That is you raise their taxes that it will kill the economy(already dead) and at the same time force them to leave. Where the fuck they going to go? Nowhere. Most of the Rich and their toadies are very un american and could give 5 shits about this country. The President needs to call these fuckers out once and for all. Lets get on with it

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