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He claims the second true plank is national defense, and laments the cronyism, corruption and waste.  I can go along with that.  Again though, in his description of Republicans as crazy hawks, he neglects to note the Mars worship of an administration which contends that assassination and war by remote control is an exclusive prerogative of the President. 

In the comment I highlighted are you suggesting that a self admitted terrorist who was responsible for thousands of deaths should not have been taken out?

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he's a GOP career operative.

ROFL So he was a career hypocrite, not at all unusual for libtards.

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who uses the term "libtard" is a complete fucking idiot.

Maybe you and a few other posters need to grow up a little.

But I think it's probably too late for you Willbeur. What are you, 60 now?

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Cantor walked out of the meeting rather than even negotiating on the proposal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8595729/Republicans-walk-out-of-US-budget-talks-over-taxes.html

And a very effective negotiating tactic that turned out to be, too.  That's what brought Obama to the table, where his own walk-out attempt fell flat on it's face.  Even Huffpo couldn't carry the water for that stupid exit line, about not calling his bluff.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/obama-debt-ceiling-meeting_n_897834.html

You may find the Republican "no taxes" position offensive and wrong, Ken, but that is what they went to the table to do, and it's what they did. 

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He claims the second true plank is national defense, and laments the cronyism, corruption and waste.  I can go along with that.  Again though, in his description of Republicans as crazy hawks, he neglects to note the Mars worship of an administration which contends that assassination and war by remote control is an exclusive prerogative of the President. 

In the comment I highlighted are you suggesting that a self admitted terrorist who was responsible for thousands of deaths should not have been taken out?

No, RML, I'm not.  I'm questioning the intellectual honesty of the author who laments the warlike GOP while ignoring the current administration's heartfelt embrace and expansion of drone attacks, and the President giving himself a "remote control" waiver on the War Powers Act.

If that's the best you can come up with to launch your point by point, don't be surprised if I give your questions all the merit of serious response they deserve.

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Cantor walked out of the meeting rather than even negotiating on the proposal.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8595729/Republicans-walk-out-of-US-budget-talks-over-taxes.html

And a very effective negotiating tactic that turned out to be, too.  That's what brought Obama to the table, where his own walk-out attempt fell flat on it's face.  Even Huffpo couldn't carry the water for that stupid exit line, about not calling his bluff.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/obama-debt-ceiling-meeting_n_897834.html

You may find the Republican "no taxes" position offensive and wrong, Ken, but that is what they went to the table to do, and it's what they did. 

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He claims the second true plank is national defense, and laments the cronyism, corruption and waste.  I can go along with that.  Again though, in his description of Republicans as crazy hawks, he neglects to note the Mars worship of an administration which contends that assassination and war by remote control is an exclusive prerogative of the President. 

In the comment I highlighted are you suggesting that a self admitted terrorist who was responsible for thousands of deaths should not have been taken out?

No, RML, I'm not.  I'm questioning the intellectual honesty of the author who laments the warlike GOP while ignoring the current administration's heartfelt embrace and expansion of drone attacks, and the President giving himself a "remote control" waiver on the War Powers Act.

If that's the best you can come up with to launch your point by point, don't be surprised if I give your questions all the merit of serious response they deserve.

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he's a GOP career operative.

ROFL So he was a career hypocrite, not at all unusual for libtards.

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who uses the term "libtard" is a complete fucking idiot.

Maybe you and a few other posters need to grow up a little.

But I think it's probably too late for you Willbeur. What are you, 60 now?

I came to the conclusion that youre a total waste of time long ago. What are you, 12 now?

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Just out of curiosity, I have to wonder how the GOP can expect to support two wars, keep the tax cuts for the wealthy and still balance the budget.

The math doesn't work unless the true goal is to gut all the social programs, which is what I suspect.

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Going after terrorists where ever they hide does not compare to an imperialistic invasion of a nation that had not attacked us.

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He starts with the fight over the debt ceiling, and finds it scandalous that the Congress has done this 87 times since WWII, without a ripple, but this time it was an issue.  Just how deep in the bowels of the system must he have been to see 63 seats change hands, yet have no understanding that the crazy spending and debt was a key element driving that wave? 

You missed his biggest point about this, which is crucial to your failure to understand what is so deeply wrong with your party.

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Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.

Of course it is what is RIGHT about today's GOP, not wrong. And he either obfuscates or doesnt understand the "billionaire hedge fund manager" taxation debate. Which it is becomes pretty obvious when he uses that descriptor.

So you're ready to defend carried interest? Last time it came up you ran away.

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You and many other conservatives here embraced the idea of removing Saddam and his eventual brutal execution.

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Just out of curiosity, I have to wonder how the GOP can expect to support two wars, keep the tax cuts for the wealthy and still balance the budget.

The math doesn't work unless the true goal is to gut all the social programs, which is what I suspect.

Your suspicion bears a striking resemblance to the daily talking point of the Obama '12 campaign, RML. 

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Going after terrorists where ever they hide does not compare to an imperialistic invasion of a nation that had not attacked us.

Gee, Ken, I guess this must not be going the way you'd hoped, if you are now trying to hijack your own thread to talk about Bush lying us into Iraq, huh?  Unless you are talking about Libya, which I sorta doubt.

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Funny, I dont remember it coming up, but if I had seen it I certainly wouldnt have run away from it. Carried interest carries risk much more akin to capital gains than it resembles a management fee, and thats the tax treatment it deserves.

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I've come to the conclusion that anyone who uses the term "libtard" is a complete fucking idiot.

Maybe you and a few other posters need to grow up a little.

But I think it's probably too late for you Willbeur. What are you, 60 now?

Coincidentally, I've come to the conclusion that posters who sling cheap shots at people while telling them to "grow up" are also complete fucking idiots.

K.

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Carried interest involves no risk.

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You and many other conservatives here embraced the idea of removing Saddam and his eventual brutal execution.

I don't speak for other conservatives here, RML, but that's a bullshit lie that I supported going in to Iraq.  Once it was done, we owned it as a nation, and I have said repeatedly that we were/are stuck there.  Since you want to go down this path, I'll also remind you that I have supported getting the fuck out of Afghanistan for years, and never liked that we went there to begin with.

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Using chemical weapons to slaughter your own people? All else aside, the world is a better place without Saddam Hussein.

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Then let's try to remove politics from the equation, though that may be impossible.

These tax cuts were meant to expire.

But now the GOP is portraying them as tax hikes.