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Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 10:43:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity This kind of mindless hate spew is typical of rudesub, pay him no mind quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Tweaks had it right, all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect. You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces. Lucky, is that you ? You are Talking out of your butt again Sanity. I didnt blame him for sending troops to Afghanistan, however I did blame him for Iraq. As you can see, unlike your posts on Obama I can be objective. It is laughable that you keep moaning about personal attacks, yet just cant stop making them yourself. I called you a hypocrite and you have just reinforced that opinion.

Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 10:48:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker I see. With the kingdom you are living in falling apart at the seams, extreme austerity measures and your military being sacked by the thousands, you still have the time and money to carry the white man's burden in Africa. Nothing like seeing the British lions Cameron and Clegg harnessed to the neo-Napoleon's triumphant Libyan chariot. A step down from being Bush the Younger's posse. So who is the UK going to be the hired help for next, Albania? But British see yourselves as being the victims of some racial bigotry now do you? Coming from the white ethnic group who invented everything from the Klan and the Orange Order to concentration camps and chattel slavery as imperial institutions, while ethnically cleansing whole continents with biological weapons, this is rich. But it is curious how this humanitarian concern only seems to appear in the UK and the rest of the EU as far as that goes, when there is money to be made for your ruling class. The historical inaccuracies in your post are staggering, and only serve to highlight your ignorance. You are comng across as some kind of racist yourself. Ethnic cleansing with biological weapons ? do you men the dope you are obviously smoking ?

Anaxagoras -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 11:43:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect. You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces. I mentioned before that I believed FirstQuaker is French-Canadian due to his slightly odd use of English and his comments about Canada suggesting some familiarity. There are occasional peaks of sectarian/separatist tension there from the French quarter. It would explain how he is up in arms about what he repeatedly calls the "anglo-sphere" which he lumps the US in with, goes on about British colonialism whilst ignoring the impact of the French equivalent including in the Mid-East, and obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue. Ah well, good luck to him and his viewpoint! [:)] Not very much in the way of a diverse education among you Zionists, I see. Anglosphere But since you don't think I criticized the Hungarian carpetbagger and his nation's oil imperialism and thievery enough, perhaps you should roast your French champions for us. You have everywhere from Haiti to Vietnam to work with, as a background to paint on. I'm not interested in roasting anyone. I don't have any "French champions" - WTF, you are an oddity! I'm not the one with what appears to be a hate agenda here! You are. [:D] Your use of the term "anglosphere" is problematic even according to the wiki link you provide! [:D] It's clear there isn't a decisive political connection in the so called "anglosphere" even according to its proponent. This fairly strong political connection is what you keep inferring so your claim is void. Speaking of broad Western interests is far more appropriate. Thank you for the label. I agree with the values of Zionism and have defended Israel a good deal so I would be fairly described as pro-Israeli, a stance I'm not ashamed of but I'm not a Zionist (although I'm sure some pro-Palestinians will laugh at that even though they are hypocritical enough not to admit to being pro-Palestinian) as Zionism certainly doesn't represent a major reflection of my views, Israel being quite a distant political reality from where I live. I notice BTW you haven't denied you're a French-Canadian separatist? [:D]

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 12:57:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker I see. With the kingdom you are living in falling apart at the seams, extreme austerity measures and your military being sacked by the thousands, you still have the time and money to carry the white man's burden in Africa. Nothing like seeing the British lions Cameron and Clegg harnessed to the neo-Napoleon's triumphant Libyan chariot. A step down from being Bush the Younger's posse. So who is the UK going to be the hired help for next, Albania? But British see yourselves as being the victims of some racial bigotry now do you? Coming from the white ethnic group who invented everything from the Klan and the Orange Order to concentration camps and chattel slavery as imperial institutions, while ethnically cleansing whole continents with biological weapons, this is rich. But it is curious how this humanitarian concern only seems to appear in the UK and the rest of the EU as far as that goes, when there is money to be made for your ruling class. The historical inaccuracies in your post are staggering, and only serve to highlight your ignorance. You are comng across as some kind of racist yourself. Ethnic cleansing with biological weapons ? do you men the dope you are obviously smoking ? So you are historically ignorant as well? Lord Jeffrey Amherst's letters discussing germ warfare against American Indians I thought people like you were proud of this and regarded it as an accomplishment. But back to how discussing the CIA and MI6 and their cozy relationship with KDaffy is bigoted against the British.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 1:03:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 all your posts come across full of bigotry and bias. The drivel you post often factually incorrect. You see all Europeans as warmongers despite the reasons for helping the Libyans. You also seem to forget there was no intervention until Gaddafi threatend to massacre those in Benghazi and the NATO only intervened under a UN mandate. No doubt you would have been pleased if we had sat back and watched thousands get massacred by Gaddafis forces. I mentioned before that I believed FirstQuaker is French-Canadian due to his slightly odd use of English and his comments about Canada suggesting some familiarity. There are occasional peaks of sectarian/separatist tension there from the French quarter. It would explain how he is up in arms about what he repeatedly calls the "anglo-sphere" which he lumps the US in with, goes on about British colonialism whilst ignoring the impact of the French equivalent including in the Mid-East, and obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue. Ah well, good luck to him and his viewpoint! [:)] Not very much in the way of a diverse education among you Zionists, I see. Anglosphere But since you don't think I criticized the Hungarian carpetbagger and his nation's oil imperialism and thievery enough, perhaps you should roast your French champions for us. You have everywhere from Haiti to Vietnam to work with, as a background to paint on. I'm not interested in roasting anyone. I don't have any "French champions" - WTF, you are an oddity! I'm not the one with what appears to be a hate agenda here! You are. [:D] Your use of the term "anglosphere" is problematic even according to the wiki link you provide! [:D] It's clear there isn't a decisive political connection in the so called "anglosphere" even according to its proponent. This fairly strong political connection is what you keep inferring so your claim is void. Speaking of broad Western interests is far more appropriate. Thank you for the label. I agree with the values of Zionism and have defended Israel a good deal so I would be fairly described as pro-Israeli, a stance I'm not ashamed of but I'm not a Zionist (although I'm sure some pro-Palestinians will laugh at that even though they are hypocritical enough not to admit to being pro-Palestinian) as Zionism certainly doesn't represent a major reflection of my views, Israel being quite a distant political reality from where I live. I notice BTW you haven't denied you're a French-Canadian separatist? [:D] Whatever a mentalist and web psychiatrist like you says must be true. And even I had not considered Rupert Murdoch such a British cultural icon, (apparently rivaling the Queen herself) that dissing him is bigoted against the British. "obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue." (Your post 59) (You do know he is from Australia or do all the Anglos look the same to you?) And from Wiki - quote: Anglosphere is a neologism which refers to those nations with English as the most common language. The term can be used more specifically to refer to those nations which share certain characteristics within their cultures based on a linguistic heritage, through being former British colonies. In particular this includes the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada (except Quebec), Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland. So which part of this do you think I misread, thereby wrongfully making the US part of the Anglosphere?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 1:59:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker So you are historically ignorant as well? Lord Jeffrey Amherst's letters discussing germ warfare against American Indians I thought people like you were proud of this and regarded it as an accomplishment. \ No, he's not an Amherst "truther" that buys into this nonsense.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 2:05:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker So you are historically ignorant as well? Lord Jeffrey Amherst's letters discussing germ warfare against American Indians I thought people like you were proud of this and regarded it as an accomplishment. \ No, he's not an Amherst "truther" that buys into this nonsense. Doubtless.

Anaxagoras -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 3:05:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker Whatever a mentalist and web psychiatrist like you says must be true. You must think me eminently qualified but the thruth is it doesn't require much skill to read you as an individual. Others have as well. [:)] quote: And even I had not considered Rupert Murdoch such a British cultural icon, (apparently rivaling the Queen herself) that dissing him is bigoted against the British. "obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue." (Your post 59) (You do know he is from Australia or do all the Anglos look the same to you?) Try to obfuscate but the fact remains it was/is principally a British news story relating to British media institutions and in part British government. quote: And from Wiki - quote: Anglosphere is a neologism which refers to those nations with English as the most common language. The term can be used more specifically to refer to those nations which share certain characteristics within their cultures based on a linguistic heritage, through being former British colonies. In particular this includes the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada (except Quebec), Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland. So which part of this do you think I misread, thereby wrongfully making the US part of the Anglosphere? More obfuscation. The point I clearly made is that the notion of a so called "anglosphere" doesn't have a decisive political connection even according to its proponent in the source you cite. Thus the strong geo-political connection you keep inferring in your posts is not applicable. As I said speaking of broad Western (US/European) interests is far more appropriate but because you have issues with the English/British, you selectively use a relatively uncommon term instead.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 3:24:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker Whatever a mentalist and web psychiatrist like you says must be true. You must think me eminently qualified but the thruth is it doesn't require much skill to read you as an individual. Others have as well. [:)] quote: And even I had not considered Rupert Murdoch such a British cultural icon, (apparently rivaling the Queen herself) that dissing him is bigoted against the British. "obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue." (Your post 59) (You do know he is from Australia or do all the Anglos look the same to you?) Try to obfuscate but the fact remains it was/is principally a British news story relating to British media institutions and in part British government. quote: And from Wiki - quote: Anglosphere is a neologism which refers to those nations with English as the most common language. The term can be used more specifically to refer to those nations which share certain characteristics within their cultures based on a linguistic heritage, through being former British colonies. In particular this includes the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada (except Quebec), Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland. So which part of this do you think I misread, thereby wrongfully making the US part of the Anglosphere? More obfuscation. The point I clearly made is that the notion of a so called "anglosphere" doesn't have a decisive political connection even according to its proponent in the source you cite. Thus the strong geo-political connection you keep inferring in your posts is not applicable. As I said speaking of broad Western (US/European) interests is far more appropriate but because you have issues with the English/British, you selectively use a relatively uncommon term instead. Back for more punishment are you? I am certain you are a legend to yourself. So in your mind Rupert Murdoch is someone only the British should have any concern over, and this is a UK family affair? And since you clearly did not know what the Anglosphere (a common word BTW) is, you now wish to conceal that fact by telling me the definition contained in normal sources is wrong and only you know what the real meaning of the word is. Judging from handiwork contained your various literary attempts here in these forums I suspect you actually work as a consultant for the Fourth Reich there in Brussels. But get back to telling me how bigoted to the poor little Brits it is to start a thread on how the CIA and MI6 were hazing the new leaders of Libyan by kidnapping and torturing them. I see the British are launching an inquiry into this interesting serious of events - Allegations that MI6 was involved in the rendition of Libyan terror suspects will be examined by an existing inquiry, David Cameron has said. Not that either the slackjaws in the US congress nor the black WASP in the white house will do a similar thing.

Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 3:27:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker So you are historically ignorant as well? Lord Jeffrey Amherst's letters discussing germ warfare against American Indians I thought people like you were proud of this and regarded it as an accomplishment. But back to how discussing the CIA and MI6 and their cozy relationship with KDaffy is bigoted against the British. "Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic." This, from your own link. I didnt say the story of the CIA, MI6 and Gaddafi was bigoted against the British. I said your posts were, please note the difference.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 3:45:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker So you are historically ignorant as well? Lord Jeffrey Amherst's letters discussing germ warfare against American Indians I thought people like you were proud of this and regarded it as an accomplishment. But back to how discussing the CIA and MI6 and their cozy relationship with KDaffy is bigoted against the British. "Some people have doubted these stories; other people, believing the stories, nevertheless assert that the infected blankets were not intentionally distributed to the Indians, or that Lord Jeff himself is not to blame for the germ warfare tactic." This, from your own link. I didnt say the story of the CIA, MI6 and Gaddafi was bigoted against the British. I said your posts were, please note the difference. So you have a reading comprehension problem and could only understand the preamble in the link? Try reading this final part a few times until it's general meaning sinks in - quote: Conclusion All in all, the letters provided here remove all doubt about the validity of the stories about Lord Jeff and germ warfare. The General's own letters sustain the stories. As to whether the plans actually were carried out, Parkman has this to say: ... in the following spring, Gershom Hicks, who had been among the Indians, reported at Fort Pitt that the small-pox had been raging for some time among them.... An additional source of information on the matter is the Journal of William Trent, commander of the local militia of the townspeople of Pittsburgh during Pontiac's seige of the fort. This Journal has been described as "... the most detailed contemporary account of the anxious days and nights in the beleaguered stronghold." [Pen Pictures of Early Western Pennsylvania, John W. Harpster, ed. (University of Pittsburgh Press, 1938).] Trent's entry for May 24, 1763, includes the following statement: ... we gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect. Trent's Journal confirms that smallpox had broken out in Fort Pitt prior to the correspondence between Bouquet and Amherst, thus making their plans feasible. It also indicates that intentional infection of the Indians with smallpox had been already approved by at least Captain Ecuyer at the fort, who some commentators have suggested was in direct correspondence with General Amherst on this tactic (though I have not yet found such letters). So now you claim history is bigoted against you Brits too? (And no, your buddy Anaxagoras said that bit about this thread itself being bigoted against Brits.)

Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 3:58:16 PM)
It wasnt a preamble. It isnt history either. It is subjecture from one mans book who himself claims (At the end of your last link) "Though I have not yet found the letters" If youre idea of a historical fact is a letter that no one has found, then good for you. It wont wash with me though. Forget Anex, I mentioned bigoted purely in reference to your posts, both here and elsewhere.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 4:15:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 It wasnt a preamble. It isnt history either. It is subjecture from one mans book who himself claims (At the end of your last link) "Though I have not yet found the letters" If youre idea of a historical fact is a letter that no one has found, then good for you. It wont wash with me though. Forget Anex, I mentioned bigoted purely in reference to your posts, both here and elsewhere. So you do have a reading comprehension problem. quote: Trent's Journal confirms that smallpox had broken out in Fort Pitt prior to the correspondence between Bouquet and Amherst, thus making their plans feasible. It also indicates that intentional infection of the Indians with smallpox had been already approved by at least Captain Ecuyer at the fort, who some commentators have suggested was in direct correspondence with General Amherst on this tactic (though I have not yet found such letters). So since he could not find some of the letters regarding a certain incident, all other letters he found regarding a myriad of other events were false. You went to Eton, right?

Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 4:27:06 PM)
Show me some proof and not from some B/s web site. Eton, yes you prick, we all went to Eton dont you know.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 4:28:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Eton, yes you prick, we all went to Eton dont you know. I am certain you did.

Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 4:36:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Eton, yes you prick, we all went to Eton dont you know. I am certain you did. You are certain of everything and right about nothing.

FirstQuaker -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 4:53:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Eton, yes you prick, we all went to Eton dont you know. I am certain you did. You are certain of everything and right about nothing. Did the British intellectual get his feelings hurt? Colonial Germ Warfare And in the latest turn - quote: Dominic Asquith, the former British ambassador to Cairo who arrived in Libya to reopen diplomatic ties this week, and is seeking a meeting with Abdulhakim Belhadj, the leader of the Tripoli Military Council. Mr Belhadj, a former Emir of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, told The Daily Telegraph that their meeting would be dominated by his recollections of his torture. Mr Belhadj was handed over to the CIA in 2004 after attempting to seek asylum through the British High Commission in Malaysia. He claims he was removed from a plane in Bangkok which he thought was taking him to asylum in Britain, taken to a secret jail in the city and beaten by CIA officers who had been tipped off by their British counterparts. MI6 later helped hand him over to the Gaddafi regime, which imprisoned him and tortured him further, he claims. And quote: He said yesterday that he was not motivated by revenge, but wanted an apology and was seeking legal advice about bringing an action against the British Government. “Any meeting I have with the British ambassador will all be about this case,” he said -- Libya: rebel leader who claims he was tortured to seek British apology Way to go,claiming you are giving him asylum and then turning him over to KDaffy.

Anaxagoras -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 7:50:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker Whatever a mentalist and web psychiatrist like you says must be true. You must think me eminently qualified but the thruth is it doesn't require much skill to read you as an individual. Others have as well. [:)] quote: And even I had not considered Rupert Murdoch such a British cultural icon, (apparently rivaling the Queen herself) that dissing him is bigoted against the British. "obsesses about negative stories from the UK like the Murdock issue." (Your post 59) (You do know he is from Australia or do all the Anglos look the same to you?) Try to obfuscate but the fact remains it was/is principally a British news story relating to British media institutions and in part British government. quote: And from Wiki - quote: Anglosphere is a neologism which refers to those nations with English as the most common language. The term can be used more specifically to refer to those nations which share certain characteristics within their cultures based on a linguistic heritage, through being former British colonies. In particular this includes the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada (except Quebec), Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland. So which part of this do you think I misread, thereby wrongfully making the US part of the Anglosphere? More obfuscation. The point I clearly made is that the notion of a so called "anglosphere" doesn't have a decisive political connection even according to its proponent in the source you cite. Thus the strong geo-political connection you keep inferring in your posts is not applicable. As I said speaking of broad Western (US/European) interests is far more appropriate but because you have issues with the English/British, you selectively use a relatively uncommon term instead. Back for more punishment are you? I am certain you are a legend to yourself. I gave you a good hiding before on the previous threads, almost every single thing you asserted was wrong. No doubt you are pretending otherwise, where your grip on world history and the British history in the mid-east was comical. quote: So in your mind Rupert Murdoch is someone only the British should have any concern over, and this is a UK family affair? Not at all. That is strawmanning, I was referring to you having an obsession, do try to stay on track. quote: And since you clearly did not know what the Anglosphere (a common word BTW) is, you now wish to conceal that fact by telling me the definition contained in normal sources is wrong and only you know what the real meaning of the word is. Again with the strawmanning. I don't have a problem with the source. I said the very source you used didn't back up the overtly political context in which you use it. quote: Judging from handiwork contained your various literary attempts here in these forums I suspect you actually work as a consultant for the Fourth Reich there in Brussels. Ahh you are a conspiracy loon to boot! This just keeps getting better and better! [:D] quote: But get back to telling me how bigoted to the poor little Brits it is to start a thread on how the CIA and MI6 were hazing the new leaders of Libyan by kidnapping and torturing them. Blah, blah, blah. I was replying to a post by Politesub which he appears to have ignored but thats his business. My post was in relation to what appears to be manifest bigotry, which others have observed too. I don't have any great sympathy for the British, and I didn't grow up in a country that does either but neither do I hate them so if I see a bigot I call it.

tweakabelle -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/6/2011 8:29:47 PM)
quote: So in your mind Rupert Murdoch is someone only the British should have any concern over, and this is a UK family affair? Sorry but I do feel obliged to inject a note of factuality here. Murdoch is a US citizen. I believe he currently resides in New York. While born in Australia, Murdoch acquired US citizenship in order to comply with certain regulations there about the ownership of media companies. Simultaneously he renounced his Australian citizenship, possibly the only action he's carried out in recent decades for which I feel any gratitude. What's happening in Libya is being driven by the broad mass of the Libyan people. While Ghadaffi did have several good points (eg free healthcare, generous aid to the rest of Africa, support for Palestinians etc) he also had many very nasty ones. Among them torture, murder, dictatorship etc. The bad far outweighed the good. It's perfectly clear that most Libyans are delighted to be free of his yoke. And my position is that I support whatever choices Libyans make for themselves. Libyans have clearly chosen that they don't wish to be ruled by someone who threatens genocide against his own people. Who wouldn't choose this? In this context, external support/intervention is justifiable. There is also a UN mandate authorising it - it complies with international law. I doubt any one here believes that European support for the Libyan rebels is for purely altruistic motives. For the Europeans it's all about oil, petrodollars (petroEuros?). Getting rid of mad murderous dictator provides a convenient excuse. Preventing a genocide is (for the Europeans) possibly secondary to this. Near-genocide is currently occurring in Congo but who cares? But it's a long way from that to claiming that the Libyan revolution is a project dreamt up in Paris or London. The Libyan revolution is being driven by the Libyan people. It's primary goals are to destroy Ghadaffi's brutal dictatorship and democracy. Who in their right minds can oppose such goals? As with any revolution, there are no guarantees about the outcome. All the developments thus far have been towards those goals and the first has already been effectively achieved. Let's hope that the Libyan revolution succeeds in its second main goal - the establishment of a democratic Republic of Libya.

Politesub53 -> RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy (9/7/2011 6:18:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker Did the British intellectual get his feelings hurt? One doesnt have to be intellectual to show that you dont know what you are talking about. Even your latest link states there is no proof of the smallpox story.

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