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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 11:50:13 AM

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I wanna keep her.. can we please?

LOL Who, me?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 11:54:13 AM

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washing cleaning, hoovering , dusting, mopping floors, washing car, cleaning yard, cleaning toilets, ironing clothes, gardening and yard work will take more than a couple of hours. You try to be so naive to make me feel bad
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Kevin, darlin, honey, sweetheart...

Stop being dillusional. If you are cleaning EVERYDAY, eventually (unless the Domme is a TOTAL, PURPOSEFUL slob) it would only take a hour or two a day (inside and out). Cooking, may take you four hours total (making her breakfast, something to bring to lunch and a very nice dinner). So, being generous, I am saying that you would work six hours a day. That isn't enough to expect everything else to be handed to you.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 11:55:34 AM

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I wanna keep her.. can we please?

LOL Who, me?

yep~!

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:01:49 PM

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yep~!

Ha ha.....well I might stick around for a few, anyway!

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:07:44 PM

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That's one way to look at it.

Another is that they're both going by the traditional roles in which the man earns money.

Another is that the men are tapping into 24/7 fantasies more than the women. There seem to be more men into fantasizing vs RL than women.

Yet another is that the women may have had experience with a freeloader and have decided they're not going there again, while the men haven't had RL experience yet.

And yet another is you have the majority of female dominants on here seeking money in one form or another, and most of them are scammers.

I'm sick of it.

You talk with someone and try to establish a relationship and 90% of the time it comes down to how much I am willing to "tribute".

You don't really understand the question that was posed.

How is it that a supposedly dominant woman expects to maintain what you call the traditional roles.

Would a man involved with a submissive woman expect her to support him?

So explain the double standard to me.

I'm very well able to take care of myself, but how can I view a woman as dominant when she is depending on me for financial support?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:10:21 PM

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And I'll add one more thing.

Your ability and desire to be responsible unto yourself and your personal well-being, including your personal financial security, speak volumes about your character.

Your ability and desire to be responsible unto yourself and your personal well-being, including your personal financial security, speak volumes about your ability to serve as a submissive.

Being a submissive (or a slave if you prefer) is not an escape from reality nor an abdication of personal responsibility for your own life. If you cannot look out for and work for yourself and your own life, only a fool would believe that you will look out for and work for someone else.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:22:56 PM

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the only correct definition is that there is no correct defnition.
This is not so, the word has a specific meaning, and it is arrogant and silly both to insist that it has a meaning other than it does. That you and many wish to use the word "slave" as merely a substitute to mean "submissive" does not make the meaning so. This is, of course, your entitlement, but do not expect to be taken with any seriousness when discussing the rights and responsibilities associated with slavery. If you wish to be considered other than a fantasist, then using a more accurate term such as "erotic slavery", or "simulated slavery", or even more accurately "submission", will have your opinion given what consideration is due to it, but until such time you are speaking of figs and grapes, and thus what you say has no relevance to what I have said.

Now I would enjoy the further exchange of ideas and thoughts, but My Beloved Helena has reminded me that I must now away to the city to meet with my brokerage house, as I find I must further liquidate some investments in order to continue to meet my financial obligations with regard to My Beloved Miryam's medical care, and the support of both of My Beloveds as we will be staying in America yet longer. This is not a pleasant thing to have to do, but it is but my duty as their owner. And this is as it should be.

I wish you all a pleasant afternoon, and I pray My Goddess smile upon you all and bless you and those you love (and this extends to the cats of GreedyTop) and also as well that She grant you success in all your endeavours.

Be at peace and live in joy
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Hey AneNoz! Your use of the language gives a formal - and therefore bad - impression. Please try not to talk like a fifteenth century corpse of a noble lineage that someone somewhere dug up, okay?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:27:36 PM

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well said, Rule

*blink*
Did I just agree with Rule?

*grins*

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:41:35 PM

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This is the difference you focus on and could see between male and female dominant's? Humm...

Look, some may have a financial interest or lifestyle standards, but do you know how many men in the last few years that have been nearly homeless, homeless, ready to be relocated within weeks or are looking for someone to take care of them, that are out there? Lots. I have even seen guys complaining that domina's wouldn't take care of them! Personally, I am not into money or things and want time and a good guy. Anything he brings to the table is extra, but I don't want a lazy guy that didn't even try to do well in life, making my home his simply because of poor choices or the economy.

So while you are trying to point out that women are materialistic... are always concerned more what is in the back pocket than the front... you kind of look silly, focusing on the negative you may see and not seeing the positives that are out there and clear to see to those that have eyes and a stable balance and view of many things.

I like househusbands... I am just not supporting them anymore. Have you seen the economy and what has gone on socially for decades? It is truly a two income thing.

Good going on boxing us all in... you just put yourself into a box.

So, dominant men should support submissive women but the reverse should not happen?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:53:27 PM

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And I'll add one more thing.

Your ability and desire to be responsible unto yourself and your personal well-being, including your personal financial security, speak volumes about your character.

Your ability and desire to be responsible unto yourself and your personal well-being, including your personal financial security, speak volumes about your ability to serve as a submissive.

Being a submissive (or a slave if you prefer) is not an escape from reality nor an abdication of personal responsibility for your own life. If you cannot look out for and work for yourself and your own life, only a fool would believe that you will look out for and work for someone else.

That depends on how you want to define slavery.

If you want to talk true slavery then it is abdicating personal responsibility and surrendering it to someone else.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 12:57:28 PM

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Yeah that is an oxymoron but then there are a lot regarding Women. For example if a man hits a Woman he is an abuser , if a Woman hits a man he deserved it. i mean where is the equality in that. It strikes me ironic that Women are fighting for equality and insist on being treated as an equal to men but only on their terms. Will Women for example consent to putting their lives on the line like men do in the army? No . And then they turn around and claim discrimination well sorry but thats not how it works
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:00:52 PM

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Very good point. How can anyone view anyone as authentically dominant if they are beholden to them for money. It doesnt make sense at all. But like i say a lot of things about Women and i make no apologies for saying this Ladies is to put it politely mystifying. Bottom line is if a Lady accepts a servant as a slave and is happy to have him as Her servant, then thats what he provides service. Since when did service mean anything financial. service is the doing of chores. it is what people get paid for in vanilla, slave service would be the doing of chores for zero benefit the fact that it costs to keep the slave, well thats part of the deal im afraid
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:02:48 PM

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Haha! I know a lot, and I do mean a lot, of Master/slave or Male Dom/female sub couples.

Of those I know, not one allows for the slave/sub to be a 'stay at home' partner.

Men might not put it in their profiles simply because plenty of women understand this already. There are no free rides.

However, the amount of messages I get from men who will do anything and everything for me under the assumption they are going to be squatting at my house would lead me to believe that it is necessary to point out that it will never happen.

Bullshit!

You know so many masters but not one of them has a live-in submissive?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:07:54 PM

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You would be surprised how much time a day's domestic work will take. Stop being so cynical embittered and dismissive. And anyway six hours gratis is a sacrifice and yes it is enough. Think of all the money the Lady is saving by not having to pay someone to do this which She would otherwise have to do as She is at work during the day
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:11:57 PM

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This is the difference you focus on and could see between male and female dominant's? Humm...

Look, some may have a financial interest or lifestyle standards, but do you know how many men in the last few years that have been nearly homeless, homeless, ready to be relocated within weeks or are looking for someone to take care of them, that are out there? Lots. I have even seen guys complaining that domina's wouldn't take care of them! Personally, I am not into money or things and want time and a good guy. Anything he brings to the table is extra, but I don't want a lazy guy that didn't even try to do well in life, making my home his simply because of poor choices or the economy.

So while you are trying to point out that women are materialistic... are always concerned more what is in the back pocket than the front... you kind of look silly, focusing on the negative you may see and not seeing the positives that are out there and clear to see to those that have eyes and a stable balance and view of many things.

I like househusbands... I am just not supporting them anymore. Have you seen the economy and what has gone on socially for decades? It is truly a two income thing.

Good going on boxing us all in... you just put yourself into a box.

So, dominant men should support submissive women but the reverse should not happen?

Where have I said that? I don't care what other people do in their personal lives, we are all adults and can decide what we want to do. I am just not able to support a househusband any longer... and do note... I do not have one. In fact, I just wrote about this in my journal not too long ago. About househusbands and further into the journal about dominants that ask/demand a submissive stays at home and how risky that is if they are not supporting them and taking care of all costs which include medical and retirement. It is simply unwise in my opinion. To each their own... but I never said it was okay for male dominants to support submissives and not the other way around. If they can afford it the wise way or any other... what's it to me?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:13:08 PM

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And it all adds up. How many others would be willing to do six hours a day or more seven days week for zero money and is willing to forego all that to please a Lady? Is it a considerable level of service? Yes. Over time it accumulates 42 hours a week , 2100 hours a year plus Christmas Day. What more would any respectful Dominant Woman desire apart from a woman that is . By denigrating it people are merely throwing the dirt into Women's eyes after all is that not the work that Women traditionally did and no man ever said it was menial or despised it in any way so why should men be despised for offering to do household work and thus freeing the burden, liberating the Woman if you will from doing this work
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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:16:40 PM

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And yet another is you have the majority of female dominants on here seeking money in one form or another, and most of them are scammers.

I'm sick of it.

You talk with someone and try to establish a relationship and 90% of the time it comes down to how much I am willing to "tribute".

You don't really understand the question that was posed.

How is it that a supposedly dominant woman expects to maintain what you call the traditional roles.

Would a man involved with a submissive woman expect her to support him?

So explain the double standard to me.

I'm very well able to take care of myself, but how can I view a woman as dominant when she is depending on me for financial support?

Then why not stroll through the minority or other 10%, as you see it? In addition, go to local events and such to meet real people who live in the lifestyle.

Your on line experience is going to be what you make of it. If you keep encountering the same thing over and over then why not change your approach?

There may be dominant women who expect or demand more traditional roles but I also know there are some who don't. In the last 10 years, the men I have dated, been in a relationship with or had a casual involvement with have all made less than me. One didn't work at all, but he wasn't sitting idly by or had an expectation that I would be his personal ATM or that I would support him, he simply had lost his job and was between work. I've never cared how much money a man had, however, I do care that he is self sufficient and happy in his chosen area of work.

I do know of one couple in which the male dominant does not work, he is retired albeit self sufficient and the female sub is a bit younger and is out in the work force where she brings home quite a bit more than him on a monthly basis. She is an alpha in her career and submissive in her home. She doesn't support him, nor is she expected to. She wouldn't be happy with him if she had to support him totally, he wouldn't be happy with her if she expected to live in the style and comfort she can easily afford if she expected him to provide it. The individual dynamics will vary from couple to couple and there is no 'one way for all'. For many who aren't looking for a free ride, it isn't about what you make as much as that you can be self sufficient.

I would agree that it would be difficult for me to understand how someone who didn't have their life in control, couldn't pay their bills, needed to be financially supported could be someone who could lead or control another. So again, why not seek out those who do have their life in order? One doesn't have to be wealthy to live within their means. I know you can't ascertain this with one or two chats on line but at some point it should become apparent and I would hazard a guess that there is a pattern to it.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:21:49 PM

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And yet another is you have the majority of female dominants on here seeking money in one form or another, and most of them are scammers.

I'm sick of it.

You talk with someone and try to establish a relationship and 90% of the time it comes down to how much I am willing to "tribute".

You don't really understand the question that was posed.

How is it that a supposedly dominant woman expects to maintain what you call the traditional roles.

Would a man involved with a submissive woman expect her to support him?

So explain the double standard to me.

I'm very well able to take care of myself, but how can I view a woman as dominant when she is depending on me for financial support?

I think you have to look at it from the perspective that the household finances of kinky folks really isn't all that different than Jack and Jane Nilla. There really aren't that many households out there who are running on one income unless that one income is higher than average. While those single income households certainly do exist, I don't see it as a majority.

You're calling it "support" where I'm seeing it in the form of contribution to the household. Is it really support if both parties work to gain the financial means (for example) to purchase a house just because one of them happens to be a s-type?

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:39:51 PM

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aneko, stop trying to debate semantics to make your very narrow view sound valid. There are many opinions and views on the slave/sub definition. Your's is not the only one, and no more valid than anyone elses. Just because you say it is so does not make it so.

lobodomy you won't find a mistress to support you for working six lousy hours a day. You won't find anyone to do that. Too many people from all sides have pointed this out to you. If you want to be a live in 24/7 servant, you better get buissy financially, cause no one is going to let you have a free ride.

sadisticms2 welcome to the lunacy that is the forums. If you have a thick skin and a strong wit you'll do well here.

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RE: Big difference between master and mistresses lookin... - 9/6/2011 1:43:11 PM

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You would be surprised how much time a day's domestic work will take. Stop being so cynical embittered and dismissive. And anyway six hours gratis is a sacrifice and yes it is enough. Think of all the money the Lady is saving by not having to pay someone to do this which She would otherwise have to do as She is at work during the day
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But I don't pay someone to clean my house, nor do most people. My husband and I handle the chores easily between the two of us while both working jobs that are full time and then some outside the home. We're both generally tidy and keep a clean, spotless home. Go figure.

Then again, we also live in the real world.

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