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Sanity -> Developing European Banking Crisis (9/6/2011 8:12:02 PM)


Even the New York Times is admitting that the problem is serious:

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In Euro Zone, Banking Fear Feeds on Itself

Remember the collapse of Lehman Brothers? Europeans certainly do.
As Europe struggles to contain its government debt crisis, the greatest fear is that one of the Continent’s major banks may fail, setting off a financial panic like the one sparked by Lehman’s bankruptcy in September 2008.


European policy makers, determined to avoid such a catastrophe, are prepared to use hundreds of billions of euros of bailout money to prevent any major bank from failing. But questions continue to mount about the ability of Europe’s banks to ride out the crisis, as some are having a harder time securing loans needed for daily operations. American financial institutions, seeking to inoculate themselves from the growing risks, are increasingly wary of making new short-term loans in some cases and are pulling back from doing business with their European counterparts — moves that could exacerbate the funding problems of European banks.


Similar withdrawals, on a much larger scale, forced Lehman into bankruptcy, as banks, hedge funds and others took steps to shield their own interests even though it helped set in motion the broader market crisis.


Turmoil in Europe could quickly spread across the Atlantic because of the intertwined nature of the global financial system. In addition, it could further damage the already struggling economies elsewhere.


“This crisis has the potential to be a lot worse than Lehman Brothers,” said George Soros, the hedge fund investor, citing the lack of an authoritative pan-European body to handle a banking crisis of this severity. “That is why the problem is so serious. You need a crisis to create the political will for Europe to create such an authority, but there is still no understanding as to what the authority will do.”


The growing nervousness was reflected in financial markets Tuesday, with stocks in the United States and Europe falling 1 percent and European bank stocks falling 5 percent or more after steep drops in recent weeks.

Full article here


A couple of related Drudge headlines

SOROS: 'This crisis has potential to be lot worse than LEHMAN BROTHERS'...

UBS Quantifies Costs Of Euro Break Up, Warns Of Collapse Of Banking System And Civil War...


Just possibly a few somes to consider the next time youre accessing your 401k account





FirmhandKY -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/6/2011 8:20:57 PM)


Buy Gold.




tweakabelle -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/6/2011 8:45:11 PM)

"In Euro Zone, Banking Fear Feeds on Itself"

How neurotic is the investor class? According to the OP, so neurotic that fear and greed and selfishness, the 'values' on which it's based, it promotes and 'thrives' are driving it to the edge of collapse.

A monster consumed by its own greed and neuroses, by itself.

How perfectly apt.




Sanity -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 3:36:34 AM)


Will the last one out of the vault please turn off the lights?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Buy Gold.




Sanity -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 3:39:56 AM)


You come across as consumed with hate.

Stray thought, sorry...

But did you ever consider that just maybe, bureaucrats have a hand in this?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

"In Euro Zone, Banking Fear Feeds on Itself"

How neurotic is the investor class? According to the OP, so neurotic that fear and greed and selfishness, the 'values' on which it's based, it promotes and 'thrives' are driving it to the edge of collapse.

A monster consumed by its own greed and neuroses, by itself.

How perfectly apt.




Lucylastic -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 3:46:00 AM)

nothing to do with greedy investors, banks,insurance co brokers, speculators and boards..at all eh, a bit like what happened to say oooh the US?




pahunkboy -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 5:18:58 AM)

Send in Ron Paul.    He knows how to fix it. 




ArizonaBossMan -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 5:21:07 AM)

send in Dear Leader. He is the smartest man/child in the universe. He can do to europe what he's done for the USA! YAY Dear Leader! He can bring jimmy hoffa and his knucklehead VP along too, see the sights!




Lucylastic -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 5:22:39 AM)

WRONG




pahunkboy -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 5:23:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

send in Dear Leader. He is the smartest man/child in the universe. He can do to europe what he's done for the USA! YAY Dear Leader! He can bring jimmy hoffa and his knucklehead VP along too, see the sights!


WRONG




he is a stooge for goldman sachs




Sanity -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 6:11:42 AM)


FR -

"Bring Out Your Dead"




Lucylastic -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 6:31:00 AM)

Try a more recent story
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/07/us-eurozone-germany-merkel-idUSTRE7862IO20110907




FirstQuaker -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 7:20:39 AM)

The Eurozone is just seeing the start of their problems. Austerity Riots have moved to Italy now, and the French can expect them momentarily. Germany, Switzerland  and the Scandinavian countries are likely the only ones to escape the brunt of it.

The Fourth Reich is likely to have a real interesting decade.

But after being pumped with Gulf State sovereign funds, and now recently the Chinese, the Eurozone is running out of sugar daddies.I doubt any of the Latin American companies want to play that wheel, and Canada is too smart also.

The days of the massive nanny state is over for the Eurolumpen, and combined with the greying of their remaining working class, they face what Japan did in the 1990s, along with greatly increased food and fuel prices to kick them when they are down.





Iamsemisweet -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 8:09:34 AM)

It comes down to how anxious Germany is going to be to bail everyone out.

I wish I had bought gold when it was 600 bucks an ounce. But I didn't. I keep thinking the price is going to crash.




FirstQuaker -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 8:17:36 AM)

The Germans are fixing that problem -


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Germany's top court handed the country's parliament a greater say over euro zone bailouts on Wednesday, in a closely-watched ruling that could hamper Berlin's ability to act swiftly to counter a debt crisis that has plagued the currency bloc for two years.

The Constitutional Court in the southern city of Karlsruhe rejected, as expected, a series of lawsuits aimed at blocking German participation in emergency loan packages. Chancellor Angela Merkel hailed that decision as validation of her much-criticized euro zone policy.

But the court also said her government must get approval from parliament's budget committee before granting such aid and appeared to rule out more radical solutions floated by Germany's European partners for solving the crisis, such as joint euro zone bonds.


German court reins in Berlin on euro crisis


But the German public is not really happy with their having to carry the Eurozone load.





willbeurdaddy -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 11:24:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

It comes down to how anxious Germany is going to be to bail everyone out.

I wish I had bought gold when it was 600 bucks an ounce. But I didn't. I keep thinking the price is going to crash.


Short gold in late October/early November




Phoenixpower -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 11:29:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

But the German public is not really happy with their having to carry the Eurozone load.



QFT [sm=paddle.gif]

Today on the radio they brought some comments from people from greece about their frustration with Angela Merkel...where I thought...well...I think we can share our dislike with that lady at the moment...though for different reasons [8|]




MyVision -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 11:31:37 AM)

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But after being pumped with Gulf State sovereign funds, and now recently the Chinese, the Eurozone is running out of sugar daddies


when was that?

We have money..the question is..do we want to spend it on others..while the people in our own countries get less money.
There is even talk about kicking countries that break the EU rules..out of the EU....sounds good. ( although to late..lol)




FirstQuaker -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 1:51:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MyVision

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But after being pumped with Gulf State sovereign funds, and now recently the Chinese, the Eurozone is running out of sugar daddies


when was that?

We have money..the question is..do we want to spend it on others..while the people in our own countries get less money.
There is even talk about kicking countries that break the EU rules..out of the EU....sounds good. ( although to late..lol)


Which one? Those "Islamic" banks around the EU were funded from where again?

Sorry I would have to go look for the ones on mainland Europe in other languages to illustrate that set of events country by country, but in the UK there is plenty of searchable  things like  ISLAMIC BANKING (which goes on to note there are several similar ones each in France and elsewhere.)

Where do you think the Gulf Protectorates and the Saudis have been slinging their oil money (besides funding terrorism and regime changes, anyway.)

And as for China, when Prime Minister Wen Jiabao of China came top town he was talking of investing billions and China has been doing just that -

Looking for Investments, China Turns to Europe

And China has been buying up the various governemntal bonds from around the EU also -


China is seizing on Europe's debt problems to expand its influence on the continent with large-scale investments and purchases of government bonds issued by highly-indebted states. The strategy could push Europe into the same financial dependency on China that is posing a dilemma for the US.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Developing European Banking Crisis (9/7/2011 2:35:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower
Today on the radio they brought some comments from people from greece about their frustration with Angela Merkel...where I thought...well...I think we can share our dislike with that lady at the moment...though for different reasons [8|]

The bail-outs are loans so the German and other European institutions involved should get big returns, especially at the interest rates being charged. Greece is a basket case and shouldn't have been allowed to continue in Europe as it has but with Ireland for example, the EU/IMF pretty much forced a major loan on the country when it was already financed for months to come. Worse still it was at a very high 5.9% which meant a substantial profit margin for the lender given the big sums involved, this being the country's supposed partners and friends in the EU! Believe it or not but the IMF, which has a terrible reputation, actually gave a far lower rate of interest to the EU.




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