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The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands


GMO should be stopped
  29% (5)
GMO should at least be kept out of the food chain
  23% (4)
No opinio/don't care/don't know
  17% (3)
Gotta do what you gotta do to feed the masses
  5% (1)
Bring on the frankenfood ! Yummy
  23% (4)


Total Votes : 17
(last vote on : 10/8/2012 7:37:45 PM)
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Termyn8or -> The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 12:02:06 PM)

Too late to make that a poll. I'm wondering just how many are on what side of that issue.




SuzeCheri -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 12:10:06 PM)

Gee, I wonder what side of the issue he's on. [8|]




ricken -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 12:20:28 PM)

Ya know, sometimes you gotta just say SCREW IT....No I'm not a big fan of GMO....But this stuff has been going on for a long time.

Should gmo be labbeled as such? Yeah I think so, will that stop people from buying it? probably not.

Life spans are up...people ARE living longer in spite of the crap we eat and the how fat we are. And why is it I get this feeling, and I could be wrong, that some of the people most upset by this kind of thing probably eat in their car at the drive throught window of the fast food place that they could probably walk to, then enjoy a nice cig after the meal.




kalikshama -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 12:33:42 PM)

I would have preferred an option that included something to the effect of "thorough testing in independent labs with results published in peer-reviewed medical journals."

I'm not so much opposed to GMOs as to the thoughtless rush to approval.

Well, I am opposed to Terminator Technology because of the effect on farmers who save their seeds.

While looking for a link for the above I found this and withdraw all my qualifications. I'd prefer Monsanto be no where near my food supply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

Dumping of toxic waste in the UK

Between 1965 and 1972, Monsanto paid contractors to illegally dump thousands of tons of highly toxic waste in UK landfill sites, knowing that their chemicals were liable to contaminate wildlife and people. The Environment Agency said the chemicals were found to be polluting groundwater and the atmosphere 30 years after they were dumped.[71]

The Brofiscin quarry, near Cardiff, erupted in 2003, spilling fumes over the surrounding area, but the local community was unaware that the quarry housed toxic waste.

A UK government report shows that 67 chemicals, including Agent Orange derivatives, dioxins and PCBs exclusively made by Monsanto, are leaking from one unlined porous quarry that was not authorized to take chemical wastes. It emerged that the groundwater has been polluted since the 1970s.[72] The government was criticised for failing to publish information about the scale and exact nature of this contamination. According to the Environment Agency it could cost £100m to clean up the site in south Wales, called "one of the most contaminated" in the UK.[73]




DomYngBlk -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 12:41:02 PM)

What [sm=agree.gif] She said




kalikshama -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 12:54:08 PM)

quote:

And why is it I get this feeling, and I could be wrong, that some of the people most upset by this kind of thing probably eat in their car at the drive throught window of the fast food place that they could probably walk to, then enjoy a nice cig after the meal.


I haven't had fast food since watching Food Inc. The ammonia plant, etc, did it for me. I smoked for a year when I was 16. My favorite breakfast has collards and quinoa.

FAIL




kalikshama -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 1:00:26 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications (referring to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration) explained the company's regulatory philosophy to Michael Pollan in 1998: "Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is FDA's job."[31]

...Public officials formerly employed by Monsanto

Justice Clarence Thomas worked as an attorney for Monsanto in the 1970s. Thomas wrote the majority opinion in the 2001 Supreme Court decision J. E. M. Ag Supply, Inc. v. Pioneer Hi-Bred International, Inc.|J. E. M. AG SUPPLY, INC. V. PIONEER HI-BREDINTERNATIONAL, INC.[114] which found that "newly developed plant breeds are patentable under the general utility patent laws of the United States." This case benefitted all companies which profit from genetically modified crops, of which Monsanto is one of the largest.[27][115][116]

Michael R. Taylor was an assistant to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) commissioner before he left to work for a law firm on gaining FDA approval of Monsanto’s artificial growth hormone in the 1980s. Taylor then became deputy commissioner of the FDA from 1991 to 1994.[27] Taylor was later re-appointed to the FDA in August 2009 by President Barack Obama.[117]

Dr. Michael A. Friedman was a deputy commissioner of the FDA before he was hired as a senior vice president of Monsanto.[27]

Linda J. Fisher was an assistant administrator at the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) before she was a vice president at Monsanto from 1995 – 2000. In 2001, Fisher became the deputy administrator of the EPA.[27]

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was chairman and chief executive officer of G. D. Searle & Co., which Monsanto purchased in 1985. Rumsfeld personally made at least $12 million USD from the transaction.[27]

...Le Monde selon Monsanto

... reveals numerous controversial facts about Monsanto. Marie-Monique Robin traveled the world to meet scientists and political figures in order to investigate the consequences of several Monsanto products. Those interviewed include Shiv Chopra, a Canadian researcher who was fired by Health Canada for revealing an attempted bribe by Monsanto regarding the attempted introduction of Bovine Growth Hormone into Canada. The author of the research met several independent scientists around the world who tried to warn the political authorities about the use of GM seeds. According to the journalist, most of these scientists actually lost their jobs as a consequence of their speaking out. The "revolving door syndrome" is also pointed out in the research as a threat to the quality and independence of the scientific conclusions about the effects of Monsanto products, especially the Food and Drug Administration.




littlewonder -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 3:08:27 PM)

it's a business like any other and it's a capitalist society. Of course they are doing it for the money. I'm not for or against it. I just simply do not see them as some kind of evil entity, just a company protecting their product.




tj4444 -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 3:16:50 PM)

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tj444 -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 3:19:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I would have preferred an option that included something to the effect of "thorough testing in independent labs with results published in peer-reviewed medical journals."

But Monsanto already had that option tho, didnt they?
And instead they chose to circumvent the laws by befriending, manipulating, lying and bribing the govt decisionmakers.




kalikshama -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 3:20:32 PM)

quote:

it's a business like any other and it's a capitalist society. Of course they are doing it for the money. I'm not for or against it. I just simply do not see them as some kind of evil entity, just a company protecting their product.


This IS evil, IMO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

Dumping of toxic waste in the UK

Between 1965 and 1972, Monsanto paid contractors to illegally dump thousands of tons of highly toxic waste in UK landfill sites, knowing that their chemicals were liable to contaminate wildlife and people. The Environment Agency said the chemicals were found to be polluting groundwater and the atmosphere 30 years after they were dumped.[71]




kalikshama -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 4:17:24 PM)

Here's the context for the Phil Angell quote:

Playing God in the Garden

Today I planted something new in my vegetable garden -- something very new, as a matter of fact. It's a potato called the New Leaf Superior, which has been genetically engineered -- by Monsanto, the chemical giant recently turned ''life sciences'' giant -- to produce its own insecticide. This it can do in every cell of every leaf, stem, flower, root and (here's the creepy part) spud. The scourge of potatoes has always been the Colorado potato beetle, a handsome and voracious insect that can pick a plant clean of its leaves virtually overnight. Any Colorado potato beetle that takes so much as a nibble of my New Leafs will supposedly keel over and die, its digestive tract pulped, in effect, by the bacterial toxin manufactured in the leaves of these otherwise ordinary Superiors. (Superiors are the thin-skinned white spuds sold fresh in the supermarket.) You're probably wondering if I plan to eat these potatoes, or serve them to my family. That's still up in the air; it's only the first week of May, and harvest is a few months off.

[snip]

I checked with the F.D.A. to find out exactly what had been done to insure the safety of this potato. I was mystified by the fact that the Bt toxin was not being treated as a ''food additive'' subject to labeling, even though the new protein is expressed in the potato itself. The label on a bag of biotech potatoes in the supermarket will tell a consumer all about the nutrients they contain, even the trace amounts of copper. Yet it is silent not only about the fact that those potatoes are the product of genetic engineering but also about their containing an insecticide.

At the F.D.A., I was referred to James Maryanski, who oversees biotech food at the agency. I began by asking him why the F.D.A. didn't consider Bt a food additive. Under F.D.A. law, any novel substance added to a food must -- unless it is ''generally regarded as safe'' (''GRAS,'' in F.D.A. parlance) -- be thoroughly tested and if it changes the product in any way, must be labeled.

''That's easy,'' Maryanski said. ''Bt is a pesticide, so it's exempt'' from F.D.A. regulation. That is, even though a Bt potato is plainly a food, for the purposes of Federal regulation it is not a food but a pesticide and therefore falls under the jurisdiction of the E.P.A.

Yet even in the case of those biotech crops over which the F.D.A. does have jurisdiction, I learned that F.D.A. regulation of biotech food has been largely voluntary since 1992, when Vice President Dan Quayle issued regulatory guidelines for the industry as part of the Bush Administration's campaign for ''regulatory relief.'' Under the guidelines, new proteins engineered into foods are regarded as additives (unless they're pesticides), but as Maryanski explained, ''the determination whether a new protein is GRAS can be made by the company.'' Companies with a new biotech food decide for themselves whether they need to consult with the F.D.A. by following a series of ''decision trees'' that pose yes or no questions like this one: ''Does. . .the introduced protein raise any safety concern?''

Since my Bt potatoes were being regulated as a pesticide by the E.P.A. rather than as a food by the F.D.A., I wondered if the safety standards are the same. ''Not exactly,'' Maryanski explained. The F.D.A. requires ''a reasonable certainty of no harm'' in a food additive, a standard most pesticides could not meet. After all, ''pesticides are toxic to something,'' Maryanski pointed out, so the E.P.A. instead establishes human ''tolerances'' for each chemical and then subjects it to a risk-benefit analysis.

When I called the E.P.A. and asked if the agency had tested my Bt potatoes for safety as a human food, the answer was. . .not exactly. It seems the E.P.A. works from the assumption that if the original potato is safe and the Bt protein added to it is safe, then the whole New Leaf package is presumed to be safe. Some geneticists believe this reasoning is flawed, contending that the process of genetic engineering itself may cause subtle, as yet unrecognized changes in a food.

The original Superior potato is safe, obviously enough, so that left the Bt toxin, which was fed to mice, and they ''did fine, had no side effects,'' I was told. I always feel better knowing that my food has been poison-tested by mice, though in this case there was a small catch: the mice weren't actually eating the potatoes, not even an extract from the potatoes, but rather straight Bt produced in a bacterial culture.

So are my New Leafs safe to eat? Probably, assuming that a New Leaf is nothing more than the sum of a safe potato and a safe pesticide, and further assuming that the E.P.A.'s idea of a safe pesticide is tantamount to a safe food. Yet I still had a question. Let us assume that my potatoes are a pesticide -- a very safe pesticide. Every pesticide in my garden shed -- including the Bt sprays -- carries a lengthy warning label. The label on my bottle of Bt says, among other things, that I should avoid inhaling the spray or getting it in an open wound. So if my New Leaf potatoes contain an E.P.A.-registered pesticide, why don't they carry some such label?

Maryanski had the answer. At least for the purposes of labeling, my New Leafs have morphed yet again, back into a food: the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act gives the F.D.A. sole jurisdiction over the labeling of plant foods, and the F.D.A. has ruled that biotech foods need be labeled only if they contain known allergens or have otherwise been ''materially'' changed.

But isn't turning a potato into a pesticide a material change?

It doesn't matter. The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act specifically bars the F.D.A. from including any information about pesticides on its food labels.

I thought about Maryanski's candid and wondrous explanations the next time I met Phil Angell, who again cited the critical role of the F.D.A. in assuring Americans that biotech food is safe. But this time he went even further. ''Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food,'' he said. ''Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.'s job.''

[snip]




Iamsemisweet -> RE: The Monsanto issue in OTD : Show of hands (9/7/2011 7:26:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ricken
....But this stuff has been going on for a And why is it I get this feeling, and I could be wrong, that some of the people most upset by this kind of thing probably eat in their car at the drive throught window of the fast food place that they could probably walk to, then enjoy a nice cig after the meal.



Fail and BIG FAIL.
Remember why they are genetically altering the food too. So they can use more Roundup.




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