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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 12:34:23 PM   
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Oh yes, you are absolutely correct, slaves had jobs and didn't they tell you...they were very happy.

I never said anyone was happy, everyone wants to make more than they do.

Ok, Einstein, if you were a politician what would you do to create high paying jobs?

I don't know about high paying jobs but I have an idea on creating construction and more manufacturing jobs. Do not raise income taxes (lower them for the poorest Americans)

Most of all, eliminate the payroll tax and put SS in the general fund, the payroll tax being the single most punishing tax on the working poor and provides almost 3 times of all corporate tax receipts.

RAISE the capital gains and carried interest taxes putting more money to work actually making and servicing something rather then buying and selling things.

Reagan and twice since I am sure, we raised cap gains and interest taxes and lo-and-behold, GDP and job creation went up. Lower them...the reverse happens.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 12:37:36 PM   
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Ever since he jumped into the presidential race, Perry has touted his job creation record in Texas as a model for a national turnaround.

Perry, Sept. 7: What Americans are looking for is someone who can get this country working again. And we put the model in place in the state of Texas. When you look at what we have done over the last decade, we created 1 million jobs in the state of Texas. At the same time, America lost 2.5 million.

It's certainly true that Texas has done better than the country as a whole in terms of job growth. When Perry stepped into office in December 2000, employment in Texas was at 9,537,900 and rose to 10,619,800 as of July 2011. That's just over a million jobs, as Perry said. And it's an 11.3 percent increase. Over that period, only four states grew jobs at a faster rate: North Dakota, Wisconsin, Alaska and Utah.

Perry's comparison about U.S. job losses at the same time, however, requires some selective picking of years. If you look at the jobs in the U.S. at the start of Perry's term as governor (December 2000) and compare it with January 2011, Perry is close to being right — over that span the country lost nearly 2.2 million jobs. But that ignores the job growth over this year. If you look at the U.S. employment numbers from December 2000 to August 2011, the loss is closer to 1.4 million jobs. That's still a big difference, just not quite as dramatic.

There are also some caveats to Perry's job creation record in Texas, which we explored recently when Perry claimed that since June 2009, Texas is responsible for more than 40 percent of all of the new jobs created in the U.S. We concluded that while the statistic is accurate, there's more to the story. The increase in jobs hasn't kept pace with the rise in the state's population — so the number of jobless Texans also has risen, along with the state’s unemployment rate. Under Perry, the unemployment rate went from 4.2 percent in December 2000 (a little worse than the national unemployment rate of 3.9 percent) to 8.4 percent in July 2011 (better than the national rate of 9.1 percent).

Also, as critics have repeatedly noted, Texas is tied with Mississippi for the highest percentage of hourly workers paid at or below the minimum wage. And, as we discussed in our article, Texas also has some unique factors that helped it fare better than most states during the recession. Its economy has benefited from high fuel prices, and Texas didn't experience the big housing bust.


http://factcheck.org/2011/09/spinning-job-growth-by-the-numbers/

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Fact: Texas is responsible for 40 percent of the nation's job creation since June 2009.

Perry, South Carolina, Aug. 13: Since June of 2009, Texas is home to 40 percent of all the jobs added in the United States.
Perry has touted this statistic several times, and with the economy and jobs monopolizing the political discourse these days, it's little wonder this has become a major talking point for the governor. On top of that, it's true — even if there are some not-so-rosy-sounding statistics that go along with it. More on those in a minute.

Texas has done a fine job of adding to its employment numbers. Since June 2009, which marked the official end of the recession, until July 2011, the number of jobs increased in the state by 328,000. Nationally, the job growth in that time period was 697,000, according to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That means Texas jobs made up 47 percent of the national net job creation.
What about Perry's entire tenure as governor? Texas still looks better than the country overall. The state has added 1,081,900 jobs since December 2000, the month Perry took office. It's an increase of 11.3 percent during his time as governor. Nationally, employment has gone down in this time frame, declining by 1,295,000, a nearly 1 percent drop.

Perry's record is part of a long-term trend. Texas has done well in the jobs department for decades. "This point goes neglected," says Bernard L. Weinstein, professor of business economics in the Cox School of Business at Southern Methodist University in Dallas. "Yes, Texas has created more jobs than any other state" in the last two years. "But that’s been true since 1970. For the last 41 years Texas has added more jobs than any other state, and in most years, has led the nation in job creation," Weinstein told us. "So Gov. Perry can claim that these jobs were created on his watch, but they were created on everybody else’s watch too."

The San Antonio-Express News recently pointed out that past Texas governors have done well in terms of job creation, too. The state did even better when George W. Bush was governor; jobs went up 20.3 percent, though Bush's 1995-2000 term also came during prosperous times. "A lot of what we’re doing is growing like we always grew," Dick Lavine, senior fiscal analyst for the Center for Public Policy Priorities in Austin, a think tank that advocates for low- and moderate-income families, told us, referring to both jobs and the state's burgeoning population. "It’s a longer-term trend in Texas that’s just continuing."

Fact: Despite the job gains, Texas' unemployment rate has gone up.



While Texas has created jobs, the state hasn't created enough of them to keep pace with a rising population and labor force. In fact, if we look at the June 2009 starting point that Perry refers to, unemployment got worse in Texas – going from 7.7 percent in June 2009 to 8.4 percent in July 2011. The national rate, meanwhile, improved – dropping from 9.5 percent to 9.1 percent.

The fact is, neither Texas, nor the nation, is adding jobs at a pace fast enough to bring down unemployment to historically normal levels. And Texas' unemployment rate — while still below the national average — is now higher than that of 26 states.
The number of employed and the number of unemployed in Texas both have increased in the past three years, according to BLS data. So, while jobs have grown, the number of unemployed in the state has doubled since January 2008. How can a state add jobs while also adding unemployed workers? It simply adds population.

Texas is the second largest state, and its population — 25.1 million as of the 2010 census — has increased rapidly. It has gone up by 20.6 percent from 2000 to 2010, more than twice the rate of the U.S. overall, according to the Census Bureau.

"It’s a little hard to tell … whether job growth has led to population growth in Texas or vice versa," says Lavine.

Perry's supporters will say that people from other states have moved to Texas because of job opportunities. And that's true for some. But a little more than half of the state's population growth, 54 percent, was natural — births and deaths — from 2000 to 2009. The rest was split between domestic and international immigration, with 21.6 percent of the growth coming from people moving from other states and 23.7 percent coming from international migrants. That's according to the Census Bureau and the Texas State Data Center.

"When you have more people, you generally have more jobs," Howard Wial, an economist and fellow with The Brookings Institution, said in an interview with FactCheck.org. "When more people move in, wages don’t rise. They might fall a little bit," which, in turn, can be an impetus for job creation. "When there are more jobs created, more people want to move in."

Another look at BLS data comparing Texas to the nation shows that the state has done better than the country as a whole. But it still has been hit by the recession. Both unemployment rates have grown at roughly the same rate. The Texas unemployment rate was 4.4 percent in Jan 2008, 0.6 percentage points below the national rate of 5.0. In July, Texas’ unemployment was 8.4 percent, 0.7 percentage points below the national rate of 9.1 percent.


http://factcheck.org/2011/08/texas-size-recovery/

And, btw, its cheaper to live in PA than Texas.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 12:41:13 PM   
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As a resident of the state of Texas, I can say that we have been lucky to not have suffered from the real estate bubble like so many states because the Texas Constitution prevents borrowing more then 80% of the value of your house, except to purchase or repair (not remodel, repair).

For years, a loan to remodel had to include the receipts and the bank had to pay the vendor directly.. (not that bad anymore).

Anyway, back to topic..

Texas has had a large growth, and is mostly conservative. Our law makers only show up for work once every two years, so it's not like Rick Perry has had to do much, but rather he gets lucky. Even a blind mouse finds the cheese..

Rick Perry, like George Bush before him, has wasted millions of dollars on pet projects like the Trans Texas corridor, spent millions to convince businesses to be here and so on.

Whats happened is we have now given so much of the tax base, tax breaks, that while we have the businesses, the're not paying anything.. Of course, they like the deal.

The Texas treasury was over funded 10 years ago, and had billions of extra dollars in a rainy day fund. This year, instead of spending it during the rain, they cut school funding to the point that 60,000 teachers were laid off.

It really is a "good 'ol boy" mentality.

I'm fortunate that I don't make McDonald's wages.

The new way to fire people in Texas, and not pay unemployment, is to offer a new job to someone, paying a fraction of the wage, as you tell them their old job is being eliminated.
If they refuse, they are unemployed, and can't claim unemployment (and therefore are not included in the labor numbers).

A good friend was a pharmacy tech, making 40k a year. They downsized and offered her a job doing the exact same thing for 22k. When she said no, they laid her off, and denied unemployment because she didn't take the job that was offered.



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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 12:48:51 PM   
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I don't know about high paying jobs but I have an idea on creating construction and more manufacturing jobs. Do not raise income taxes (lower them for the poorest Americans)

Most of all, eliminate the payroll tax and put SS in the general fund, the payroll tax being the single most punishing tax on the working poor and provides almost 3 times of all corporate tax receipts.

RAISE the capital gains and carried interest taxes putting more money to work actually making and servicing something rather then buying and selling things.

Reagan and twice since I am sure, we raised cap gains and interest taxes and low and behold GDP and job creation went up. Lower them...the reverse happens.

Personally, i think there should be a flat tax and no tax for income at and below the poverty level (of the area that person lives). jmo

But manufacturing jobs tend to be pretty low wage jobs, at American Apparel the wages start at $8/hour (CA minimum is $8.25) and the average employee on the sewing floor earns over $12.50/hour. That is in Southern California and its not cheap to live there, certainly not as cheap as texas is.

And i agree, construction (& housing) needs to get back on track cuz that stimulates a whole lot of other jobs as well. But how does the govt do that considering how the economy and mortgage situation is?

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 12:59:30 PM   
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I don't know about high paying jobs but I have an idea on creating construction and more manufacturing jobs. Do not raise income taxes (lower them for the poorest Americans)

Most of all, eliminate the payroll tax and put SS in the general fund, the payroll tax being the single most punishing tax on the working poor and provides almost 3 times of all corporate tax receipts.

RAISE the capital gains and carried interest taxes putting more money to work actually making and servicing something rather then buying and selling things.

Reagan and twice since I am sure, we raised cap gains and interest taxes and low and behold GDP and job creation went up. Lower them...the reverse happens.

Problem--The poorest Americans effectively pay 0 income tax after deduction and credits..Can't lower them any more than they already are. You asking for hand outs?

I can't say I agree with eliminating the payroll tax.. You should pay for SS and Medicare, I think you should contribute to something you will benefit from. Taxes on Gas and other products are more harmful to the poor IMO.

Yes, raise the cap gains tax. Lower taxes on activities that create products and wealth, because they create jobs, Raise taxes on activities that trade and move wealth. Encourage the long term investment in production.

To create higher paying jobs---protect IP abroad, stop the outsourcing of technology and innovation. Give individuals, not companies, more IP rights to incentivise innovation.

Gettting jobs back--Provide a one year tax holiday for all businesses that want to move production back to the US (not all taxes, just those associated with bringing assets back into the country). In areas where unimployment is at its highest, and education is at its lowest, set up long term tax and regulation incentives for companies moving manufacturing jobs back into the US (not relocating within the US) Tax the piss out of equipment and facilities that are torn up an moved out of the country. Make it less attractive to leave.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 1:03:30 PM   
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All of that tazzy and there is more...much more:

2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion.

Debt to GDP ratio (state) Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932.

The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry? (Texas debt as we type has now about tripled)

Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, sending even more money...out of the country.

Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

In an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year....

•  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

•  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

•  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

Get this and there is no way you should be surprised...

...Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade.

Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

Yes, by all means, let's elect the newest party-switching' fraud and neocon and globalist Rick Perry...president of the US.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 1:06:43 PM   
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Its mostly been states that didnt have a huge run-up in real estate prices that have faired best, as far as the real estate bubble thing goes. Yes, I have looked at texas real estate prices a little and the houses there do seem reasonably priced.

As far as the good ole boy thing goes, i dont like that any more than you do. I dislike that immensely no matter where in govt.

And i also disagree with what that company did to your pharmacy tech friend, that should not be allowed to happen. That is just really sleazy, imo, and certainly not the way i would run a business. Imo, its also very short-sighted, even if you get someone to agree to that kinda downsizing, those employees will resent you and in the long run it will cost the company in a variety of ways.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 1:14:41 PM   
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I agree, much more. I was just trying to keep it to the area of the OP.. jobs.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 1:20:43 PM   
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The new way to fire people in Texas, and not pay unemployment, is to offer a new job to someone, paying a fraction of the wage, as you tell them their old job is being eliminated.
If they refuse, they are unemployed, and can't claim unemployment (and therefore are not included in the labor numbers).

A good friend was a pharmacy tech, making 40k a year. They downsized and offered her a job doing the exact same thing for 22k. When she said no, they laid her off, and denied unemployment because she didn't take the job that was offered.




Unfortunately this has been the SOP for companies all over the place, not just texas,


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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 1:24:01 PM   
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All of that tazzy and there is more...much more:

2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion.

Debt to GDP ratio (state) Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932.

The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry? (Texas debt as we type has now about tripled)

Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, sending even more money...out of the country.

Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

In an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year....

•  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

•  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

•  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

Get this and there is no way you should be surprised...

...Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade.

Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

Yes, by all means, let's elect the newest party-switching' fraud and neocon and globalist Rick Perry...president of the US.

TX as i understand it has no income tax, whereas CA does. The school system there has suffered much in cuts as well. In CA, it is very expensive to live, the taxes and fees are horrendous. The do everything they can to tax you there, all levels of govt. Greedy, greedy, greedy. To build a house in the Inland Empire you can add an extra $40,000 or 50,000 to the cost before you even get your building permit. That can actually cost more than the cost of the lot in some cases.. Its not rosy in CA either. Just sayin'.

So regarding education, how do you change that? How do you force kids to finish high school and go on to higher education? And not just that but to get the kinda higher learning that future businesses need?

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 3:33:32 PM   
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If we cut everyone`s pay in half and hired someone else with the other half,according to con-logic,we could double employment overnight.

See how that works?

Doesn`t even require reality......



Too bad that is EXACTLY the Maxine Waters/liberal logic, not conservative logic. Take money from the working (there is no difference between a tax and a cut in pay) and give it to others to spend. And you dont even get work out of it.


Obama's job plan explicitly continues the payroll-tax holiday. It's what you wanted. You said it 'creates jobs'

Here's your chance. Prove it.



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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 4:50:32 PM   
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Gettting jobs back--Provide a one year tax holiday for all businesses that want to move production back to the US (not all taxes, just those associated with bringing assets back into the country). In areas where unimployment is at its highest, and education is at its lowest, set up long term tax and regulation incentives for companies moving manufacturing jobs back into the US (not relocating within the US) Tax the piss out of equipment and facilities that are torn up an moved out of the country. Make it less attractive to leave.

Forget those jobs, they are gone and even if you could get them back, they are low wage jobs (like American Apparel). Just how hard do you want to fight for them and at what cost?

Cuz sure as shit, any move the US makes to attempt to bring those jobs back will be met with countermeasures from China. Factories have shut down there too and their economy has slowed, they are still growing but not as fast but they certainly would not take lightly a threat to have even more factories closed. I also believe there is a restriction on the amount of money that China will allow someone to take out, i am not sure if that is just for individuals or for corporations as well but if China saw those jobs leaving for the US and money leaving, it would put a stop to it immediately. You talk about taxing equipment that leaves the US, well, what makes you think China would not do the very same thing and make it uneconomical for those companies to do that.

So the US needs a new strategy and plan. And it needs it asap. Obama has started that with the AMP and NRI programs. The US needs to upgrade its workforce to very skilled just to catch up and compete, before its too late.

"According to Xinhua, the official press agency of the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC), Taiwanese technology giant Foxconn will deploy 1 million robots over the next three years to improve efficiency and reduce labor for tasks better suited to a robot.

"this is big news for the robotic manufacturing industry. If for no other reason, Foxconn’s deployment will more than double the world’s industrial robot population. And it will do so outside of the auto industry. Next Big Future blogger Brian Wang says, "This seems to be the start of a renewed push to automation in industry. If other companies in China follow, then we could see ten times or more the number of industrial robots."

"America is just beginning to fund what other countries have been funding, in larger amounts for many years now, Korea in particular."

"Robots help keep costs down and productivity high. The cost of entry isn't prohibitive but involves changing the mix of labor from skilled to very skilled."

http://www.roboticstomorrow.com/emagazine/2011/08/chinas-mammoth-intro-to-robotics/1717


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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 5:18:34 PM   
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Why fish for any more information, cast your Vote for PERRY at the polls.

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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/9/2011 5:54:40 PM   
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If we cut everyone`s pay in half and hired someone else with the other half,according to con-logic,we could double employment overnight.

See how that works?

Doesn`t even require reality......



Too bad that is EXACTLY the Maxine Waters/liberal logic, not conservative logic. Take money from the working (there is no difference between a tax and a cut in pay) and give it to others to spend. And you dont even get work out of it.


Obama's job plan explicitly continues the payroll-tax holiday. It's what you wanted. You said it 'creates jobs'

Here's your chance. Prove it.




When have I said a payroll tax cut creates jobs? Here's your chance, prove it.

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Reducing taxes. deregulating business, small governemnt has been the economic mantra of the Right since the 1980s. We've all heard it repeated endlessly. These neo-liberal policies have been adopted through out the Western world to a greater or lesser extent, with some local variations. It continues to be offered as the 'solution' to economic woes today by the Right.

The results - look around you. Virtually every Western economy is the the Intensive Care Unit - except the ones that are already on Emergency Life Support. You don 't need a PhD in economics to link cause and effect here. You just need to look around.

Neo-liberal economics has failed to deliver anything except lost jobs, recessions, social dislocation and poverty to ordinary people while enriching the already wealthy and powerful. Can any one name a single developed Western country where the economy is thriving today, where ordinary people are better off today as a consequence of neo-liberal/free market economics?

Neo-liberal/free market economics have proved to be a universal disaster.

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Reducing taxes. deregulating business, small governemnt has been the economic mantra of the Right since the 1980s. We've all heard it repeated endlessly. These neo-liberal policies have been adopted through out the Western world to a greater or lesser extent, with some local variations. It continues to be offered as the 'solution' to economic woes today by the Right.

The results - look around you. Virtually every Western economy is the the Intensive Care Unit - except the ones that are already on Emergency Life Support. You don 't need a PhD in economics to link cause and effect here. You just need to look around.

Neo-liberal economics has failed to deliver anything except lost jobs, recessions, social dislocation and poverty to ordinary people while enriching the already wealthy and powerful. Can any one name a single developed Western country where the economy is thriving today, where ordinary people are better off today as a consequence of neo-liberal/free market economics?

Neo-liberal/free market economics have proved to be a universal disaster.

ummm.. Canada is doing pretty well.. I have heard Austrailia is too.. even with all that is going on in the rest of the world... free market economics doesnt always mean that everyone loses their mind to greed induced frenzy...


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RE: 51% of Texans make McDonalds level wages. - 9/10/2011 9:27:42 AM   
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shhhhhhhhhh you will jinx it
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< Message edited by Lucylastic -- 9/10/2011 9:29:13 AM >


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