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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
You have no idea how the new math works here do you ? After you're unemployed for a while you are no longer counted. Just like if they kept figuring inflation the same way as they did twenty years ago the figures would cause a revolution. The figures for the GDP are similarly "adjusted" from time to time, that is when the economists for one administration or another figure it is in their best interests to "adjust" the formula.

That's funny, 9%. Thanks for the laugh. You want my off the cuff estimation - 21%. That is of able bodied adults willing and able to work, excluding those who are scamming to get disability. (many do not do it out of laziness, there are no jobs) And that doesn't include all the ex middle class folk who now make minimum wage. It would take more people to get up enough money to put forth a viable candidate than it would to elect him.

That's just a guesstimate but so are the official figures.

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
Actually, the figures that Termy & M4S73R are talking about are much closer to reality than the "official figures" ever will be. I really don't think that you should be over there talking as an expert on what is actually going on over here. Many people aren't eligible for unemployment benefits, such as myself. And I don't think my case is all that rare. Homelessness is a fact of life over here now...

Come on over here & take a good look around. You're getting your "facts" from our government sources. I'm actually living it!!

• In its January 2011 issue, the popular German magazine “Welt der Wunder” published the results of a poll conducted by the Emnid institute on 1005 respondents. The poll indicated that nearly 90% percent of Germans are convinced that the government of the United States is not telling the whole truth about the September 11 attacks[/link]

• [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_opinion_polls#cite_note-25]A new poll conducted in England by ICM shows that more UK residents agree than disagree that the official account of what happened on 9/11 might turn out to be wrong in important respects. Only 8% strongly agree that they have been told the full story of the 9/11 attacks

• A new poll conducted in France by HEC Paris shows that 58% of French people doubt the official version of 9/11, and 49% believe the U.S. government might have intentionally allowed the attacks to happen

• A Zogby poll conducted in August 2007 found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush/Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks, two-thirds (67%) of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7

• A poll conducted by CNN-IBN in August 2007 found that only 2 out of 5 of those polled in India – the world’s second most populous country – believe that al-Qaeda is responsible for the 9/11 attacks

• Indeed, a poll taken by World Public Opinion, a collaborative project of research centers in various countries managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, College Park, polled 16,063 people in 17 nations outside of the United States during the summer of 2008. They found that majorities in only 9 of the 17 countries believe Al Qaeda carried out the attacks. The poll showed that in the world’s most populous country – China – only 32% believed that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks.

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
But the thing is, that I'm here. And I'm not just talking about my personal experience. I can see the results of our fucked economy. I can see the things that the statistics that our government releases don't show to the world. After all, we're supposed to be this huge super-power. We can't let the rest of the world in on how really awful it is here.

People on here joke about guys living in their mother's basements, but it's all too common in reality because they weren't prepared for this. They used to have middle class lives, homes & cars & a good paying job & all the debt that goes with that. Now that they've been "downsized"--oh, how I love that euphemism--they have to live with mommy. I'm talking to a perfectly normal nice man right now who is living in his mother's guest cottage, which I suppose isn't exactly like living in his old room from high school, but close enough. I have friends who are homeless & search daily for work but can't find any. They move from place to place so as not to wear out their welcome in any one place. They have nothing left to sell.

When I was looking for work before this crap started, I never went on an interview that I wasn't offered the job. And I'd often go out on 3 or 4 interviews when I was looking. So I got to pick & choose who I would work for. And I'm not really all that specialized in my work. Now, I can't even get an interview. One time, I got a phone call, but I wasn't invited for an interview. It's gotten so that they look for people with Bachelor's degrees for telemarketing jobs.

I believe that it's nearly as bad as it was here during the Great Depression. The main difference is that our officials won't allow people to set up & live in "Hoovervilles". They're harassed daily & forced to move around constantly.

I apologize if I took your words wrong, but it seemed to me that you were arguing with Termy & M4S73R about the state of unemployment here. Apparently I interpreted your words incorrectly.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

U6 is the closest thing to what is being discussed. It is 16.2% now and had peaked at 17.1% . It still undercounts the total workforce somewhat, and closer to 20% is the true un and underemployed rate.

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

 
Well, at least I've now got the answer to my question of "Exactly how fucking stupid does someone have to be to believe in 9/11 Conspiracy Theories?!!"  A fucking POLL... as if that's supposed to be some kind of valid, scientific evidence?!!  It's become painfully clear where Jerry Springer's audience has gone. 

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ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed

On September 11, 2011 this country was cowardly attacked and 3000 people lost their lives,

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Of course U3 is the widely given figure.... its a better number. It doesnt include those who have given up among others.

So, in your world, its ok to be underemployed? 10 hours a week pay your bills? There is a reason for the U6 figures.

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA


Well, at least I've now got the answer to my question of "Exactly how fucking stupid does someone have to be to believe in 9/11 Conspiracy Theories?!!"  A fucking POLL... as if that's supposed to be some kind of valid, scientific evidence?!!  It's become painfully clear where Jerry Springer's audience has gone.