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Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:22:09 PM   
Eroticsoulcatchr


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Status: offline 		I am not sure if anything like this has been broached before.

My job has forced me to sign an morality agreement, which in fact does limit me on going to socials and functions and I have heard of other people encountering problems and/or issues with this as well. Are there any suggestions that could be brought foward about this?
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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:27:31 PM   
firefey


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Status: offline 		do you work for a private school, religious organization/church or some thing in this same vein?  if so, yes, you can be required to sign something like this.  not that you should, and i would totally have your lawyer look at the contract first.  but if you're in a standard business, that is a breach of your first amendment rights.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:31:00 PM   
Eroticsoulcatchr


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Status: offline 		Its not a school or anything like that but, I do deal with a lot of extrmely high profile people that in fact this could be made into an issue where there are confidentiality acts involved and the such. I know I am not the first person that has had issues with this, and some in even in my proffession. From what I do understand, they can actually be upheld.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:36:12 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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Status: offline 		No experience with that whatsoever on my part, but I would certainly write the ACLU about it and ask for advice. This sounds like something they could help with.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:36:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		That sucks. I really wish people would stop caring so much about what other people do in their free time.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:38:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Eroticsoulcatchr

Its not a school or anything like that but, I do deal with a lot of extrmely high profile people that in fact this could be made into an issue where there are confidentiality acts involved and the such. I know I am not the first person that has had issues with this, and some in even in my proffession. From what I do understand, they can actually be upheld.


I would agree that having your attorney look it over and explain it to you (especially considering the context) would be a good idea. I've heard of things like this in relation to financial planners and some fortune 500 attorneys. The idea being that an embarassment to you is an embarassment to the firm. The question is how important is public play to you? How & how closely do they monitor these things? Are you willing to give up one for the other? Only you can decide. The biggest question is what alternative do you have to this document? Is it a sign or be fired thing or does it just inhibit your promotability and raise huge red flags to people that you have something to hide?

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:42:19 PM   
Eroticsoulcatchr


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Status: offline 		Its a situation on where they are afraid of two things....and I am not going to list my occupation on here in public...but yes it does deal with some of these Fortune 500 companies and more...

I think the two real fears are if I come across a client at a play party or something and they don't want me to know and that I am not put in a position that I could be bribed or anything similar to those lines.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/21/2006 10:49:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, this seems like a no-brainer to me: either keep your job and sign the agreement, or give up your job.  There's nothing wrong with having a lawyer look at the contract, but if you intend to negotiate the language, I don't think you're going to make much headway.

(I'd give up the job, myself, but that's your call.  Unless you're a spy or something, the fear that someone might bribe you is more than half insane.  If this is really such a high-profile job, you should have good employment prospects elsewhere.)

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 12:31:51 AM   
4u2spoil


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Status: offline 		What Lordandmaster said.

You could also consider having your own non-disclosure contract that you ask play partners to sign if you are extremely concerned. Honestly, if you ever encounter anyone from your job in any aspect of the BDSM scene they will probably be just as nervous as you will. But a good non-disclosure would significantly reduce the chance of any potential fallout.


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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 12:40:55 AM   
LdyS


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Status: offline 		If you can live with the worst case scenario.... otherwise, once the contract is signed, you are obligated to be seriously discrete--no public play. Good Luck. LdyS

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 12:50:34 AM   
Noclevername


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Status: offline 		I would suggest a two step process:

If not signing it won't get you canned, don't sign it. Then freshen up the old resume and start looking for a new job.

If not signing it will get you canned, sign it. Then freshen up the old resume and start looking for a new job.

Either way, I'd start looking for a new job. I mean the idea that they expect you to be squeaky clean lest you should meet the CLIENTS in a dark alley ... sheesh. Guess it depends on how important the job is to you.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 12:53:30 AM   
GMRTGS


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Status: offline 		Been there done that.  It is not worth staying if they require it. Eventually it will be your undoing. I agree with LordnMasterBe well

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 1:04:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Expecting confidentiality from an employee is reasonable, its even reasonable for a company to have an employee sign a confidentiality contract concerning info they come across in their work. But a morality contract! That to me is intrusive and is going beyond the bounds of ones employment and into ones private life. They don't own you, they employ you.

I know it is easier said than done but I would walk before I sign a morality contract.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 1:11:20 AM   
becca333


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Status: offline 		I'd start by asking them to be extremely specific.  What sort of behaviours are they talking about?  I can think of things that would put you and the firm at great risk, and none of them involve BDSM.  Are they also limiting your religious options?  Political beliefs?  Right to protest about local issues?

Get a very specific list of what you can and can't do.  How about infidelity?  How many of the senior partners have a bit on the side? (Woman/girl/boy/farm animal?)

And.... is it really worth it?  We work to live, we don't live to work.  Will you look back years from now and say, "Gee I'm glad I've had such a full, exciting and fulfilling life.", or "Well, I kept that job. I worked... and worked...and... nothing much else, really."

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 3:31:34 AM   
Quivver


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Status: offline 		Just one more little Nip out of Freedom that living in todays world demands.
Morality is awful hard to dictate, but it would be the easy area to attack if they need it, or at least think they do.  Honestly I see this as a verbiage issue, but one without an outcome in their favor for many reasons.  I'm with LordandMaster myself on this one, the bottom is your Intiriguity.

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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 3:51:56 AM   
twicehappy


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Status: offline 		 I did not sign a morality contract per se but a moral conduct rider has been written into some of the various group contracts i've signed (generally peewee and a little older)when  i've agreed to teach motorcycle safety to their organizations. The same thing has been done a few times by various race sponsors i had as well. That is why i have to pictures of me in my profile. Not the same thing as a full time job, and while i do not agree with it i've had to go along with it.

But i do and always have attended as many functions as i wish without worry. After all if someone sees me there and wants to make an issue of it first they have to explain what they were doing there.



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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 4:00:32 AM   
sharainks


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Status: offline 		I'm with no clevername.  Sign it and start job hunting.  When they ask why you're leaving tell them you prefer to have a job that doesn't impinge on your personal life.


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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 4:14:16 AM   
twicehappy


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ORIGINAL: sharainks

I'm with no clevername.  Sign it and start job hunting.  When they ask why you're leaving tell them you prefer to have a job that doesn't impinge on your personal life.



Easier said than done. It was hard enough (we are talking over twenty years ago) for a woman to break into teaching motorcycle safety, much less to break into motorcycle racing. Even today this is a man's game. If all i wanted was to play nice with the other girls it would have been easier, though the ladies circuit is much better now than it used to be, but i wanted do, did and still do play with the big boys on the hare scrambles and ice racing tracks.

It is damn near impossible for most men to get sponsors, so imagine what it is like for a woman who refuses to conform to the rules and play where she is told. Racing is an expensive hobby, trailers, gear, race fees, travel expenses; my one bike cost over 15,000 dollars before modifications. And you need a different one for each type that you do.

As to giving it up, ROFLMAO, i could give up breathing a lot easier.



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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 5:13:09 AM   
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RE: Morality contracts concerning carreers - 5/22/2006 5:18:02 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		A few years back I had to sign one when I applied for a job at a large Financial firm. I didn't let it change anything in my personal life though. I guess if I had been "found out" they could have fired me but the way I looked at it was that I was looking for a job when I found that one and wasn't too worried about my abilities to find another if the need arose.

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