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Sick and wrong?


Nothing wrong. In fact, rape me please!
  19% (12)
No, it's cool. In fact, I think I might try it.
  4% (3)
Hey, if that's your thing, go for it.
  7% (5)
Just don't do it for real.
  60% (38)
Yes. Sick and wrong. But aren't we all?
  6% (4)
You should be locked away.
  1% (1)
People like you make the world a horrible place. I hope you die.
  0% (0)


Total Votes : 63
(last vote on : 11/7/2007 5:03:06 AM)
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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 5:44:27 AM   
Strangelove


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I believe that anything that is done and agreed upon between two consenting adults to bring them both pleasure is fine.

Almost anything. That aside, I have entertained rape fantasies. The aspect of control, taking for my own pleasure, doing what I will; I find extremely stimulating. Too, that my consenting other, desires this, and has entertained such thoughts. The beast in me eventually overwhelms us both. I treasure my experiences, little insights at that which lurks within.


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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 6:55:59 AM   
VandalHeart


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Status: offline 		OK, new question.  Everyone seems to be fine with this...so why was it removed from the interests list of the personals?

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 10:35:20 AM   
NakedOnMyChain


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Status: offline 		My rape fantasies are a very large part of what drew me to BDSM in the first place.  It goes hand in hand with me always rooting for the villains, I think.  I really believe that it's more normal than people think it is.  And hey, as long as it's consensual, have at it.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 10:39:05 AM   
Nyxalinth2


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Status: offline 		me too.  For some reason they make the villains more interesting!  I play computer RPG's and there's a race called Dremora.  Demonically handsome, i guess you'd say, evil looking armor, strict hierarchies, yet with a code of honor.  they trigger my 'bad guys in armor fetish' every time :)


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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 10:41:29 AM   
Nyxalinth2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: VandalHeart

OK, new question.  Everyone seems to be fine with this...so why was it removed from the interests list of the personals?


I'm cool with it too.  I think that the concern is that they have no way of knowing here who can see it as fantasy and who might do the unthinkable.  they're covering their asses so they won't be sued if someone was for real raped, is my guess. 

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 10:54:16 AM   
slaverosebeauty


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Status: offline 		Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but rape is a violent act; nothing 'fun' or play about it. Nothing in the definition of the term implies concent, so 'play rape' is a misnomer and a dangerious one at that.

rape1  n.
  1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
  2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
  3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.


tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
  1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
  2. To seize and carry off by force.
  3. To plunder or pillage.


Nothing 'play' about that nothing even close if mentoned, if you put the word 'play' in front of it, it doesnt' change the act or the conotation. Then again, I speak as a REAL rape survivor. Nothing play about those atrosities or acts.
{gets off soap box and waits to be flamed}

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:08:44 AM   
VandalHeart


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Status: offline 		Thank you for getting off of that soapbox.  I'll take it back now.  Yes, mine.  I needed info on subjective morality, not mere definitions.  And as for knowing about those definitions firsthand, like I said, I'll take my soapbox back now.  You're like the oposite of people who do the bottle test.

Fuck.  Could somebody tell me why that pissed me off so much?  I thought I was willing to hear negative feedback.  What just happened?

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:15:08 AM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		Well, no one likes to hear what they are doing is wrong or will cause a negative reaction in another person.  To be honest, I don't like the term "rape fantasy" cuz it's just too painful for those people who have been rape survivors.  slaverosebeauty is right...there's nothing playful about it.  I prefer to think of it as an abduction fantasy...although I am sure there are those who would object to that too.  Course, I've never had a rape or an abduction fantasy.

It seems to me that you, VH, are a good person who doesn't want to cause undue pain to anyone else...well, unintentional pain anyway :)  However, I stand by what I said earlier...as long as all parties consent and things are clearly and fully spelled out, hey, it's only your and your partner's business what you do.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:17:53 AM   
slaverosebeauty


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Status: offline 		Vandallheart, you didn't think you would actually find anyoen who thinks differently, or it could be that I am a slave and you don't think slaves can be raped. Then again, it could be that I am a rape survivor and you never bet on that.

I didn't mean to piss you off, just to offer another side and way of looking at this. Sorry you were not prepared. I'll fire a warning shot next time, would that help??

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:24:37 AM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

How sick and wrong am I, and I really want to know, because if I need to suppress this, then I will.


I don't think it's something you can quantify. If the fantasy is bothering you enough to come to a forum to ask whether or not you should suppress it, you might want to consider speaking with a professional therapist. If 'you' think it might be something that should be surpressed, then the opinions of others shouldn't matter to you and a pro therapist might be able to help you sort out exactly how you do feel about it.

Given the response to one of the posters who included definitions, it seems you are here to validate your own fantasy and when a post fails to validate you, you lash out.. and you don't even know why.

If I were you, I would take a good hard look at why I needed validation.

Celeste

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:24:43 AM   
NakedOnMyChain


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Status: offline 		Speaking for myself, I use the term "play rape" because it is the most convenient term.  Obviously rape is a violent, nonconsensual, horrible act.  However, it is an act that many people fantasize about to one extent or another.

Would you care to offer a better name that we could use?  I would be happy to change my terminology if I could find a better term.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:29:19 AM   
BitaTruble


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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:34:04 AM   
NakedOnMyChain


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Status: offline 		I like that.  Good one.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:47:35 AM   
spankmepink11


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Status: offline 		I have many "forced" fantasies, i've even played some  of them out.  In the context of  BDSM, It's all about consent. If it's well negotiated, and safe words are respected, i don't really see a moral issue.
I'm sure there are physical abuse survivors who cannot understand the masochists love of pain.   "Play rape" may be poor terminology in the eyes of a rape survivor, and it in no way negates the empathy felt for survivors of ANY  type of abuse..  

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:52:07 AM   
VandalHeart


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Status: offline 		Nonconsent fantasy is my preference

OK, this is going to be my last post on this thread, and then I will simply watch.  rose, you're taking a lot of liberty with my philosiphies; saying that I don't think slaves can be raped is insulting especially since you failed to catch that I was saying I'm a rape survivor as well.  BitaTruble, you have some decent advice there, but I think my problem is that this particular form of sanctimony is exactly what I just went through with my failed marriage.  I was actually looking for a different opinion than the one that has been shoved down my throat for the last 8 years...and I probably should have explained that earlier, but on that vein of logic, I probably shouldn't have opened this particular Pandora's Box if I wasn't ready to hear nearly everything.  rose, I'm sorry I snapped, but only in as much as I should have found a better way to say what I said, which I still stand by

If anyone has anything that they want me to respond to, please do it privately, as I do not want to make a fool of myself on a forum once again

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 11:59:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just about any term you use is going to offend someone, regardless of the subject matter. I know that I will never be accused of having a surplus of sensitivity, but it seems to me that there are better ways to live than tiptoeing around on eggshells in order to spare the delicate feelings of some fragile soul. I doubt that someone is twisting their arms and forcing them to read subject matter that they find offensive. The little X in the upper righthand corner of their screen can spare them the trauma.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 12:20:43 PM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		What people do behind the privacy of closed doors, is their own business ... and I think the whole experience is best kept behind closed doors.
 
Making a public lifestyle out of rape, or interaction between a father and daughter ... really pushes my buttons.
 
On the positive side, I have learned to just stfu and move on to the next post ... with this thread as an exception, obviously.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 12:20:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Just about any term you use is going to offend someone, regardless of the subject matter. I know that I will never be accused of having a surplus of sensitivity, but it seems to me that there are better ways to live than tiptoeing around on eggshells in order to spare the delicate feelings of some fragile soul. I doubt that someone is twisting their arms and forcing them to read subject matter that they find offensive. The little X in the upper righthand corner of their screen can spare them the trauma.


You have a surplus of sensitivity!  See, you were wrong.  You're crying for all the hurt puppies right now, aren't you?  Sheesh.

On a more serious note, I don't particularly see it as walking on eggshells.  It's fairly easy to change a term, at least for the duration of this conversation.  I have no problem doing it if it will spare someone some pain.  I don't intend to change the term in everyday life.  Now, if they were being overly bratty and expecting us to bend over backward to accommodate them, then I'd have a problem with it.  I just don't think it's a big enough deal to protest when it's so easy and kind to just change a word.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 1:04:52 PM   
slaverosebeauty


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Status: offline 		'play' and 'rape' are oxymorons; that's my point.

'forced play' is one term, then again you get back to it being an oxymoron. 

Ok, I have spent way too much time studying linguistics, this just proves it. I'm going back to the thread I started on concent. This seems to being going that way anyways. Changing a 'word' doesn't change the original idea, it just changes a word.

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RE: Sick and wrong? - 5/22/2006 1:37:41 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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Status: offline 		You have a surplus of sensitivity!  See, you were wrong.  You're crying for all the hurt puppies right now, aren't you?  Sheesh.

I weep for the poor, hungry alligators in Louisiana that were so well fed after Katrina, but have since lost their abundance of free floating buffets.

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