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The cycle of life ? - 9/14/2011 8:39:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone notice it, the way you are on a personal basis from day to day, week to week etc. Has anyone noticed a cycle operating within themselves that repeats on a periodic basis ?

Now I am not talking about the female curse, though perhaps that could have some bearing on what I personally have been plotting on and off since I first noticed it in the late eighties. A cycle that repeats roughly every three weeks, a cycle which consists of about twelve days of feeling horny as hell and that followed by a similar period of creativity which evolves into spirituality until it goes full cycle into horny as hell again, permanent ground hog day.

So I wonder, even though males are not affected directly by the female menstrual cycle, perhaps males go through their own cycle, I wonder if that is what I have detected.

Anyone any ideas ?

Anyone understand what I am talking about, have they experienced similar, or is it just me ?

But, it is my observation so far that life although we age is not linear, for one always seems to at a point in time think they have been through something before as if they had gone full circle to experience and learn again, another chance to get it right perhaps or even the ground hog.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/14/2011 9:08:47 PM   
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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/14/2011 9:19:37 PM   
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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/14/2011 10:31:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess if you mean by cyclic that my life is exactly the same week after week, day after day...sleep, wake up, make breakfast, go to school or work, come home, clean the house, make dinner, do laundry, go to sleep, start the same thing all over again.

My whole life is a cycle.



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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/14/2011 11:25:34 PM   
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Biorythm.

Let the games begin.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/15/2011 7:21:16 AM   
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Biorythm.

Let the games begin.

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I had considered biorythms, but when I plotted those out of interest they turned out to be out of sync with what was the state at the time, besides the intellectual cycle seems not to be apparent.


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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/15/2011 8:03:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aside from the hormonal thing which is disappearing fast........I haven't really noticed anything.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/17/2011 7:50:26 PM   
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"A cycle that repeats roughly every three weeks, a cycle which consists of about twelve days of feeling horny as hell and that followed by a similar period of creativity which evolves into spirituality until it goes full cycle into horny as hell again,"

This describes 12 days, then a similar period, 12 days would be similar, and then a spirituality "phase". That is pretty damn close to the lunar cycle.

"Aside from the hormonal thing which is disappearing fast........I haven't really noticed anything. "

Does that refer to "Eve's gift" or "The Curse" ? If so, I wonder if all menstrual cycles for example, are synchronized (somewhat) with the moon. I would tend to doubt it. However some are affected by physical force more, or less, than others. It is of course a proven fact that all of us weigh more or less during different times of the month. It is a small amount yes, but in this case all other things could indeed be equal. The body of a Man as well as a Woman are both made mostly of water. Witness the ebb and neap tides.

Now so far I've only addressed gravitational effects. If we want to delve into cultural influences consider the words to an old song - " When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie that's amore' ". Just what is so romantic about the moon ? Because it looks nice ? So does a waterfall and shit, so does a meadow full of dandelions (don't get me started on dandelions). So do kittens. So do 1970 Olds Toronados. So do Harley Davidsons. Is it because it's up in the sky ? Well then what about Aurora Borealis ?

So is it the heavenly object or the gravitational pull ? Well first of all you don't weigh the least when you see a full moon. You weigh the least at noon on the day you are getting a new moon. That will be when the tide is the highest, and if it really does make a difference, so will you.

However that is not to say that gravity is the only force extant here. There are more things in heaven and Earth [Horatio], than we will begin to understand. We didn't know about neutrinos until when ? We still can't say what their effect might be, and what of the stars ? What of the times when astrology was right ? What happens when the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars ? (Age Of Aquaius - Fifth Dimension) Where did that shit come from ? Anybody can say anything and if it's all bullshit nobody will listen. We didn't and still don't have the means to measure everything so they went by result based backward thinking.

I don't mean backward thinking in a bad way. Backward thinking is practiced every day, people just don't realize it. If a crackhead steals, why ? You know why. If someone rapes, they were horny beyond control. Of course execute them but the fact still remains. That is backward thinking.

So, a whole bunch of people born between July 22nd and August 23rd exhibited certain characteristics. More than the usual that would be expected. So over milennia, conclusions are drawn. Leo.

So, all that said, who is to say that each of us is responsive to exactly the same forces ? These forces are indeed minute in power, to the point that I would assert that even if we developed scientific means with which to measure them we might still find them below measurable levels. But what of the brain and central nervous system ? Sure they know alot, but they certainly don't know enough to say that it does not act as some sort of antenna for something that technology simply cannot yet detect. This would explain a few things of course, but I am not going to say flat out that it does. I only assert that we do not know. Remember the neutrinos.

So, what conclusions can we draw from all this ? You tell me.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/17/2011 7:56:29 PM   
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Anyone notice it, the way you are on a personal basis from day to day, week to week etc. Has anyone noticed a cycle operating within themselves that repeats on a periodic basis ?



They have done studies that show both men and women go through monthly cycles. Also they both go through a weekly mood cycle. Moods are best starting about noon on Thursday or Friday and then drop Sunday about noon. Hmmm. . . that seems to correspond to the standard work cycle.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/17/2011 8:34:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Also they both go through a weekly mood cycle."

Of course that would be societally induced. It makes it no less valid though.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/17/2011 10:18:28 PM   
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I've noticed this breathing thing is cyclic in nature. Just fucking amazing.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/18/2011 1:06:50 AM   
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I dont like to just do the same shit.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/18/2011 2:49:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty aware of my mood at any given time, and have not noticed any cycles, other than that I'm more strongly/emotionally affected by things a couple of days before my period.  But on a day-to-day or week-to-week, nah.  When my mood dips during the week, it's usually work-related, and then I notice that and pull myself back up (or try to).   My days are pretty full and aside from gym in the morning, work during the day, my evenings don't have much routine - I'm usually running errands, out with friends/family, or hanging out at home.  When I'm overdoing it, I feel tired and rest.  When I'm resting too long, I get busy and do something.

But I'm usually in a pretty good mood.  Even when dealing with challenges.


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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/18/2011 6:55:55 PM   
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So, all that said, who is to say that each of us is responsive to exactly the same forces ? These forces are indeed minute in power, to the point that I would assert that even if we developed scientific means with which to measure them we might still find them below measurable levels. But what of the brain and central nervous system ? Sure they know alot, but they certainly don't know enough to say that it does not act as some sort of antenna for something that technology simply cannot yet detect. This would explain a few things of course, but I am not going to say flat out that it does. I only assert that we do not know. Remember the neutrinos.
Tree ring growth is affected by the Lunar cycle, which is evidence that the lunar cycle has a measurable effect not just large bodies of water but on small bodies of water as well, such as terrestrial organic life.

Clearly, women are pretty well tuned to lunar cycles, and sexual response changes with that cycle, research indicates women are attracted to more "manly" men during their fertile phase, more nurturing men otherwise, and these cycles tend to synch up when when live together for an extended period, it's not inconceivable that a male cycle could synch up with a female one, or even vice versa - it's a relatively neglected area of research, possibly because it would have seemed outré for mainstream science even a few years ago, I mean the right is still trying to discredit Kinsey.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/18/2011 9:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		"and these cycles tend to synch up when when live together for an extended period,"

Is that to say there is no direct psysiological effect on males of the lunar cycle ? Actually I could undertand that with the plumbing involved, the male body would be less affected, it just seems logical. But no effect at all ? I dunno about that.

However I think psychological factors rule more than anything else (as long as terrestrial environmental variables are moot) almost all the times. Men have had sympathy pains, in fact I think I did once or twice. But they had never happened except under certain conditions and none of it was physical as far as I could tell. And it was a long time ago. Half the time I don't even feel my own pain now.

Seriously I've cut myself for example and didn't even notice until I saw blood, shit like that. Smashed my thumb and didn't feel it for five minutes. Things like that. That's neither here nor there but now that I mention it there are times I am more sensitive to physical pain. There are times you could stab me and I would light a cigarette (when I smoked), and other times that the smallest thing and I go OUCH ! Well not quite the smallest thing. But that varies as well and in re the OP, I wonder if others have noticable cycles in this respect or not. I have noticed that it varies but I have not nailed down any type of cycle. That would be hard to do I think, I would have to have a predetermined pain stimulus and then rate it, and there is no way in hell to make that subjective. But then what i s a predetermined pain stimulus ? If applied to the same place all the time it would have to escalate to be equal, but by how much ? If applied to different parts, that is no good because we know that different areas of the body have different thresholds for pain.

Another thing I've noticed that varies is my eyesight as well as hearing. It seems everything does, even physically. Even though the OP is more about pstchological aspects of this, there are indeed also physical aspects which should not be ignored.

But can we nail down the cycle ?

More later, time to shift outta overdrive. Must vegetate a bit and find something too mundane to stay up for. Gotta get up tomorrow. I need boredom.

Be back to this later.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/19/2011 7:26:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting replies, and the thought is perhaps we are influenced by much more than we think, but the moon did occur to me to be a possible influence, the lunar cycle and why not ?

Two parts of the country I have lived in where I have noticed an interest in the moon as part of everyday modern life; the North, a very fertile place where much of the vegetables are grown for such brands as 'Birdseye' and 'Golden Wonder', the farmers there are very tuned into the moon's aspects, and here now where I live next to the sea, those that work with the sea are also very tuned in and it is very obvious to see with the tides and those that hunt for fish, for the moon governs all.

As to humans, the moon affects us, the female period, ever notice females naturally tune into the full moon and in some parts of the world casualty departments and police forces refer to the full moon as 'blood moon', because of the heightened instance for alcohol abuse and it's side effects with some.

Here in the west, we tend to ignore the often white blob in the sky, but maybe it has far more influence on us than we think and if we observed those influences, maybe we would have more of a clue with much that presents itself to our society.

Then there is the origin of the term; lunacy, could that be linked to the observed blood moon ?

But with males, if we took notice of the natural cycles that move within us, maybe we could have more of a clue, as let's face it, if the moon affects women in such ways, why should it leave us alone, as gender isn't that much of a difference, we are all human and as humans just like everything else that grows, subject to gravitational and other forces exerted on us from the outside world. As just to remember because science has not yet discovered a way to quantify something, that does not mean that ancient observed forces do not exist, and some respect has to be shown to all those ancients that observed over millennia base lines what people do and are, and what madnesses grip us from time to time

But then if science fails to quantify, then I often view that as the difference between science and nature to be digital as opposed to analogue, which is the more subtle ?



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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/19/2011 10:20:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		"But then if science fails to quantify, then I often view that as the difference between science and nature to be digital as opposed to analogue, which is the more subtle ? "

Interesting analogy. Digital can be sliced up into very small but quantifiable parts, whereas analog cannot, unless you want to get down to molecules. Molecules are natural, bits and bytes are manmade. Thus the structure that I see, particularly. This is from your mind of course. Speaking of which I have noticed something.

This is not something bad or anything negative at all, but what I see in your posts is that your mind tends to think an issue out, especially when you initiate a post. You tend to give what I would term a "finished product". You have already thought it out and your questions are usually well defined, however sometimes if the answers don't quite match up you could find something in them. Like you're limiting the issue initially but accepting expansion readily. You may have trained yourself to do this over the years.

Animal experiments have proven that even a diurnal or nocturnal cycle can be changed, more than one would think. Normally that would indicate the independence of the organism from these environmental as well as celestial influences, but that is not proof. People can adapt. Animals can adapt, so humans can certainly adapt. We can live on something other than a 24 hour cycle. Lab specimens have been adapted up and down to like 15 to 31 hours under controlled conditions. This is prima facie evidence that these fields and forces, neutrinos and other particles have no effect. But to accept that fully might well be an exercise in post hoc ergo propter hoc.

When we had an economy, we had people here who were greedy, I mean workers. People who would work swing shifts and that goes one of two ways. You can swing from 1st to 2nd to 3rd or the other way. Go in eight hours early. Work a double maybe. But it seems like something that would really fuck with a person, but I know people who did it and it didn't seem to bother them. I think it would bother me, but it didn't bother them.

The one I knew the best, closest that I could take any good guess on is dead now. I can't really estimate the effects on his family because really, they are so fucked up in so many ways I can't even ......... I don't know. All of them have big problems and maybe if he would've been there instead of working all the time this would be different. Did he fuck up by letting his rhythm not sync in with his family ? No quality time ?

As usual, sorta, you bring up some intersting subjects and I am here to show you the pandora's box you opened. I hope you don't mind. These things are intereasting and it is good to try to step back and see things objectively.

At least that's what I think. Some people might disagree but fukum.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/19/2011 11:48:33 PM   
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... what I personally have been plotting on and off since I first noticed it in the late eighties. A cycle that repeats roughly every three weeks, a cycle which consists of about twelve days of feeling horny as hell and that followed by a similar period of creativity which evolves into spirituality until it goes full cycle into horny as hell again, permanent ground hog day.

Anyone understand what I am talking about, have they experienced similar, or is it just me ?

You are an extraordinary person, Aneirin. If ever you encounter someone similar to you, he might present with the same cycle.

Your observation is interesting. I would guess that it is both hormonal and neural. Is there any correlation with other phenomena, such as depression?

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/20/2011 3:02:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		T, I have a very erratic mind that cannot focus on something for long after I have understood what I was focusing on, and I also tend to go off on tangents a lot, you may have noticed. I think of something then go off on a research hunt, then ask others via forums what they think, all so I can further understand myself and I come to places like this, because intelligent conversation can be had, whereas, my living locale, not a fucking chance, and many of them possess degrees in science, engineering and other high brow subjects, they seem unable to think outside the box, outside their training.

Because I go off on tangents, I am forever misplacing things around my house, and rarely get anything done one job at a time, but this was always my way when I worked, much to the chagrin of all my past employers including the military, their idea of logical was not mine, and mine , not there's, but I was excellent in all my jobs, so how much an employer would like to kick me out the door, they couldn't because I was so good at my job.

But how my mind works, I am forever wondering, as it is an enigma to me, but I intend to find out, as it is my ultimate life desire to understand myself.

But, I have been diagnosed with mild autism, which transpires as Asperger's syndrome, and that only diagnosed in the last two years after a lifetime of just not understanding why it was I was exemplary at things others, the majority were not, and complete pants at the most basic of communication, again viewers may have noticed. I also possess a degree of paranoia, which I see as not a bad thing, because that was what made me so good at my past employment, I considered possibilities others did not and guarded against those possibilities occurring, a good thing don't you agree in such industries as aviation, tunneling, blasting, man riding and non man riding lifting equipment, breathing safety systems and hazardous gas detection. Things I fixed rarely went wrong again as I repaired using a holistic method, treating every sub system as essential to the system, a fault somewhere affects everything in some way, so not only was the fault found and repaired via creative visualisation, the whole machine was treated similarly, I was slow but very thorough and I understand a thorough pain in the ass to every employer.

Oh yeah and in answer to Rule, I have suffered depression most of my life, depression which cycles very high and very low at erratic intervals, something which I feel is now coming under control, or it's buggering off as I understand more about myself. I tend to notice the cycles I mentioned in the OP when it is I have routine, as normally my sleeping and eating patterns are also erratic, sometimes I don't eat for days and it is usual I might sleep every couple of days when it is I have an interest on. Another thing I have noticed, is my mind comes alive at night and this is where I have learned at night, late and very early mid morning around 3 to 4 am, I am at my best for anything requiring deep thought, it is at that time I am also my most creative, which tends to annoy my neighbours.

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RE: The cycle of life ? - 9/21/2011 5:41:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		The real problem here I think is that this (the US) is perhaps the only country in the world that was from it's founding, governed by the 24 hour clock, and we are organized and regimented as a society around it - every other culture in the world organized itself around some sort of natural rhythm, for the simple reason clocks did not exist, and we, as a culture tend to look down on that.

I think that erects a significant obstacle to any sort of study of natural rhythms.

Me: (pondering) "Hmm, that's interesting I wonder what the deal is with this natural rhythm stuff - oops! x o'clock, I'm late for work!".



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