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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 12:52:34 PM

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Read the CDC site not a bunch of anecdotes published in newspapers. The fact is that Gardasil has been administered millions of times and no adverse reactions beyond the ones associated with all injections have ever been found. In any large group of people there will always be deaths and strange illnesses and that is all that has happened with Gardasil. The CDC has more than enough data to show a pattern if there was one to find.

That would be the same CDC that finally (those "anecdotes" yanno) in 2003 asked the IOM to look into the possibility that inhaling mold spores might contribute to respiratory problems. Lo and behold, the IOM found "an association" between the presence of mold and "certain health effects."

It took five years for those findings to be posted to the CDC website, however, and then only thanks to a letter writing campaign by The Center for School Mold Help, which also sought inclusion of the WHO's 2009 findings and guidelines, to which a link was finally added in 2010.

Now look, I'm not faulting the CDC. No government agency (or any other, for that matter) is perfect. But for you to stand there like a priest dismissing heresy, touting your faith's Holy Website as the only measure of truth, is just a bit disconnected from the realities of this all-too-imperfect world.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 12:56:04 PM

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How's about $11,000 to anyone who can prove that there's "57 states?"

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 12:57:49 PM

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Are you going to attempt to collect popeye?

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 1:03:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Read the CDC site not a bunch of anecdotes published in newspapers. The fact is that Gardasil has been administered millions of times and no adverse reactions beyond the ones associated with all injections have ever been found. In any large group of people there will always be deaths and strange illnesses and that is all that has happened with Gardasil. The CDC has more than enough data to show a pattern if there was one to find.

That would be the same CDC that finally (those "anecdotes" yanno) in 2003 asked the IOM to look into the possibility that inhaling mold spores might contribute to respiratory problems. Lo and behold, the IOM found "an association" between the presence of mold and "certain health effects."

It took five years for those findings to be posted to the CDC website, however, and then only thanks to a letter writing campaign by The Center for School Mold Help, which also sought inclusion of the WHO's 2009 findings and guidelines, to which a link was finally added in 2010.

Now look, I'm not faulting the CDC. No government agency (or any other, for that matter) is perfect. But for you to stand there like a priest dismissing heresy, touting your faith's Holy Website as the only measure of truth, is a bit disconnected from reality.

K.

We had the same accusations and the same up in arms worry over MMRs and the rest.

Im still waiting for the link.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 1:41:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Read the CDC site not a bunch of anecdotes published in newspapers. The fact is that Gardasil has been administered millions of times and no adverse reactions beyond the ones associated with all injections have ever been found. In any large group of people there will always be deaths and strange illnesses and that is all that has happened with Gardasil. The CDC has more than enough data to show a pattern if there was one to find.

That would be the same CDC that finally (those "anecdotes" yanno) in 2003 asked the IOM to look into the possibility that inhaling mold spores might contribute to respiratory problems. Lo and behold, the IOM found "an association" between the presence of mold and "certain health effects."

It took five years for those findings to be posted to the CDC website, however, and then only thanks to a letter writing campaign by The Center for School Mold Help, which also sought inclusion of the WHO's 2009 findings and guidelines, to which a link was finally added in 2010.

Now look, I'm not faulting the CDC. No government agency (or any other, for that matter) is perfect. But for you to stand there like a priest dismissing heresy, touting your faith's Holy Website as the only measure of truth, is just a bit disconnected from the realities of this all-too-imperfect world.

K.

So you didn't look at the CDC site I take it. Then you don't know that the adverse reaction reports are public data.
http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

So your whine fest about the CDC response to the issue of mold has dick all to do with the subject at hand. Now why not deal with the actual facts and not your psuedoscientific bullshit?

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 2:05:54 PM

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the subject at hand...

The subject at hand was the CDC, per you.

Please try to remember what you post so you can follow along intelligently?

K.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 3:28:13 PM

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the subject at hand...

The subject at hand was the CDC, per you.

Please try to remember what you post so you can follow along intelligently?

K.

No, the subject at hand was a lie told about a very safe vaccine. I brought up the CDC because they provide data that proves how safe it is. Your red herring had nothing to do with how the CDC handles vaccine data and was not even in the same field of public health research. You tried to argue that because, in your opinion, the CDC did a bad job on an environmental health hazard their collecting of data on vaccination side effects was invalid. That is a jump you simply cannot make.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 3:32:28 PM

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Has anyone found said mother and child or even medical records?
no matter what the CDC or WHO says, it doesnt change the fact that she is lying and got caught out... when are these dumbarsed pols going to get it into their tiny minds that if they lie, they are gonna catch flack for it, these days, yes everyone is watching every word.on ALLLLLL sides.
Trying to make out she isnt a doctor is really a pathetic excuse.
The quicker they learn the better.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 3:40:59 PM

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Thank God she is shooting herself in the foot.

I am offering a $1.00 bet that she will hang it up in the next 60days.

That pretty much goes wiithuot question.

She was always too stupid to have any serious chance.

She can't seem to refrain from saying the most ridiculous remarks.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 3:43:38 PM

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Has anyone found said mother and child or even medical records?
no matter what the CDC or WHO says, it doesnt change the fact that she is lying and got caught out... when are these dumbarsed pols going to get it into their tiny minds that if they lie, they are gonna catch flack for it, these days, yes everyone is watching every word.on ALLLLLL sides.
Trying to make out she isnt a doctor is really a pathetic excuse.
The quicker they learn the better.

Of course no one has found the mother or child. They don't exist. With the state of the anti vax movement in the US anyone who could actually back up such a claim would be all over the media and would be a cause celebre of the nutcases.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 3:44:51 PM

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Thats what I thought:)

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 3:49:08 PM

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A favorite medical bloggers response to Bachmann
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/09/michelle_bachmanns_anti-vaccine_statement.php

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 4:28:47 PM

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"Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines."

Why did they stop using it ?

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 4:48:31 PM

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Thimerosal
Information about Thimerosal
Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines.

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. There is no convincing evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/index.html

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 5:09:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines."

Why did they stop using it ?

T^T

Strictly to appease the nuts. The quantities in vaccines was tiny and since being removed the rates of all the stuff blamed on it have either stayed the same or increased.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 5:16:08 PM

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just give me 11k, it won't be long before we are all trading carrots for wood anyway

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/16/2011 7:44:51 PM

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If the vaccine is what allegedly causes retardation, what's Bachman's excuse?

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/17/2011 12:20:32 AM

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Of course no one has found the mother or child. They don't exist.

Of course they don't exist. None of them exist.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2010/VAERS-052009-to-092010.pdf

K.

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/17/2011 12:33:26 AM

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From the first report...

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It was reported that the patient was aware that she was pregnant but did not disclose this information to her health care provider until after vaccination

From Mercks site

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GARDASIL® is Pregnancy Category B. Animal reproductive toxicology studies have revealed no evidence of impaired female fertility or harm to the fetus due to GARDASIL®. However, because there are no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women, and animal reproduction studies are not always predictive of human response, GARDASIL® is not recommended for use in pregnant women.1

http://www.merckpregnancyregistries.com/gardasil.html

There is also Zoloft indicated on her chart.. which is contraindicated in Prengancy.. especaially the last trimester.

From the report again...

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Subsequently the patient delivered via vaginal delivery a "healthy baby boy but had gastroschisis". The baby was born on 07-APR-2007 and APGAR scores were 8 and 9 at one and five minutes, respectively

Apgar scores are great.

Zoloft Side Effects

Risk of Birth Defects

Taking Zoloft during pregnancy has been found to increase the risk of certain birth defects in an unborn fetus. If taken during pregnancy, Zoloft can cross the placental barrier and enter the fetal blood stream, where the drug may interfere with normal growth development and lead to serious and potentially fatal defects.

Studies have shown that Zoloft can double the risk of heart defects if taken during the first trimester of pregnancy.

Birth defects linked to the use of Zoloft during pregnancy include:

Atrial septal defects (ASD)
Ventricular septal defects (VSD)
Persistent pulmonary hypertension of the newborn (PPHN)
Omphalocele (development of the intestines outside of the body)
Gastroschisis (development of the stomach and bowel outside of the body)
Craniosynotostosis (malformation of the skull)
Anal atresia (absent or obstructed opening of the anus)
Clubfoot
Lower limb reduction defects (problems with development of the lower limbs)

http://www.drugwatch.com/zoloft/side-effects.php

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RE: $11k if you can prove Michelle Bachmann wasn't lying - 9/17/2011 12:58:04 AM

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From the first report...

There's a lot of reports there, and many of them are questionable or incomplete. That's the nature of the beast. I'm sure you'll find more interesting reading if you look hard enough, or you can decide to go have a nice lunch.

Sanevax: Discovery of HPV DNA contaminant in Gardasil
Sanevax: Request that FDA rescind its approval for Gardasil

K.

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