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Fightdirecto -> The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 12:36:18 PM)

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Today, a coalition of progressive groups announced the formation of Constitutional Progressives, an effort to push back against the radical politics of "constitutional conservatives:" the claims, for example, that the Affordable Care Act, or even Social Security, are unconstitutional; that "activist judges" shouldn't decide the constitutionality of legal measures intended to protect the rights of fellow citizens; that birthright citizenship is unconstitutional; that regulation of business is contrary to constitutional principles and "liberty;" and in some extreme cases, that secession may be necessary.

Conservatives are big on touting themselves as "constitutional conservatives," signaling their hostility, in short, to 20th century legislative reforms and jurisprudence and, in some cases, the very purposes of the post-Civil War amendments to the Constitution. Ed Kilgore neatly summed up the views of "constitutional conservatives" in a piece about Michele Bachmann's use of the label to describe herself:

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Constitutional conservatives think of America as a sort of ruined paradise, bestowed a perfect form of government by its wise Founders but gradually imperiled by the looting impulses of voters and politicians. In their backwards-looking vision, constitutional conservatives like to talk about the inalienable rights conferred by the Founders—not specifically in the Constitution, as a matter of fact, but in the Declaration of Independence, which is frequently and intentionally conflated with the Constitution as the part of the Founders’ design. It’s from the Declaration, for instance, that today’s conservatives derive their belief that “natural rights” (often interpreted to include quasi-absolute property rights or the prerogatives of the traditional family), as well as the “rights of the unborn,” were fundamental to the American political experiment and made immutable by their divine origin.


Constitutional Progressives has produced a blistering video demonstrating how "Constitutional Conservatives love the Constitution – except for the parts they don't:"Constitutional Conservatives vs. the Constitution

"There is no greater threat to our values than the tea party’s effort to make America’s progress unconstitutional," said Doug Kendall, president of Constitutional Accountability Center. "For the first time, progressives now have a coordinated response to this theft of our Nation’s Charter. Building on the momentum of thousands of Americans who have already pledged to support the whole Constitution, progressives are taking the fight to the tea party."

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The Whole Constitution Pledge

Through the Constitution, “We the People” created the most enduring government charter in world history.

Building on the achievements of the Founding generation, successive generations of Americans have created a “more perfect union” through constitutional Amendments. These Amendments have improved our Constitution by ending slavery, enshrining guarantees of equality and citizenship, expanding the right to vote, and ensuring that the national government has the power and resources necessary to protect the nation, address national challenges and secure civil rights.

Some have advocated repeal of Amendments, including the 14th Amendment, the 16th Amendment, and the 17th Amendment, that make our Constitution better and this country great. Some have even failed to heed the lessons of the Civil War and the Civil Rights Movement and have advocated a return to ideas of secession and nullification.

I believe that our Constitution has been improved by the Amendments adopted over the last 220 years.

I pledge to support the whole Constitution.





tazzygirl -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 3:20:34 PM)

What happened to the Coffee Party?




StrangerThan -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 4:06:00 PM)

constitutional progressive = oxymoron




slvemike4u -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 5:47:40 PM)

Theres a solid argument....[8|]




slvemike4u -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 5:54:38 PM)

That wasn't fair,but I would like to ask what makes it an oxymoron....why can't we have Constitutional Progressives,certainly we have strict Constitutionalists who would love to see a number of amendments repealed....would it not follow that there would be a group of folks with a contradictory position who would like to emphasize their appreciation of the Constitution with all the amendments intact?




provfivetine -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 6:25:39 PM)

Constitutional Progressive. HAH!

How about a carcinogen-free cigar or some fat-free bacon?




slvemike4u -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 6:32:37 PM)

Or you with sense [:)]




Sanity -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 6:43:32 PM)

[image]http://urbanreviewstl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/nationalmall.jpg[/image]

Yeah... and heres their big rally on the national mall... [;)]




Epytropos -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 6:54:32 PM)

The Constitution is inherently non-progressive. That's the entire point. If you want progress, you don't write a list of restrictions, you let things progress naturally. If you want to have the constitution progress, you need amendments, which of course is not what they propose because that would be time consuming (as the founders intended) and require a significant majority (as the founders intended).




Sanity -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 6:58:32 PM)


Did the Coffee Party fall asleep




Hillwilliam -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 9:59:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Did the Coffee Party fall asleep


Someone slipped em decaf




Real0ne -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 11:27:13 PM)

like the assholes that want to make a fetus a per'son, these fucking morons

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"There is no greater threat to our values than the tea party’s effort to make America’s progress unconstitutional," said Doug Kendall, president of Constitutional Accountability Center. "For the first time, progressives now have a coordinated response to this theft of our Nation’s Charter. Building on the momentum of thousands of Americans who have already pledged to support the whole Constitution, progressives are taking the fight to the tea party."


dont know the first damn thing about what they are talking about.

this place is on a fast track down the shitter.

unreal

progress nice label for usurpation










ClassIsInSession -> RE: The Constitutional Progressives - Counterweight to the Tea Party (9/15/2011 11:38:21 PM)

Constitutional Progressives don't need a group, the vast majority of Constitutional Progressives are already running and ruining the government in both parties.

The biggest problems we have is too much legislation, just look at the volume of legislation regarding tax law in and of itself. IRS auditors have even admitted it would be impossible to completely understand it all. That's just ridiculous and gives far too much ability to abuse the system at the whims of one party or the other.

The beauty of the Constitution is in its simplicity.

As to any doubt a fetus is a living organism, it's just as much alive as any other human being, its heart beats. Fetus is just a label to strip the humanity out of it.
I support freedom of choice, but that choice happens when you're having sex not 3 months later. Wear a condom.




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