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Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 12:42:44 PM   
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Its as if this administration is purposely trying to break us as a nation:

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AP Exclusive: Long-term care plan alarms ignored


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Even as leading Democrats offered assurances to the contrary, government experts repeatedly warned that a new long-term care insurance plan could go belly up, saddling taxpayers with another underfunded benefit program, according to emails disclosed by congressional investigators.

Part of President Barack Obama's health care law, the program is in limbo as a congressional debt panel searches for budget savings and behind the scenes, administration officials scramble to find a viable financing formula.

A longstanding priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program, or CLASS, was spliced into the health care law despite nagging budget worries. Administration emails and documents reveal that alarms were sounded earlier and more widely than previously thought. Congressional Republicans seeking repeal of the program provided the materials to The Associated Press. "Seems like a recipe for disaster to me," William Marton, a senior aging policy official in the administration, wrote in an October 2009 email. Marton explained his concern that large numbers of healthy people would not willingly sign up for CLASS, creating a predicament in which soaring premiums for a smaller group of frail beneficiaries would destabilize the program.

...

CLASS was intended as voluntary long-term care insurance plan, supported by premiums, not taxpayer dollars. Workers would pay an affordable sum of around $100 a month or less. In exchange, they would receive a modest daily cash benefit averaging no less than $50 if they become disabled later in life. Beneficiaries could use the money for services to help them stay at home, or to help with nursing home bills. The Health and Human Services Department is supposed to set the final premiums and benefit levels in the coming months.

But the program is on a collision course with powerful demographic and economic forces. How to pay the exorbitant cost of long-term care remains a major unmet need for an aging society. On the other hand, many economic experts believe the government has already promised seniors more than it can deliver, and now is not the time to launch another program likely to need a taxpayer bailout or new mandates.

...

Publicly, the administration maintained it would all work out. A December 2009 presentation for senior officials stressed the end result would be a financially robust program.

In private, administration insiders were still spelling out concerns...

Full article here


Another reason to read the bill BEFORE you find out whats in it, as well





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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 12:55:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Its as if this administration is purposely trying to break us as a nation:

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AP Exclusive: Long-term care plan alarms ignored


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Even as leading Democrats offered assurances to the contrary, government experts repeatedly warned that a new long-term care insurance plan could go belly up, saddling taxpayers with another underfunded benefit program, according to emails disclosed by congressional investigators.

Part of President Barack Obama's health care law, the program is in limbo as a congressional debt panel searches for budget savings and behind the scenes, administration officials scramble to find a viable financing formula.

A longstanding priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program, or CLASS, was spliced into the health care law despite nagging budget worries. Administration emails and documents reveal that alarms were sounded earlier and more widely than previously thought. Congressional Republicans seeking repeal of the program provided the materials to The Associated Press. "Seems like a recipe for disaster to me," William Marton, a senior aging policy official in the administration, wrote in an October 2009 email. Marton explained his concern that large numbers of healthy people would not willingly sign up for CLASS, creating a predicament in which soaring premiums for a smaller group of frail beneficiaries would destabilize the program.

...

CLASS was intended as voluntary long-term care insurance plan, supported by premiums, not taxpayer dollars. Workers would pay an affordable sum of around $100 a month or less. In exchange, they would receive a modest daily cash benefit averaging no less than $50 if they become disabled later in life. Beneficiaries could use the money for services to help them stay at home, or to help with nursing home bills. The Health and Human Services Department is supposed to set the final premiums and benefit levels in the coming months.

But the program is on a collision course with powerful demographic and economic forces. How to pay the exorbitant cost of long-term care remains a major unmet need for an aging society. On the other hand, many economic experts believe the government has already promised seniors more than it can deliver, and now is not the time to launch another program likely to need a taxpayer bailout or new mandates.

...

Publicly, the administration maintained it would all work out. A December 2009 presentation for senior officials stressed the end result would be a financially robust program.

In private, administration insiders were still spelling out concerns...

Full article here


Another reason to read the bill BEFORE you find out whats in it, as well


And did you read the bill, Sanity? There's a MOUNTAIN of evidence on these forums that point that you never read the actual bill. Nor the one the House and Senate voted on in seperate votes before agreeing on the A.A.C.A. of 2010. Based on that, its good money that says you never read the President's bill. I read all those bills. Ever read the A.R.R.A? Do you know what that stands for Sanity and what it covers?

The A.A.C.A. is an 'ok' bill that could have been better. However, the President decided to try to be bipartisan towards a group of Republicans that seek to undermine the nation in every manner. The President's bill was much better than the current bill on the books. But since you (like 97% of conservatives in the nation) never read the bill to know why.

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 1:32:31 PM   
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Its as if this administration is purposely trying to break us as a nation:


The only appealing reason to repeal Healthcare is that it would be one less topic for you to addleheadedly rant about

"AP exclusive" ... does that mean they were the only wire agency with low enough standards to carry the story?

Hey, better yet, show us articles about the companies that have declared bankruptcy or gone into a protected re-org citing the cost of health insurance? With all the shit being spread om the fields by bull ranchers like yourself, perhaps you can find those cases that THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN'T


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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 1:40:15 PM   
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"AP exclusive" ... does that mean they were the only wire agency with low enough standards to carry the story?



Just curious if you'd feel up to naming some news sources that you feel have higher standards. =)

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 1:42:39 PM   
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Im sure he can, he is an expert on everything. Just ask him...

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"AP exclusive" ... does that mean they were the only wire agency with low enough standards to carry the story?



Just curious if you'd feel up to naming some news sources that you feel have higher standards. =)


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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 1:56:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		He never reads the bills/articals/storys.

He just goes with the far right extreme spin,verbatom.

Then he finds out the bill or whatever never said what he claims,and looks really dumb.

Sometimes it`s the opposite of what he re-regurgitates.lol

The embarassment never seems to faze him.Like it`s not even on the radar.


Health care repeal's cost: $230 billion to deficit

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/06/news/economy/health_care_repeal_cost/index.htm



NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- It's one of the promises on which House Republicans campaigned: If elected, we will repeal health care reform.

One problem: Rolling back the law would probably increase federal budget deficits by a total of about $230 billion by 2021, according to a preliminary estimate released Thursday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office


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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 5:52:39 PM   
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"AP exclusive" ... does that mean they were the only wire agency with low enough standards to carry the story?



Just curious if you'd feel up to naming some news sources that you feel have higher standards. =)


His three main sources of information are HuffPo, DailyKos and the Bruins_Blog. One out of three isnt bad.

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 5:56:33 PM   
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Just curious if you'd feel up to naming some news sources that you feel have higher standards. =)


Who fucking cares what you're curious about?




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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 5:58:53 PM   
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Im sure he can, he is an expert on everything. Just ask him...


Only in regard to your spectrum of expertise... but thank you.


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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 6:02:40 PM   
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Why doesn't he bring any of that to these pages? Certainly he wouldn't sound like such an asshole if he could learn to simply stick to things he knows shit about( though for the life of me I can not imagine what subject sanity might have some expertise in )

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 6:03:59 PM   
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Just curious if you'd feel up to naming some news sources that you feel have higher standards. =)


Who fucking cares what you're curious about?





I do. Which is why I asked. ;)

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 8:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Ron Paul knows something about uninsured men dying without health insurance. Kent Snyder, who was Paul's 2008 presidential campaign manager, died on June 26 of that year without any medical coverage. His hospital bills had accumulated to $400,000 at the time of his passing.
The Washington Post noted in an obituary for Snyder, 49:
"Mr. Snyder had been associated with Paul, a Texas Republican with Libertarian leanings, for more than 20 years. He worked as a top aide for Paul in 1988, when the congressman sought the presidency on the Libertarian ticket.
In 2007, Mr. Snyder helped persuade Paul to launch a bid for the Republican nomination and served as chairman of his campaign. Paul raised millions of dollars from online contributors, leading all Republican contenders early in the race. He failed to attract many voters, however, and ended his candidacy in June."
So, an aide who was pivotal to the political fortunes and fundraising for Paul wasn't even given health insurance - in his hour of need - by the libertarian Congressman.
By now, almost all BuzzFlash at Truthout readers know or saw how the bloodlust of the Tea Party roared with approval when Paul said that people without health insurance are taking their own risks, and that is the way it should be.
A Pensito Review article from 2008 noted, "Snyder's death and his lack of health insurance has triggered a behind-the-scenes debate among Paul supporters and libertarian activists over whether or not the Paul campaign should have provided health insurance to its staff."
Actually, Paul was a touch more compassionate then his gladiator fight audience. He said that the churches should provide health care to the uninsured, that "our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it."
That's not how it played itself out with your longtime fundraiser and campaign manager, Kent Snyder, Dr. Paul.
He didn't even get the health coverage he needed from you, nor did you pick up his $400,000 medical care bill after he died."
http://www.truth-out.org/uninsured-ron-paul-his-2008-campaign-manager-died-owing-400000-medical-care/1316008224

Yeah, we should all bop down to the Westboro Baptist "Church" and get $400,000. Stupid ratfuckers.

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 9:02:01 PM   
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Its as if this administration is purposely trying to break us as a nation:

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AP Exclusive: Long-term care plan alarms ignored


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Even as leading Democrats offered assurances to the contrary, government experts repeatedly warned that a new long-term care insurance plan could go belly up, saddling taxpayers with another underfunded benefit program, according to emails disclosed by congressional investigators.

Part of President Barack Obama's health care law, the program is in limbo as a congressional debt panel searches for budget savings and behind the scenes, administration officials scramble to find a viable financing formula.

A longstanding priority of the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports program, or CLASS, was spliced into the health care law despite nagging budget worries. Administration emails and documents reveal that alarms were sounded earlier and more widely than previously thought. Congressional Republicans seeking repeal of the program provided the materials to The Associated Press. "Seems like a recipe for disaster to me," William Marton, a senior aging policy official in the administration, wrote in an October 2009 email. Marton explained his concern that large numbers of healthy people would not willingly sign up for CLASS, creating a predicament in which soaring premiums for a smaller group of frail beneficiaries would destabilize the program.

...

CLASS was intended as voluntary long-term care insurance plan, supported by premiums, not taxpayer dollars. Workers would pay an affordable sum of around $100 a month or less. In exchange, they would receive a modest daily cash benefit averaging no less than $50 if they become disabled later in life. Beneficiaries could use the money for services to help them stay at home, or to help with nursing home bills. The Health and Human Services Department is supposed to set the final premiums and benefit levels in the coming months.

But the program is on a collision course with powerful demographic and economic forces. How to pay the exorbitant cost of long-term care remains a major unmet need for an aging society. On the other hand, many economic experts believe the government has already promised seniors more than it can deliver, and now is not the time to launch another program likely to need a taxpayer bailout or new mandates.

...

Publicly, the administration maintained it would all work out. A December 2009 presentation for senior officials stressed the end result would be a financially robust program.

In private, administration insiders were still spelling out concerns...

Full article here


Another reason to read the bill BEFORE you find out whats in it, as well






Can you explain to me why every other country has healthcare but somehow it is going to to break what is considered the wealthiest nation in the world?

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 9:05:18 PM   
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His three main sources of information are HuffPo, DailyKos and the Bruins_Blog. One out of three isnt bad.


You talking about your adoptee's sourcing? Sure I'll own bruinsblog (they sure had you eating shit a few months back), but generally, I like Reuters quite a bit. Bloomberg ain't bad either,
But when I want to figure your stuff out I usually consult the show Archer on FX and for Heretic and Sanity, I generally consult "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia".



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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 9:10:27 PM   
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I do. Which is why I asked. ;)


How nice for you.




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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/15/2011 9:17:41 PM   
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Can you explain to me why every other country has healthcare but somehow it is going to to break what is considered the wealthiest nation in the world?



I'd love for some right wing politician (say Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry) to answer that question.  For some reason, the media has avoided asking it. 

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/16/2011 3:31:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dont get me started on ObamaCare. This is America Not Communist Russia. If you cannot afford your Health Care or Health Insurance you deserve to die. The big government shouldnt be stealing money from its citizens to help keep them alive in healthy. If you want health care you are free to live this great country and go be a citizen in another country that actually cares about the health and well being of their citizens or any human being like Canada. It plain stupid and moronic that these libtards want to push their progressive socialist agenda of stealing money from its citizens to actually take care of its citizens. Besides all those lazy homeless people will not being pay their fair share. Why should the Rich help the poor, its completely UN-American and Anti-Capitalist. The poor are poor for a reason and dont give me crap about "economic hardship", "Accidents", or "Acts of Gods like hurricanes" God wanted you poor for a reason otherwise you would be rich. Jesus didnt feed or heal the poor for free he made them pay. Besides if the poor can pay for food & Refrigerators they can pay for health care because the necessity the eat is not vital to living.

Good God this is what is wrong with America. They have become a bunch of bitchy, self-entitled, for the common good dumbasses like the 9/11 first responders who want tax payer money to help pay for their health care for their heroic actions that save people lives. Well too damn bad. They knew the risk going in, they had the Freedom not to go and no to get sick and not get cancer. But No they went and did what did and now you have to pay the consequences. Thats life, deal with it. Its like they are craving bureaucratic death panels.that may vote to save their life instead of just letting them die

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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/16/2011 3:35:04 AM   
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Oh, you mean, countries like... Greece?

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Can you explain to me why every other country has healthcare but somehow it is going to to break what is considered the wealthiest nation in the world?



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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/16/2011 4:05:39 AM   
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Dont get me started on ObamaCare. This is America Not Communist Russia. If you cannot afford your Health Care or Health Insurance you deserve to die. The big government shouldnt be stealing money from its citizens to help keep them alive in healthy. If you want health care you are free to live this great country and go be a citizen in another country that actually cares about the health and well being of their citizens or any human being like Canada. It plain stupid and moronic that these libtards want to push their progressive socialist agenda of stealing money from its citizens to actually take care of its citizens. Besides all those lazy homeless people will not being pay their fair share. Why should the Rich help the poor, its completely UN-American and Anti-Capitalist. The poor are poor for a reason and dont give me crap about "economic hardship", "Accidents", or "Acts of Gods like hurricanes" God wanted you poor for a reason otherwise you would be rich. Jesus didnt feed or heal the poor for free he made them pay. Besides if the poor can pay for food & Refrigerators they can pay for health care because the necessity the eat is not vital to living.

Good God this is what is wrong with America. They have become a bunch of bitchy, self-entitled, for the common good dumbasses like the 9/11 first responders who want tax payer money to help pay for their health care for their heroic actions that save people lives. Well too damn bad. They knew the risk going in, they had the Freedom not to go and no to get sick and not get cancer. But No they went and did what did and now you have to pay the consequences. Thats life, deal with it. Its like they are craving bureaucratic death panels.that may vote to save their life instead of just letting them die

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This is the biggest load of tripe I've read today.

You say "this" is what's wrong with America? No. Trust me. People like you are what is wrong with America.

You have no clue how socialized medicine works. The systems in place in many countries may not be perfect, but they are a far sight better than what the USA has.

I suppose for you, a corporate executive who decides how people will be insured and is more concerned with securing a profit than he/she is with the health and well-being of those who pay into his/her insurance plan, is a better option than one where profit is not the motivating factor.

You should hope that you aren't in a situation where you're denied the type of healthcare insurance that you so love because of an ailment you weren't expecting to happen, does. What kind of human being are you, who lacks such compassion? Not a very good one, I'd say.

I won't even address any of the other offensive bits of garbage you posted.


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RE: Another reason to repeal Obamacare - 9/16/2011 4:07:17 AM   
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