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Politesub53 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 6:10:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

1. Bullshit, youre parroting those who dont like my back up.
2. You apparently dont know what a troll is, since your response has nothing to do with my comment.



1)Agreed, thats why I am still waiting for back up on a post you made over a week ago.
2)Troll ? pot kettle and black springs to mind.
3)Anyone can see how you operate, so no need to play coy and pretend we have you all wrong.




Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 8:46:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Masta808

Like what Rick Perry is doing? I didnt know that was wrong. It just proves America is a Capitalist Country, anything can be bought or sold.



Too bad Perry didnt do anything. Anyone can offer whatever support they want, show me where it was reciprocated and youve got something to talk about. And btw, you should try to do better than "thinkprogress" as a source. There is little they write that cant be easily discredited, as is this attempt to smear someone over nothing.


Does it really matter that thinkprogress is a leftist site. After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing. So you will never accept a leftist site for reporting their Facts and Evidence. Maybe this Miami Herald Article on how Rick Perry became a millionaire while in office is more neutral but then again we know the mainstream media has a liberal bias except for the Most Watched 24 hour new network Fox News who is not mainstream by being the most watched. After I m just posting links because we all know that liberals cannot accept what say to be true, they want us to back it up with "proof". Like this whole Michele Bachmann vaccine thing. Just accept it as fact.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:03:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Masta808

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Masta808

Like what Rick Perry is doing? I didnt know that was wrong. It just proves America is a Capitalist Country, anything can be bought or sold.



Too bad Perry didnt do anything. Anyone can offer whatever support they want, show me where it was reciprocated and youve got something to talk about. And btw, you should try to do better than "thinkprogress" as a source. There is little they write that cant be easily discredited, as is this attempt to smear someone over nothing.


Does it really matter that thinkprogress is a leftist site. After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing. So you will never accept a leftist site for reporting their Facts and Evidence. Maybe this Miami Herald Article on how Rick Perry became a millionaire while in office is more neutral but then again we know the mainstream media has a liberal bias except for the Most Watched 24 hour new network Fox News who is not mainstream by being the most watched. After I m just posting links because we all know that liberals cannot accept what say to be true, they want us to back it up with "proof". Like this whole Michele Bachmann vaccine thing. Just accept it as fact.



You're posts have actually been quite educational. Until you came along I didn't realize that the schools in Hawaii are as bad as they are in Hudson County, NJ.




FirmhandKY -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:11:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

... After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing.

The "problem" isn't necessarily what GE is doing, if it is legal.  What is questionable is the ethics and morality of Obama and his minions, who rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share" and such, and then coddles one of the worst examples of the types of businesses he excoriates.

Firm




Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:17:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Masta808

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Masta808

Like what Rick Perry is doing? I didnt know that was wrong. It just proves America is a Capitalist Country, anything can be bought or sold.



Too bad Perry didnt do anything. Anyone can offer whatever support they want, show me where it was reciprocated and youve got something to talk about. And btw, you should try to do better than "thinkprogress" as a source. There is little they write that cant be easily discredited, as is this attempt to smear someone over nothing.


Does it really matter that thinkprogress is a leftist site. After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing. So you will never accept a leftist site for reporting their Facts and Evidence. Maybe this Miami Herald Article on how Rick Perry became a millionaire while in office is more neutral but then again we know the mainstream media has a liberal bias except for the Most Watched 24 hour new network Fox News who is not mainstream by being the most watched. After I m just posting links because we all know that liberals cannot accept what say to be true, they want us to back it up with "proof". Like this whole Michele Bachmann vaccine thing. Just accept it as fact.



You're posts have actually been quite educational. Until you came along I didn't realize that the schools in Hawaii are as bad as they are in Hudson County, NJ.


So all you have are insults? What using leftist attacks instead of debating me. And didnt you know people born in Hawaii are not Americans because they dont have a long form birth certificate.




Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:19:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

... After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing.

The "problem" isn't necessarily what GE is doing, if it is legal.  What is questionable is the ethics and morality of Obama and his minions, who rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share" and such, and then coddles one of the worst examples of the types of businesses he excoriates.

Firm


So he following the examples of the what the Republicans did. So its Hypocritical of Obama to do exactly what the republicans did and the Republicans are going to call him out on that?





Owner59 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:23:33 PM)

This is like whores complaining about prostitution..




Sanity -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:32:05 PM)


When did Republicans rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share"

You got a link to that?

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Masta808

... After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing.

The "problem" isn't necessarily what GE is doing, if it is legal.  What is questionable is the ethics and morality of Obama and his minions, who rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share" and such, and then coddles one of the worst examples of the types of businesses he excoriates.

Firm


So he following the examples of the what the Republicans did. So its Hypocritical of Obama to do exactly what the republicans did and the Republicans are going to call him out on that?






Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:34:12 PM)

So you dont want Obama do exactly what the republicans did?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:34:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


When did Republicans rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share"

You got a link to that?

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Masta808

... After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing.

The "problem" isn't necessarily what GE is doing, if it is legal.  What is questionable is the ethics and morality of Obama and his minions, who rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share" and such, and then coddles one of the worst examples of the types of businesses he excoriates.

Firm


So he following the examples of the what the Republicans did. So its Hypocritical of Obama to do exactly what the republicans did and the Republicans are going to call him out on that?





While trying to pretend to be a conservative he gets confused with his lib talking points. He doesnt even remember that his profile says he hates conservative politics. And he claims he's 27. My "guest" is his mom regulates his internet usage.




Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:37:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


When did Republicans rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share"

You got a link to that?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Masta808

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Masta808

... After all I said I see nothing wrong with what GE is doing.

The "problem" isn't necessarily what GE is doing, if it is legal.  What is questionable is the ethics and morality of Obama and his minions, who rail against "Big Business" and the "super-rich who don't pay their fair share" and such, and then coddles one of the worst examples of the types of businesses he excoriates.

Firm


So he following the examples of the what the Republicans did. So its Hypocritical of Obama to do exactly what the republicans did and the Republicans are going to call him out on that?





While trying to pretend to be a conservative he gets confused with his lib talking points. He doesnt even remember that his profile says he hates conservative politics. And he claims he's 27. My "guest" is his mom regulates his internet usage.


Resorting to leftist tactics of personal attacks instead of actual debating I see.




Sanity -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:40:20 PM)


I dont mind if Obama becomes a Republican and supports jobs and businesses but for him to rail against business and "the rich" while he is turning tricks with these flea infested dogs described in the OP is blatantly hypocritical of him


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ORIGINAL: Masta808

So you dont want Obama do exactly what the republicans did?




rulemylife -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:40:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Maybe this belongs in the Orwell thread?

From the Rest easy, the Fox is guarding the hen house Department:


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GE responds to charges of crony capitalism



[image]http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/sites/default/files/styles/blog_listing_full/public/ge.jpg[/image]


General Electric, with a larger lobbying budget than any other company in America, has long lobbied for and profited from Big Government. Since Obama tapped GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt as Job Czar, this critique has spread throughout the Right.

When it came out that GE's U.S. corporate income tax bill for 2010 was $0, anti-GE sentiment grew on the Left and Right. Finally, at the latest Republcian debate Newt Gingrich attacked GE for profiting from Obama-style green-energy loopholes.

So today, GE responds: "There has been a lot of talk lately about GE and what some call crony capitalism. Unfortunately, those same people don’t want the facts to get in the way of their political rhetoric."

...

"We are not receiving special treatment"

This is a hard one to believe. GE, again, spends more on lobbying than any other company. Its lobbyists include Linda Daschle, whose husband Tom was the Senate Majority Leader and today is a confidant of Obama. Former senior Ways & Means Committee member Jim McCrery is a lobbyist for GE as is former House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt. Former Senators Trent Lott and John Breaux are GE lobbyists. Immelt has been an official advisor to Obama through his whole presidency.
...

"Last year, only 4 percent of our revenue came from sales to the U.S. government."

This is really off target. The dig at GE is not that it makes all its money selling to the U.S. government. It's that it finds all sorts of ways to profit off of big government, including subsidies and regulations.

Off the top of my head, here are a few ways:
  • GE is a top beneficiary of Export-Import Bank subsidies.
  • GE bought up an embryonic stem-cell business just after President Obama announced the government would start subsidizing them.
  • GE owns half of Greenhouse Gas Services, a business that generates and trades in greenhouse-gas credits -- something that only has value if government constrains GHG emissions.
  • GE is a leading manufacturer of wind turbines, which receive all sorts of federal and state subsidies.
  • GE lobbied for and benefits from the light-bulb efficiency regulations that drive consumers to more expensive light bulbs.
  • On the state level, GE gets generous "incentives" (subsidies) from governments. Consider this Virginia case.
  • GE got $140 billion bailout from the FDIC in 2008.
I would like GE to explain why this isn't corporatism or crony capitalism.


Right. Theres nothing to see here folks, so just keep moving along...


More disingenuous nonsense to attack the Obama administration.

Even from what you posted you have to realize this has been going on for many years.

In case it escaped your attention, your own link states 2008, when Bush was in office.

But you are just trying to stir up shit as usual without even paying attention to what you post. 




Sanity -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:43:28 PM)


He isnt at all intelligent, I think its meth head skippy. In one post he argues like a conservative with a touch if insane farglebargleitis

In the next he writes more like thompson, but only with almost half a wit

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

While trying to pretend to be a conservative he gets confused with his lib talking points. He doesnt even remember that his profile says he hates conservative politics. And he claims he's 27. My "guest" is his mom regulates his internet usage.




Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:47:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I dont mind if Obama becomes a Republican and supports jobs and businesses but for him to rail against business and "the rich" while he is turning tricks with these flea infested dogs described in the OP is blatantly hypocritical of him

quote:

ORIGINAL: Masta808

So you dont want Obama do exactly what the republicans did?



Like liberal lies about Ronald Reagan? example 2 example 3




Sanity -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:48:06 PM)


Ive got you down for a "Bushs fault" and a side of "Obama can do no wrong" and a super colossal Kool-Aide

Would you like fries with that

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

More disingenuous nonsense to attack the Obama administration.

Even from what you posted you have to realize this has been going on for many years.

In case it escaped your attention, your own link states 2008, when Bush was in office.

But you are just trying to stir up shit as usual without even paying attention to what you post. 





Masta808 -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:50:25 PM)

Exactly G W Bush was president in 2008, so it Obama Fault.




rulemylife -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:52:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

Wait I dont get what GE is doing wrong? Its no different than Dick Chaney did with Halliburton, Oil Companies with government subsidies, or Michele Bachmann Clinic? America is Capitalist and I dont under stand why its such a big deal that the government is buying GE products when it apparently needs GE products because the guy at the top says so. After all forcing the government spend tax payer money isnt Socialist, it just good business.



What they are doing wrong is using highly paid attorneys to provide them tax shelters while average citizens are subsidizing it.

But maybe we can cut social security and medicare and transfer those funds to companies like GE.

And I'm sure that will benefit us all.  [8|]




Sanity -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:54:49 PM)


Very little of this has anything to do with 2008.




rulemylife -> RE: GE Assures Us: Theyre Not Crony Capitalists (9/16/2011 9:58:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Ive got you down for a "Bushs fault" and a side of "Obama can do no wrong" and a super colossal Kool-Aide

Would you like fries with that

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

More disingenuous nonsense to attack the Obama administration.

Even from what you posted you have to realize this has been going on for many years.

In case it escaped your attention, your own link states 2008, when Bush was in office.

But you are just trying to stir up shit as usual without even paying attention to what you post. 




Did you read Lucy's post?




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