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James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 7:34:34 AM

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James Carville had some very interesting comments on CNN about Obama.

Here is the link to the entire talk. It also has a video.

The first few paragraphs:

People often ask me what advice I would give the White House about various things. Today I was mulling over election results from New York and Nevada while thinking about that very question. What should the White House do now? One word came to mind: Panic.

We are far past sending out talking points. Do not attempt to dumb it down. We cannot stand any more explanations. Have you talked to any Democratic senators lately? I have. It's pretty damn clear they are not happy campers.

This is what I would say to President Barack Obama: The time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed.

He then goes on to give specific actions he believes that Obama should take.

All of which I believe are now too late, too little.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 7:40:27 AM

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Bill Clinton was elected to his second term because he listened to James Carville. He knew he had to move to the middle and he did so. Obama will listen to no one, and will not be re elected because of it.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 7:56:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

James Carville had some very interesting comments on CNN about Obama.

Here is the link to the entire talk. It also has a video.

The first few paragraphs:

People often ask me what advice I would give the White House about various things. Today I was mulling over election results from New York and Nevada while thinking about that very question. What should the White House do now? One word came to mind: Panic.

We are far past sending out talking points. Do not attempt to dumb it down. We cannot stand any more explanations. Have you talked to any Democratic senators lately? I have. It's pretty damn clear they are not happy campers.

This is what I would say to President Barack Obama: The time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed.

He then goes on to give specific actions he believes that Obama should take.

All of which I believe are now too late, too little.

Firm

If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 8:04:38 AM

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If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

Agreed, they need to bring McCain back with a non crazy VP candidate.
As it is, I don't think Obama needs to worry about reelection with what his opposition is comprised of, which takes away his proper motivation to follow good advice and fix things.
I can't understand why every single one of the republican candidates are ape shit crazy. They have rational politicians... I know they do!

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:41:44 AM

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McCain?!?!?!!? That guy looks worse than Cheney now.

It ain't just and R problem. The parties are so controlled by their own partisan hackery, only a ideologue can squeek through the primary. Until one party opens up their primaries to drown out the kooks....We are doomed

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:49:50 AM

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If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

Agreed, they need to bring McCain back with a non crazy VP candidate.
As it is, I don't think Obama needs to worry about reelection with what his opposition is comprised of, which takes away his proper motivation to follow good advice and fix things.
I can't understand why every single one of the republican candidates are ape shit crazy. They have rational politicians... I know they do!

I hate to disagree with you and DYB, but I do, on a couple of points.

First, while we are still a little more than a year away from the election, unless there is some major (really major) change in the world of politics, the odds against Obama getting re-elected are about 90% or so.

Second, the Republican candidates aren't "ape shit crazy". You just happen to disagree with some of them (or all of them) on a basic philosophy of life, and have bought into the memes grown and sheltered by their philosophical opponents over the decades, to the point that any disagreement with "conventional wisdom" is seen as "ape shit crazy" instead of based on a differing philosophy.

In other words, if you aren't careful and thoughtful, you become a prisoner of others' framing, not of your own powers of discernment.

Often, what political and philosophical opponents do is to isolate a phrase, a sentence, an interview and then use straw-manning, isolation and prior assumptions and form it into a slanted analysis in order to isolate and destroy basic trust and understanding that people are holistic individuals, not simply ideological constructs.

I don't think Obama is "dumb" simply because he said that there are 57 states. Nor do I think he is "intelligent" simply because he has presented some good speeches (or takes credit for taking out bin Laden). Taken as an individual, I believe that he believes what he says, and that he really does wish the best for the US and its citizens.

I just think that he is blind to the fact that his personal construct of reality hasn't seemed to mesh real well with what is actually happening in the world, and is either unable or unwilling to change some of his key assumptions.

Same with some of the Republican candidates. However several of them have shown that they are willing to change their assumptions when presented with facts that do not conform to reality. Whether you wish to call this "flip flops" or "willing to reconsider" will depend on your own positions and construct, and whether or not you believe that any of them have a core of beliefs that is based on some unalterable principles. Or if they have no core beliefs and are simply pandering.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:50:47 AM

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Yeah lovetolaugh ,they do have rational politicians...the problem is that in order to get through their nomination proccess rationality has to go out the window.The party has been hijacked by their fringe,resulting in nominating completely unelectable candidates.Look at the lineup for their most recent debate...the only halfway sensible man on that platform was Huntsman,and what are his chances of coming out of primary season with the nomination.....zip,zero,nada.The rush to the far right in order to gain the nomination virtually guarantees a loss in the general.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:51:14 AM

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Gotta be kidding. Obama looks like fukin einstein compared to what the R's are doing. Romney has yet to fully realize he is in the wrong party. Hunstman has dumbed himself down to bachmann and perry. grandpa......is worried about perry raising his taxes and if his check from halliburton is coming......cain and gingrich? stantorum? lol........come on be serious.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:54:28 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

Agreed, they need to bring McCain back with a non crazy VP candidate.
As it is, I don't think Obama needs to worry about reelection with what his opposition is comprised of, which takes away his proper motivation to follow good advice and fix things.
I can't understand why every single one of the republican candidates are ape shit crazy. They have rational politicians... I know they do!

Disagree with both of you. Obama winning in a landslide is wishful thinking. I'm not saying things couldn't somehow change but as of now, politically, he's in it up to his neck. Any one of those guys, even Bachman or Paul could beat him.

McCain lost because there wasn't much enthusiasm from conservatives and he ran a crappy campaign. If anything Palin was more help than a detriment. With a person who can articulate conservatism well (Gingrich), democrats are toast.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:55:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: tolovetolaugh

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

Agreed, they need to bring McCain back with a non crazy VP candidate.
As it is, I don't think Obama needs to worry about reelection with what his opposition is comprised of, which takes away his proper motivation to follow good advice and fix things.
I can't understand why every single one of the republican candidates are ape shit crazy. They have rational politicians... I know they do!

I hate to disagree with you and DYB, but I do, on a couple of points.

First, while we are still a little more than a year away from the election, unless there is some major (really major) change in the world of politics, the odds against Obama getting re-elected are about 90% or so.

Second, the Republican candidates aren't "ape shit crazy". You just happen to disagree with some of them (or all of them) on a basic philosophy of life, and have bought into the memes grown and sheltered by their philosophical opponents over the decades, to the point that any disagreement with "conventional wisdom" is seen as "ape shit crazy" instead of based on a differing philosophy.

In other words, if you aren't careful and thoughtful, you become a prisoner of others' framing, not of your own powers of discernment.

Often, what political and philosophical opponents do is to isolate a phrase, a sentence, an interview and then use straw-manning, isolation and prior assumptions and form it into a slanted analysis in order to isolate and destroy basic trust and understanding that people are holistic individuals, not simply ideological constructs.

I don't think Obama is "dumb" simply because he said that there are 57 states. Nor do I think he is "intelligent" simply because he has presented some good speeches (or takes credit for taking out bin Laden). Taken as an individual, I believe that he believes what he says, and that he really does wish the best for the US and its citizens.

I just think that he is blind to the fact that his personal construct of reality hasn't seemed to mesh real well with what is actually happening in the world, and is either unable or unwilling to change some of his key assumptions.

Same with some of the Republican candidates. However several of them have shown that they are willing to change their assumptions when presented with facts that do not conform to reality. Whether you wish to call this "flip flops" or "willing to reconsider" will depend on your own positions and construct, and whether or not you believe that any of them have a core of beliefs that is based on some unalterable principles. Or if they have no core beliefs and are simply pandering.

Firm

Which of the "others" are willing to reconsider?

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 9:55:31 AM

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McCain?!?!?!!? That guy looks worse than Cheney now.

Lon or Dick?

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:00:25 AM

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Which of the "others" are willing to reconsider?

I'd say all of them, to one extent of another.

I think Bachmann and Paul are in the group "least likely to ..."

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:01:56 AM

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If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

Agreed, they need to bring McCain back with a non crazy VP candidate.
As it is, I don't think Obama needs to worry about reelection with what his opposition is comprised of, which takes away his proper motivation to follow good advice and fix things.
I can't understand why every single one of the republican candidates are ape shit crazy. They have rational politicians... I know they do!

Disagree with both of you. Obama winning in a landslide is wishful thinking. I'm not saying things couldn't somehow change but as of now, politically, he's in it up to his neck. Any one of those guys, even Bachman or Paul could beat him.

McCain lost because there wasn't much enthusiasm from conservatives and he ran a crappy campaign. If anything Palin was more help than a detriment. With a person who can articulate conservatism well (Gingrich), democrats are toast.

Will need to give me another one. People see gingrich as a man that is mean and dumped his wife in the hospital while she was with cancer. No way that is going to win. Plus the tone of his voice is too high....

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:07:35 AM

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Which of the "others" are willing to reconsider?

I'd say all of them, to one extent of another.

I think Bachmann and Paul are in the group "least likely to ..."

Firm

Agree to disagree....rick santorum? Newt? ......I know what they are going to say, before they say it and I don't even listen to them

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:08:53 AM

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:09:54 AM

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If only. Yet, he will win in a landslide cause the Republican party can't get out of their own way...

Agreed, they need to bring McCain back with a non crazy VP candidate.
As it is, I don't think Obama needs to worry about reelection with what his opposition is comprised of, which takes away his proper motivation to follow good advice and fix things.
I can't understand why every single one of the republican candidates are ape shit crazy. They have rational politicians... I know they do!

Disagree with both of you. Obama winning in a landslide is wishful thinking. I'm not saying things couldn't somehow change but as of now, politically, he's in it up to his neck. Any one of those guys, even Bachman or Paul could beat him.

McCain lost because there wasn't much enthusiasm from conservatives and he ran a crappy campaign. If anything Palin was more help than a detriment. With a person who can articulate conservatism well (Gingrich), democrats are toast.

Will need to give me another one. People see gingrich as a man that is mean and dumped his wife in the hospital while she was with cancer. No way that is going to win. Plus the tone of his voice is too high....

Other than "no way he's going to win", all that may be true but this guy has been saying some pretty profound stuff over the years. I was bitterly disappointed that he didn't jump in the last time. He's a walking brain on steroids. I would suggest he can overcome the baggage.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:19:31 AM

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Nothing I can do about his baggage. Can't see women, even republican women voting for him for dropping it on his wife while she was sick. If that is his style. what else is he able to do. Actually would be great to have him win the nomination. Would give Democrats a chance to put a stake in the heart of the Right Wing cause we both know he can't shut up

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:24:16 AM

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James Carville had some very interesting comments on CNN about Obama.

Hell yeah ... Mr. Leghorn sure did... tell me something on the QT... given this passage below:

"No -- fire a lot of people. This may be news to you but this is not going well. For precedent, see Russian Army 64th division at Stalingrad. There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm."

You guys aren't really spanking it to pictures of Stalingrad, are ya?

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:26:29 AM

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Minorities came out in huge numbers to help elect Obama. Since he has done nothing to help them, I wonder just how many will come out to give him a second term. I'm guessing not so many.

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RE: James Carville on Obama - 9/16/2011 10:38:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

James Carville had some very interesting comments on CNN about Obama.

Here is the link to the entire talk. It also has a video.

The first few paragraphs:

People often ask me what advice I would give the White House about various things. Today I was mulling over election results from New York and Nevada while thinking about that very question. What should the White House do now? One word came to mind: Panic.

We are far past sending out talking points. Do not attempt to dumb it down. We cannot stand any more explanations. Have you talked to any Democratic senators lately? I have. It's pretty damn clear they are not happy campers.

This is what I would say to President Barack Obama: The time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed.

He then goes on to give specific actions he believes that Obama should take.

All of which I believe are now too late, too little.

Firm

Cherry picking quotes again Firm?

You know Carville is a liberal, and you also know that he was stating that Obama was conceding too much to the Republicans.

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