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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/23/2006 11:01:40 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I am not in their home, I do not know what is said to her kids,... and I am not defending his statements... I will say I like rose, and I grew rather fond of her and I am not saying anything else about it

I have a son who has a father that is a deadbeat. I never said a thing about his father, but he sure as hell does now he is 15. He is the one that puts him down. You know, it isnt Stoney that has done those kids the disservice.. it is their own fathers if you ask me... and he said on this board he has never put those kids fathers down to them... so why should I think he has? He readily admits his views and opinions... he doesnt back down from thinking fat people are lazy and hating them.. why would he lie about how he treats her kids? If you ask me he may be a lot of things... liar hasnt been shown to be one of them.

BTW most people have prejudice against fat people... most people do think that women who sleep around are sluts... and most people by the time they are Stoney's age know better than to say it out loud. To think otherwise is not being honest with yourself. I do not hold those attitudes, and I know many people would think I am a slut, but to be honest I really dont give a phuk what other people think. Some people would think I am fat (my mother among them and I am in a size 10/12 and 5 foot 10). To  act shocked that people think this way is to believe others are as enlightened as yourself. Most people are really not into self-reflection. And perhaps you have been surrounded by evolved men your whole entire life... I have found Stoney is not that unusual in the men I have heard talk... unfortunate but true. I guess this is why i am still unmarried after all this time, I wont date men that think like that... and it is all way too common out there

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/23/2006 11:23:58 PM   
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Fro all you people out there . Don't beat up my slave due to something I said . Yes I have told her that I do not like fat people . But its due to The vast magority of them are to Damn lazy to do any thing about it . I am not talking of the ones that may have a medecal contition that prevents them from doing any thing about it .But again it is not my slave rose that said the fat part . She is just telling what is on her mind .
 
We have talked about her wieght for a long time . She sined the contract knowing all that was and is involved it . And yes she is lazy in that part . But it is me that takes care of that . I am her Master .
 
She my slave is trying ti understand things that I like or do not like . Yes she does have a heard time with a lot of things I do and say , but I am her Master .
 
She my slave rose has 4 kids . How did she get these kids ? Well the answer is simple . She laid down and did what most people do . Does this mean she has to be over wieght ? Does this mean she has to be leazy in that department? I think not . I have taken control of the kids . The men that are there fathers are worthless and do not care for them or about them . Wait I will say one of the men do not . But through all of this ,does this give her the right to be lazy in this department ? NO. As she told me her Master , she never had a problem getting what she wanted . Well I will say this , She is right as are most women , If they are willing to lay down they get what they want . I know this sounds harsh but it is true .
As her Master I* want things my way and will get them . as My slave Tis her job to do the things that make me happy . I also make things easy on her . She does not have to deal with her unruly kids . I do that for her . She does not have to do house work , her kids do that , she does not have to do dishes ,her kids do that . She does not have to worry about paying the bills on time ,I do that . But enuf of that .
 
My slave is 5'7" tall and wieghs 175 or so . I want her down to 143.  All she has to do is diet and exsize. Sorry about the spelling .  And I do some of that with her . I want my slave to look and feel the best that she can . Whats wrong with that ?



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  Reflective , I did not any where say my slave was fat . I have not said any thing demeaning about her . Where you got that from I do not know .  If all I have done is make things easyer on her . But you nor any one eles lives in our house , so you can not say what goes on here . You can however state your opinion , that is your right . As well as it is mine . So be it .


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Master and I have worked out a routine for this girl to lose this weight because of my self esteem and health issues. Well and because Master hates fat ppl.

Master and I just discussed this issue and He says I am doing it for me. And I know I am not.  

 
Where I get my ideas from..... see highlighted QUOTES from you and her... Do you really think throwing her personal business out in front of a whole community of people, isnt demeaning to her? Do you really think throwing it at her helps her self esteem? ( and dont sit there and pull the I dont say that to her bullshit either, because if you say it to everyone here you damn well say it to her too.... )
 
~RS~


Again I will point out where I drew my oppinions from...

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 12:35:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
... I have found Stoney is not that unusual in the men I have heard talk... unfortunate but true.


That's like making the following statement:

"He's pretty well behaved around African-Americans for a Klansman."

This man's foolishness doesn't disappear just because there may be others exhibiting similar or worse behavior than he. C'mon...! I'm a man. I don't go around talking about the women in my life as all falling onto their backs to get what they want in life. Good lord!

I am not that invested in anything to do with these people. So I don't have a strong opinion about them either way. But as this is a medium of words, Stoney being as inarticulate as he is doesn't help him at all. In the main I'd say he comes across quite unfavorably - and it's no one else's fault but his own.

You know, I have heard intolerant comments from my own mother. Do you suppose I let her speak that way in my presence without calling attention to it? I do not. I have a friend that sometimes makes racist comments. I just look into my friends face and say, "You're such a racist asshole." Sure, we all have to face intolerance from time to time. Some of us don't give it a pass - I sure the hell don't. I figure some people say things without stopping to think first. Well, they can learn to give a moment's pause before talking shit about others. If they talk shit in front of me, well I see it as fair game to go ballistic on their asses. Sometimes you have to take people aside and say to them, "Hey, shut up. What if that person overheard you? Do you want to hurt the feelings of someone you don't even know?!" Trust me, you are doing them a favor. Maybe no one ever said that to them before.

From the OP (hearsay) and from his own posts further down, Stoney comes across like an intolerant jackass. I hate that kind of meanness in others, it makes me feel quite mean in return. For me it was as if Stoney had painted a target on his own ass. So yeah, I'm gonna kick it.

Sometimes you walk on by. Other times you have to stand and fight or the sickness perpetuates itself and breeds further madness. Intolerance is like that.

Elsewhere I have seen LordandMaster take down some people for being twits in exactly the same way. I swear to god, if he wasn't there doing it first I'd feel like I had to do it in his stead. And it's weird to whom it must be done or said. SirKenin has at times made very insightful comments - and then you see him talk nonsense about the stereotypical traits of Jewish people or the Chinese. It really pushed my buttons because I don't think SirKenin is actually a stupid man. But what gives with the stereotypes? You have these moments and say to yourself, "Whoa, when did this guy become such a dick?"

And no, I am not perfect. Sometimes I'm just as much of a dick as anyone else. I get called out for it all the time. This is how we self-regulate: we shove each other around some and then it settles down. Everything's cool.


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 1:56:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul Lemme ask you something.... do you have kids? With someone other than your current SO?
 Yes, Yes I do.  
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Have you ever had someone throw that shit in your face? Have you seen the look on a kids face when they hear about how their natural parent is a bum or a dead beat? 
 No because neither my owner or myself throw shit in each other's faces or speak like that in front of the kids.  My point was that we don't know if they do it either and it isn't my place (or anyone else's in my opinion) to say what they do or don't do in their own home unless we've been there.

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Just because something might not be said directly to them doesnt mean they dont hear it. And for her to have children with other people means she had to have atleast cared about that person...
 I don't agree in the slightest that if someone had a child with someont they HAD to have cared for them.  People get pregnant from sexual intercourse - not from compassion or love.  Whether she did or didn't care about them is speculation.  Neither I nor you get to decide that. 
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do you think it feels good to have it put into your face how your ex's are bums, that they dont want their kids... that someone else has to do for them?
 You might think it feels horrible.  You get to think that.  Maybe it doesn't bother her.  It certainly wouldn't bother me.  My youngest son's father (my ex husband) has not spoken to his child in 7 years.  He doesn't pay support and he pretty much has shown that he doesn't care.  When my boy has tried to call him, the man rejects him entirely.   My owner on the other hand has provided for and been a good father to my son for many years.  He has earned the right to call my ex anything he wants to and you know what?  He is my Master and he can say anything he pleases.   
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Thats My point and I am entitled to it... no one else has to agree or even see my point... that doesnt mean I am going to change it... just like nothing I say is going to change your mind because You have Your point....  bygons...
 Ditto.  But remember - it is one thing to have an opinion about how you think something might be or to speculate on what you think they might be doing.  It is something else entirely to hurl insult after insult at someone and tell them that they are doing something wrong in their own home - especially when you don't even know if they are doing it nor do you have the first clue about what happens up close and personal in their lives. Cav's ally

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 2:00:53 AM   
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Now, he didn't use the word whore, but that's what I took from it.  Saying that "Many men of Stoney's generation speak of women laying down and getting what they deserve..."  is bullshit.


Agreed --  And you know I love your candor ; " }


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 3:45:08 AM   
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juliaoceania wrote: You know, it isnt Stoney that has done those kids the disservice.. it is their own fathers if you ask me... and he said on this board he has never put those kids fathers down to them... so why should I think he has? He readily admits his views and opinions... he doesnt back down from thinking fat people are lazy and hating them.. why would he lie about how he treats her kids? If you ask me he may be a lot of things... liar hasnt been shown to be one of them.


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allyC wrote: it is one thing to have an opinion about how you think something might be or to speculate on what you think they might be doing.  It is something else entirely to hurl insult after insult at someone and tell them that they are doing something wrong in their own home - especially when you don't even know if they are doing it nor do you have the first clue about what happens up close and personal in their lives.


Well said, both of you. Stoney might be the biggest dick on earth, but I don't know that, neither do most people here. 

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 4:25:15 AM   
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Stoney might be the biggest dick on earth, but I don't know that, neither do most people here.


No, he's a judgmental asshole with a poor grip on the language - but neither is an excuse for his BS. Rose442 said this bit:

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ORIGINAL: rose442
"Well and because Master hates fat ppl."


MasterStoney442 absolutely confirms this here, with all kinds of BS rationalizations. Please note the last sentence. As if strangers have to justify themselves to him. How the hell will he ever know why someone might be overweight?

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ORIGINAL: MasterStoney442
"Yes I have told her that I do not like fat people . But its due to The vast magority of them are to Damn lazy to do any thing about it . I am not talking of the ones that may have a medecal contition that prevents them from doing any thing about it .But again it is not my slave rose that said the fat part ."


In my book hating fat people gets marked down as intolerance. He's making broad generalizations about people overall and not just referring to Rose 442 with particularity.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 4:35:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Level
Stoney might be the biggest dick on earth, but I don't know that, neither do most people here.


No, he's a judgmental asshole with a poor grip on the language - but neither is an excuse for his BS. Rose442 said this bit:

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ORIGINAL: rose442
"Well and because Master hates fat ppl."


MasterStoney442 absolutely confirms this here, with all kinds of BS rationalizations. Please note the last sentence. As if strangers have to justify themselves to him. How the hell will he ever know why someone might be overweight?

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ORIGINAL: MasterStoney442
"Yes I have told her that I do not like fat people . But its due to The vast magority of them are to Damn lazy to do any thing about it . I am not talking of the ones that may have a medecal contition that prevents them from doing any thing about it .But again it is not my slave rose that said the fat part ."


In my book hating fat people gets marked down as intolerance.


He seems to dislike lazy people more than anything, and he isn't the only one on earth to feel that way.... but if he sticks that tab on people he does not know, then that's laziness on his part. As for intolerance, I have to admit that I'm intolerant of stupidity *shrugs and grins*

edited to add: My own stupidity included. We're all human, I guess lol.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 5:06:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with getting upset when people tear your statements apart on a public board is because you've posted them on a public board.  You may not mean how they sound, you may not take the time to think them through carefully before you post them, or you just may not have a good enough command of the written word to express yourself as clearly as you'd like. 

Whatever the reason, you're sharing pieces of yourself with the public and if you don't care for the responses you get, then perhaps it would be best to either carefully edit your posts or to not participate.



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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 5:15:54 AM   
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The problem with getting upset when people tear your statements apart on a public board is because you've posted them on a public board.  You may not mean how they sound, you may not take the time to think them through carefully before you post them, or you just may not have a good enough command of the written word to express yourself as clearly as you'd like. 

Whatever the reason, you're sharing pieces of yourself with the public and if you don't care for the responses you get, then perhaps it would be best to either carefully edit your posts or to not participate.


Excellent advice, feastie.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 5:59:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		First of all I want to thank allyC and juliaoceania for there posts. I believe this post was a lost cause. I just wanted understanding of this subject. And Very few gave honest help in this. But with the posts of defense and the kind words it was worth it. And I kept my cool and kept my dignity with my replys because I don't like conferentations. I enjoy having deep discussions.... let me repeat that, DEEP DISCUSSIONS. And I don't want to discuss any subject once it gets to beeting someone down.
 
No, none of you live in Masters home. What we do here, no one knows. My kids have a better life, and more stable than they have ever had. Like Julia stated, Master has helped me with alot. There have been many downs in mine and my childrens life and I would not have made it through them without Master. He is my everything. He is a Man that does more than most men would ever concider... And Master did help me come out of most of these downs from 3000 miles away. And He stood by me and gave me the strengh to pull through everything. Most of which I would have fallen to the unknown depths if it wasn't for Master.
 
Wwe NEVER say anything about the fathers in front of the kids... NEVER. Neither of Uus believe that is right to do. These kids have had a hard life and have been on journeys they should have never been subjected to. And now, they never have to worry for anything again. Master is there for these kids emotionally, physically, academically, He takes an active part in there life. With everything. That is more than I can say about ANY of there dads. And with me.... yes Master calls me bitch 24/7. And I don't have a problem with it, why should you. All the other nics are behind bedroom doors, or when appropriate. If some have read my previous forum posts they would know Wwe are concerned for the children and them not being subjected to this lifestyle and the way a slave should be for her Master. Wwe are trying to not take Oour life to far and the kids know something is different. The only thing my kids are sure of is, Master is the boss of this house. All decisions go through Him. I have a say-so. I am mom. And they know that. But final decisions are Masters. And that is no different than alot of vanilla households. They are unrully and that is alot my fault as well as the dad's faults. And I do need help with them. and my kids are better kids now, and ones I am proud of, have more security, more confidence in themselves. And have more responsibility than I ever made them have. I didn't enforce anything with them and Master does. What is wrong with that. BUT that is enough of that. This is our family and that was not what this post was about.
 
I am being cool because I don't stoop to some of the levels some of you have. I am 27 not 5. My 5 year old acts more mature than some of you. And for me to say that, is saying something. I don't do this to people. As julia knows.
 
Steps off soapbox. And that is all I will say negitive. Positive posts is all I will do from now on. I hope you will all do the same.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 7:11:33 AM   
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am being cool because I don't stoop to some of the levels some of you have. I am 27 not 5. My 5 year old acts more mature than some of you. And for me to say that, is saying something. I don't do this to people. As julia knows.

 
No you just show up and start talking to and about people that are overweight like they should have to hide under a rock because they are disgusting.
 
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Wwe NEVER say anything about the fathers in front of the kids... NEVER. 
 
Just because it might not be said in front of them doesnt mean they cant or dont hear it...
 
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And He stood by me and gave me the strengh to pull through everything. 
 
and all the while calling you a bitch and a whore and lazy and whatever else.
 
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No, none of you live in Masters home. What we do here, no one knows.
 
Nope I dont, but I didnt put your life on here.... you did. You want people to never make bad assumptions about something... dont come to an open chat forum and attack other people for who they are. You and your master have made some pretty nasty assumptions about other people, but when the situation is reversed its a beat down on you, or everyone is just being nasty....
 

*edited to add* You know, its funny... the comments I did make where I did say good things about you, that stuff was never even considered on here..moot point....
 
Atleast some people here did put a legitimate worry and concern for YOUR general welfare and your childrens care out there. Your post and your masters post scream of intolerance and abusive gestures... but damn anyone that points that out because we are assholes for it...

 

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 8:27:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		i find it shocking how venomous some people are....i don't accept the whole "she started it" mentality from my children so i would certainly expect something better from adults....
 
it is just childish to bash someone for their writing skills, their wording, their grammar....criticizing another relationship with basically no knowledge of what is really going on is mean and spiteful....
 
the "topic" has been long forgotten and this has just become an attack on rose and her Master....don't we have any Moderators to control this behavior since people can't seem to control themselves?
 
i have my own opinions on many people i see post here but as my sweet mama taught me, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" so i keep my opinions to myself and try to stick to the topics at hand....perhaps we could all try to use a little more kindness and understanding?

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 8:42:33 AM   
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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 11:25:07 AM   
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i have my own opinions on many people i see post here but as my sweet mama taught me, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" so i keep my opinions to myself and try to stick to the topics at hand....perhaps we could all try to use a little more kindness and understanding?


Funny, it looks like you posted your oppinions just like anyone else did.... *shrugs*


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 11:55:59 AM   
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me again.... just popping in to point out that it isn't only "submissives in the lifestyle"... 1 in 4 American women is obese... and 1 in 5 American men is obese.  (obese: BMI >30)  Some of it is laziness, sure- but it is a societally sanctioned and supported laziness.  At the same time our television shows and magazines are portraying thin-as-sexy, they are inundating us with advertisements for convenience/fast foods and labor saving appliances.  We drive everywhere.  This has become a society where to break even, meaning a roof overhead and food on the table, we have to work longer and longer hours.  In order to OWN the roof, it's even worse.  For many people there is a long commute on top of their "workday".  Single working parents or those from two-career homes are worn out, damn it.  Ordering pizza and sitting through a DVD is a much easier way to spend time with the kids than working all day, then coming home to steam rice and veggies before going out for a jog. 

OK, rant, rant.  Anyway, reaching/maintaining a healthy weight is a great idea, and one i am making great progress toward.  Note that a "healthy" weight may not necessarily equal a model's figure.  Blood pressure, cholesterol levels, etc are better indicators of health than numbers on the scale, at least according to my doctor.

i wish you luck, and would suggest exercise rather than excessive dieting.  It's much easier to maintain, at least for me.  =)

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 12:18:16 PM   
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In a text based arena it's easy to take apart a *not brilliantly articulated* post....especially if you ARE articulate and can express well that way.

rose's Master hasn't *come across* particularly well but,as usual, as more information seeps through, the situation just isn't as first presented.

rose has responded rather well, considering the amount of things she's tried to address  on this thread.

I'm not comfortable with some of the comments her Master has made....but stepping back and looking at the overall picture and reading posts of someone that knows them a little...a different perspective can be added ....

It seems that in some cases people are hanging onto their stance come what may and despite anything else that's been added to the picture.

There might be dubious expression in the first instance , but there's been  a fair amount of it since, too.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 12:20:48 PM   
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   Can I ask how any sub / slave can look in the mirror and be pleased with themselves being that way?

All i got from her question was that SHE is not pleased when she looks in the mirror, and was hoping someone could help her out.  ie- the "it's all about attitude" posts.  *shrugs*

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 12:32:35 PM   
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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 5/24/2006 3:07:10 PM   
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In this life style we all find what we want ,and we all mold that person into what we want .


That is a completely inaccurate statement.  Not everyone feels the need or has the desire to mold another person into what they want.  Some people are wise enough to find someone who suits them rather than finding just anyone and trying to make them fit what they want.

In my relationships, we all found exactly what we wanted in each other.  There is no need or desire to mold each other into what we want because we are already that.

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"Passion... it lies in all of us. Sleeping, waiting, and though unbidden, it will stir, open its jaws, and howl. It speaks to us, guides us... passion rules us all. And we obey..." ~Angelus

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