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defiantbadgirl -> Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 2:37:35 PM)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Who-Had-Worst-Recession-atlantic-3314192070.html?x=0#mwpphu-container





I think the major disadvantage for Boomers is lack of time to earn back what they lost in the stock market. Working an extra 5-7 years is unlikely to have much of an impact. Advantages Boomers have include medicare, the security of social security, and higher social security checks since many of them earned middle class wages over a longer time period. Many also have pensions, a disappearing benefit for the two younger generations. Generation X and Y are both at a disadvantage because many can't find jobs that pay well enough to live and pay off student loans. Some will be saved by the income based repayment option, but only if their loans qualify. If the economy improves, Generation Y will have the most time to build up substantial assets. If the economy doesn't improve or gets worse, they may spend most of their lives in poverty. Either way, they have the most time to adapt. A large number of middle class Generation X lost their jobs to outsourcing and lost their homes because they couldn't find another job with a high enough salary to continue their mortgage payments. So far, I think it's a toss up. If one thinks it's better to have had and lost than to have never had at all or if one thinks it's better to have never had than to have lost what you have.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 3:28:29 PM)

Those with fixed expenses and income are at the biggest disadvantage because their expenses deplete their reduced wealth at a faster rate. Thats why defined contribution plans arent as efficient as defined benefit plans.




EternalHoH -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 3:41:18 PM)

Like it or not, the expectations of the investor class are ultimately going to be scaled back to mirror the economic situation on Main Street. Right now, they are not.  But pretty soon, we are going to run out of gimmickry to sustain their present day appetites for their 'welfare payments'.  After we gutted the manufacturing base, something had to replace steel and autos and appliance manufacturers as a place for investors to make money in.

When we converted what used to be a 30-year mortgage process between a homebuyer and small town bank, a process that frisked the mortgage borrower pretty good, into an investment vehicle, turning that guy's mortgage into something new for a third party to "invest in", that was just gimmickry being used to feed the investor appetites in the post-NAFTA world.  And when all the fertile fields within the home ownership sector had been eaten by the investment locusts, what a disaster it left behind, financially speaking.

Then we privatized a healthcare environment that used to be non-profit/charity driven, the type of environment in the healthcare world that Ron Paul waxes nostalgic over, that was just more gimmickry to convert a previous non-profit function into a for-profit function, creating out of thin air (like the money we print) more fertile soil for "investors" to "invest in". The prescription drug bill was all about increasing investor rewards in the pharmaceuticals sector by connecting the industry directly to the medicare money pipeline. Of course, prices for healthcare services have risen sharply as a result, but we will let future generations deal with it.

The next bit of gimmickry was to once again legalize bucket shops, as we did in the year 2000.  We legalized a gambling process that had been ruled illegal for almost 100 years.  The result was simple commodities like corn and wheat and crude and coffee soon become another "asset class" for "average investors" to "invest in", like stocks and bonds used to be in the pre-NAFTA days. It was rank profiteering by institutional investors who have no production-related use for commodities in a process that would have been prosecutable under state gambling laws prior to the immunity.  Simply more gimmickry to feed the appetites of the locusts. We on Main Street just have to look past the resulting higher grocery and fuel prices.

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2009/06/03/bailing-out-the-bucket-shops/

The creativity of the industry in making returns out of previous non-profit situations is unparalleled, regardless of the disaster left behind or the higher costs that result.  However, like our bank accounts, the financial resources of the country are finite.  There is a line between investment activity being beneficial vs. destructive, and that line is about 10 years back in our rear-view mirror.  Right now, the system survives by jumping from gimmick to gimmick.  Pretty soon, we are going to run out of gimmicks to pay the welfare bills of the investor class.  And on that day, Wall Street expectations will come down to meet the reality of what is left among the ruins of Main Street.








Termyn8or -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 8:06:16 PM)

Nice piece of writin'.

"Pretty soon, we are going to run out of gimmicks to pay the welfare bills of the investor class.  And on that day, Wall Street expectations will come down to meet the reality of what is left among the ruins of Main Street. "

Yeah, I should make book on just when that will happen but the problem is that as long as they got friends in the money printing business the procees can continue for quite some time. Probably longer than I plan to live.

T^T




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 8:15:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Nice piece of writin'.



Yes...great writing. Like an Obama speech. A lot of nice words put together, but when you analyze them they dont say a fucking thing.




thompsonx -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 8:45:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Nice piece of writin'.



Yes...great writing. Like an Obama speech. A lot of nice words put together, but when you analyze them they dont say a fucking thing.



Pretty much like everything you post.




UtterMayhem -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 8:58:20 PM)

It's to bad the money printing business is coming to an end very quickly......I think very soon all generations are going to suffer very badly.....I'm happy I still live were money flows like wine and jobs are plentiful but it is going to come to an end,,,,Get your house in order Gold and Guns will be a good asset.....It's going to get interesting !!!!!




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 9:11:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Nice piece of writin'.

"Pretty soon, we are going to run out of gimmicks to pay the welfare bills of the investor class.  And on that day, Wall Street expectations will come down to meet the reality of what is left among the ruins of Main Street. "

Yeah, I should make book on just when that will happen but the problem is that as long as they got friends in the money printing business the procees can continue for quite some time. Probably longer than I plan to live.

T^T
Agreed. An outstanding post.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 9:29:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UtterMayhem

It's to bad the money printing business is coming to an end very quickly......I think very soon all generations are going to suffer very badly.....I'm happy I still live were money flows like wine and jobs are plentiful but it is going to come to an end,,,,Get your house in order Gold and Guns will be a good asset.....It's going to get interesting !!!!!


7.3% unemployment and 3% inflation, still dependent on the US economy. Youre right...its coming to an end quickly.




Termyn8or -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/22/2011 10:21:13 PM)

"7.3% unemployment and 3% inflation,"

Just love those figures.

7.3 % of about a third of the total.

3 % inflation on everything we don't fucking need

Eat your ipad.

T^T




thompsonx -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 4:32:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UtterMayhem

It's to bad the money printing business is coming to an end very quickly......I think very soon all generations are going to suffer very badly.....I'm happy I still live were money flows like wine and jobs are plentiful but it is going to come to an end,,,,Get your house in order Gold and Guns will be a good asset.....It's going to get interesting !!!!!


Money flows like wine and there is full employment in alberta?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/Rich-poor-gap-speeds-up-in-Canada-130261103.html


The U.S. may lead the income inequality parade among major industrialized countries, but the gap between rich and poor is growing faster in Canada than in the U.S., the Conference Board of Canada says.

The 1990s enjoyed the fastest economic growth in this generation. The last time the economy grew so rapidly was in the 1950s and 1960s. But back then, the top one per cent of income earners took home a mere eight per cent of economic growth. Today, the top one per cent’s share has ballooned to almost 40 per cent, five times what it was 50 years ago.

"The main story here is that the bulk of the wealth that has been created in the past 22 years has accrued to the top fifth of the population and one-third of that has gone to the top one per cent," Conference Board CEO Anne Golden says.

All but the wealthiest 20 per cent of Canadians saw their share of income actually drop. Even within that peak privileged group, the benefits are once again skewed to the very top.

Most gains have gone to a very small group of super-rich. This tiny minority — the one per cent of Canadians whose income was higher than 99 per cent of all Canadian tax-filers — is composed of just 246,000 people. They took home almost a third of all growth in incomes from 1998 to 2007. Canada’s median income — half of the population earning above it and half below — rose a meagre $2,500, from $45,800 to $48,300, over the 33 years between 1976 and 2009, the board report says. "Moreover, the gap between average and median income has been growing... The growing gap signals that income growth is distributed unequally."

"High income inequality raises a moral question about fairness and can contribute to social tensions" that eventually spill over into the economy, Golden told The Financial Post. "The bulk of the population saw its salary increase — if they were lucky — by the rate of inflation, while those who have professional or ‘C-suite’ jobs — like CEOs — have seen their salaries increase by double digits."

The Conference Board is not some so-called left-wing pressure group grinding a predictable axe. It’s Canada’s leading independent, non-profit applied research organization and it specializes in tracking economic trends as well as organizational performance and public policy issues.

Economists are split over the reason for burgeoning inequality. One camp attributes it to market forces — skill-based technical change and increased globalization demanding ever more highly skilled labour. The other blames institutional forces — declines in unionization, stagnating minimum wages, deregulation and national policies that favour the wealthy such as successive reductions to the top marginal income tax rate, dropping it from 90 to 80 per cent in the 1950s to just 29 per cent today, as well as the telescoping of tax brackets down to three from nine. Golden said taxation is the means by which policy-makers can redress economic imbalances within society. "But the thrust of taxation policies in developed countries has been against redistribution."

Another institutional force driving Canada’s growing inequality is the shredding of Canada’s social safety net. Between 1976 and 1994, the effect of the tax and transfer system was to increasingly reduce income inequality. Since 1994, however, the trend has reversed because "the redistributive effect of the tax and transfer system has grown weaker since 1994."

One glaring example is so-called "employment" insurance. The number of unemployed Canadians who qualify for EI has nosedived from 82.9 per cent in 1990 to just 47.8 per cent in 2009. Almost half of unemployed Canadians are thus forced onto welfare.

But welfare also has been slashed. A single parent with one child saw her average welfare income fall $1,200 annually, from $18,200 in 1994 to $17,000 in 2009. Welfare income is now below the market-based measure low-income cutoff all across Canada. The biggest gap is in Alberta, Canada’s wealthiest province; the smallest is in Newfoundland and Labrador, until recently its poorest.

Meanwhile, the cost of food has skyrocketed 63 per cent since 1995, creating "a frightful food crisis for Canada’s poorest people," according to John Stapleton, a former Ontario civil servant who now serves on the board of directors of Toronto’s Daily Food Bank. And the cost of shelter, particularly in Canada’s major cities, has soared while governments — particularly Ottawa — have virtually washed their hands of social and low-income housing.

Homelessness and hunger amid conspicuous wealth and consumption lead to violence, crime and social pathologies of all kinds.

Frances Russell is a Winnipeg author and political commentator.




tweakabelle -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 5:22:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Nice piece of writin'.



Yes...great writing. Like an Obama speech. A lot of nice words put together, but when you analyze them they dont say a fucking thing.



Pretty much like everything you post.

If only I could print money like Willbur prints bile and vitriol in his posts ...... <sighs> oh happy days! [:D]




servantforuse -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 5:35:26 AM)

Termy is right. The real unemployment rate is closer to 19%..




tazzygirl -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 6:10:23 AM)

Pst... the 7.3% is Canada's rate.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 8:05:19 AM)

the present generation are suffering the most because of the lack of accountability and the sheer greed and intolerance of the baby boomers
kevin




Aneirin -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 11:44:25 AM)

I think every generation has and will suffer in it's own way and what we now see as bad, to those from the past they might have a different perspective and as to those in the future who knows.

The bottom line I suppose, life is what we make it, for one can live in hell on earth with the right attitude.

But the attitude is always negative, we are trained to think negative.




UtterMayhem -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/23/2011 8:22:47 PM)

At present if you are WILLING to work ....Yes I would say there is full employment in Alberta,,,,Companys at present are running short employees....We have help wanted signs everywere,,,,Job fairs regularily were employers are unable to find enough employees..Were else at present can uneducated people easily find jobs that pay in excess of 100,000 per yr...The oilsands and construction companys are screaming for operators...Were I currently work the saying is all you need is a brain and heartbeat and we've taken out the brain requirement...Employers are offering more benefits bonuses to try to keep good employees from jumping ship...I was pipelining this winter in camp watching people jump from company to company as rates changed....There were signs at the front desk asking people to notify them when they changed employers to keep room billing straight...

Is it going to end ??? Definately !!!! Most won't even see it coming....The smart ones are filling there pockets....The dumb ones are buying excessive amounts of toys and going further into debt thinking the big cheques won't end ....Am I planning on buying more gold and Silver as the price tanks today ??? Hell Yeah




lobodomslavery -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/24/2011 1:00:29 AM)

Well Canada may be different but Ireland is not known as the banana republic for nothing. We are hamstrung with clueless political leaders and rock bottom consumer confidence, which is precipitated by the penchant of politicians to tax people more and more so they can spend less and less, its idiotic, its caveman like but hey arent the irish only leprechauns at the end of the day
kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: Which generation is suffering the most? (9/24/2011 1:07:29 AM)

But the laughable thing is that politicans keep on talking about the fact that they have their budgets under control in Ireland. So what exactly constitutes budget control for Ireland's political warriors? Well under the high chiefs watch we have health overspending to the tune of $240 million, a health service that is a disaster that cannot serve the people it purports to help. And why ? Because the money is going in the WRONG areas, ie consultants pockets when it should be going into making a mediocre and unacceptable health service into something more beneficial for the people who most rely on it. So yeah we certainly have our system in disorder in this inconsequential peripheral backwater we call the Emerald Isle. We certainly do. We are a humble republic so humble in fact that we see fit to pay our chief patriot more than the Leader of the most influential and powerful country in the world, yes you have read it right folks, Barack Obama earns LESS than our chief eminence Enda Kenny.
kevin




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