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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/24/2011 9:07:16 PM   
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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 4:11:58 AM   
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But when troops return, those that support them go out to cheer their return, those that don't, generally don't go, though there has been exceptions in recent times, but if in a crowd cheering soldiers return there are those that spit bile and hatred, then they can expect to feel the wrath of the crowd, as to remember in a democracy, the majority rule

But what exactly is wrong with homosexual soldiers, the Grecian Empire was made on them, but then perhaps the ancient Greeks were a bit more advanced than us in a few ways, we in our present age appear to have devolved, and I do wonder if the last two thousand years worth of spiritual belief caused that, the sexual dark age.

But for all the gay haters, I would have thought they would be all up for gays in the military for obvious reasons.

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 5:16:12 AM   
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It was never the policy of the Democratic Party to spit on soldiers.



You mean the baby killers don't you?

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 5:21:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		when i saw the video of that soldier and the boo'ing, i was pissed.

and the "sex doesn't belong on the military" thing -- tell that to the straight soldiers who rape their female colleagues. =p
or tell that to the straight soldiers having all sorts of wacky, totally consensual sex.

straight sex and rape is totally okay, but gays are just going to fuck eeeeeverything up,right?
and of course, it's not like they haven't been there this entire time anyway.
do these politicians seriously think that all gay people do is wear glitter and fuck?

the mention of sex being out of place in the military makes no sense because it reduces them down to one single action, which is not something they are doing 24/7. =p stupid stupid stupid.


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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 5:26:01 AM   
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.... Santorum's remarks were an absolute joke and a crafted AVOIDANCE of taking issue with the mob.
 


Santorum is an absolute joke himself.

What's funny is that conservatives think they are going to be back in power with any of these misfits.

The only two that make any sense are Romney and Huntsman.

Not that I agree with their views but they are the only two that I would qualify as sane.

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 5:30:28 AM   
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when i saw the video of that soldier and the boo'ing, i was pissed.

and the "sex doesn't belong on the military" thing -- tell that to the straight soldiers who rape their female colleagues. =p
or tell that to the straight soldiers having all sorts of wacky, totally consensual sex.

straight sex and rape is totally okay, but gays are just going to fuck eeeeeverything up,right?
and of course, it's not like they haven't been there this entire time anyway.
do these politicians seriously think that all gay people do is wear glitter and fuck?

the mention of sex being out of place in the military makes no sense because it reduces them down to one single action, which is not something they are doing 24/7. =p stupid stupid stupid.




I honestly don't see why the fuss about who's fucking who. I never did. What insecurity has inspired any rule about a partner of choice?

If duty performance is not compromised what's the big deal. I have never been able to figure this one out. A gay man or woman still has to wear their uniform according to regs, they have to adhere to sexual misconduct in the work place the same. Do we think they will corrupt the curtain choice for billeting?

If a person is a competent and capable warfighter so what about his or her sexual perference, so long as they all understand that I'm for whipping disobedient types!

Sure, look at all you pain sluts jumping in line for membership now...



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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 5:41:46 AM   
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If duty performance is not compromised what's the big deal. I have never been able to figure this one out. A gay man or woman still has to wear their uniform according to regs, they have to adhere to sexual misconduct in the work place the same. Do we think they will corrupt the curtain choice for billeting?



exactly! i don't even understand why it's an issue, other than a straight man being paranoid that a gay man might "surprise sex" him while they're in the barracks or a hum-vee. =p

i have heard a few people justify it that way -- that paranoia = "i can't trust my war buddy! whatever shall i do?" maybe get over yourself? how about that? =p
i understand that trust is probably RIDICULOUSLY necessary over there, where you have a whole bunch of enemies, and very few friends besides your gun. i do understand that. but the assumption that gay people just want to plumb your bum and that's ALL they ever want to do -- i mean, they're getting shot at too, right? =p and you think aaaallll they're thinking about, in spite of that, is fucking you? that's a little conceited! =p

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 5:58:42 AM   
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whne you do maybe?


show me where I said it was ok for one side to do something but not the other.


sad strawman, I didnt say you "said it was ok" so try again

you are guilty of double standards.



why don't you enlighten me with some links then. I can't change bad habits if I don't know what you are talking about, can I?


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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 6:01:18 AM   
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when i saw the video of that soldier and the boo'ing, i was pissed.

and the "sex doesn't belong on the military" thing -- tell that to the straight soldiers who rape their female colleagues. =p
or tell that to the straight soldiers having all sorts of wacky, totally consensual sex.

straight sex and rape is totally okay, but gays are just going to fuck eeeeeverything up,right?
and of course, it's not like they haven't been there this entire time anyway.
do these politicians seriously think that all gay people do is wear glitter and fuck?

the mention of sex being out of place in the military makes no sense because it reduces them down to one single action, which is not something they are doing 24/7. =p stupid stupid stupid.




I honestly don't see why the fuss about who's fucking who. I never did. What insecurity has inspired any rule about a partner of choice?

If duty performance is not compromised what's the big deal. I have never been able to figure this one out. A gay man or woman still has to wear their uniform according to regs, they have to adhere to sexual misconduct in the work place the same. Do we think they will corrupt the curtain choice for billeting?

If a person is a competent and capable warfighter so what about his or her sexual perference, so long as they all understand that I'm for whipping disobedient types!

Sure, look at all you pain sluts jumping in line for membership now...




I never saw it as an issue. I spent 8 years in the military with openly gay folks in my unit. It wasn't like they walked up to the old man and declared their sexual preference, but there was neither an attempt to hide it at the division level, nor any push to have them removed.

The bottom line is whether or not you can trust a person to do their job not what they do after they do their job unless it affects their performance. We had a guy in my division who everyone liked, but no one wanted him around when things got tough. He'd spent a lifetime frying his mind with one drug or another and ya know, that vacant look just wasn't what you needed when shit hit the fan.

Having said that, there are two voices on this video. Fargle claims all Republicans are bigots because they weren't called down and ejected. It's a bullshit stance, a bullshit argument and one insanely coming from a man who supports a party that's had to live down hating the military for years. That too, by the way was a bullshit argument. But in the throwing of feces, this specific argument has no clean faces associated with it.




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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 6:02:41 AM   
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It was never the policy of the Democratic Party to spit on soldiers.


So you are suggesting those were all republicans who were spitting on the boys who came home from Viet Nam? Odd, I don't remember it that way.



The fact that some Dems may have done so, doesn't mean it was a policy of the party.
That's right and the fact that some repubs do things doesn't mean it is the policy of that party either. That was the point I was trying to make. Some people will never admit that though.
The Republican party advocates hatred of one group or another at virtually every turn.
Some members do and some members of the democratic party do too. The op is a fine example of doing that.





Oh, but the Republican Party as whole tends to advocate hate.  It is a part of their platform.  Hate Muslims.  Hate gays.  Hate public schools.  Hate nurses, fire fighters, police officers.  Hate children, the elderly and the poor.  Hate the government.  Hate anybody who isn't "just like" them.



Sounds like a lot of the posters on the left fit right in with that. But you only see the ones on the right. Now you can keep crying that the ones on the right do this and that, but that only shows me that you are not willing to see the problem on your own side of the fence. Unfortunately the idiots in office seem to have the same problem. Maybe if they quit trying to blame the other guy and actually worked together to get something done, this country would have a chance. But I honestly don't see that happening soon.,


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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 6:46:54 AM   
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.......and the "sex doesn't belong on the military" thing -- tell that to the straight soldiers who rape their female colleagues. =p
or tell that to the straight soldiers having all sorts of wacky, totally consensual sex.

straight sex and rape is totally okay,.......

the mention of sex being out of place in the military makes no sense because it reduces them down to one single action, which is not something they are doing 24/7. =p stupid stupid stupid.




Show me one person  or politician who would condone rape. That notion is highly exaggerated and absurd at best. 

I would agree that Santorum was an ass for stating his position as he did like everyone is going to abstain from any sex but give me a break on the rape shit.

  The purpose of the military  is to kill people and blow things up, social engineering has nothing to do with it. There are many reasons why someone can be rejected.  The military should decide whether or not gays can  serve. 

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 7:48:59 AM   
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when i saw the video of that soldier and the boo'ing, i was pissed.

and the "sex doesn't belong on the military" thing -- tell that to the straight soldiers who rape their female colleagues. =p
or tell that to the straight soldiers having all sorts of wacky, totally consensual sex.

straight sex and rape is totally okay, but gays are just going to fuck eeeeeverything up,right?
and of course, it's not like they haven't been there this entire time anyway.
do these politicians seriously think that all gay people do is wear glitter and fuck?

the mention of sex being out of place in the military makes no sense because it reduces them down to one single action, which is not something they are doing 24/7. =p stupid stupid stupid.




I honestly don't see why the fuss about who's fucking who. I never did. What insecurity has inspired any rule about a partner of choice?

If duty performance is not compromised what's the big deal. I have never been able to figure this one out. A gay man or woman still has to wear their uniform according to regs, they have to adhere to sexual misconduct in the work place the same. Do we think they will corrupt the curtain choice for billeting?

If a person is a competent and capable warfighter so what about his or her sexual perference, so long as they all understand that I'm for whipping disobedient types!

Sure, look at all you pain sluts jumping in line for membership now...



Ok, fair enough.

How then, does one appeal to folks who do care?

How does a candidate win the votes of republicans who are bigoted against gays?

We are seeing it now.

Pander,spread fear and hate,.....the usual.

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 8:35:04 AM   
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Show me one person  or politician who would condone rape. That notion is highly exaggerated and absurd at best. 



obviously nobody comes right out and says "rape is okay." but when those who report it are ignored, and those who commit it receive no punishment, it's made "okay" by lack of effective response. duh.
this is a long-standing problem in the military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_0b9hvIjc
http://theweek.com/article/index/212187/the-us-militarys-rape-epidemic
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/421/index.html




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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 9:06:22 AM   
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Ok, fair enough.

How then, does one appeal to folks who do care?

How does a candidate win the votes of republicans who are bigoted against gays?

We are seeing it now.

Pander,spread fear and hate,.....the usual.


Excellent question. I wish I had the answer to it. Personally I believe this is one of those issues that should be left to military commanders and not the politicians. They know their men and are best at leading them, employing in accordance with their capabilities and training them to do almost anything. They're the best Army in the world, and do believe that.

I don't go to church anymore because my friends there couldn't get past things like this. The values of right and wrong do not extend to who your heart falls for. I have to thank my Leather friends for my personal growth in this area, maybe we should put them on a social education mission.

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 9:23:55 AM   
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Show me one person  or politician who would condone rape. That notion is highly exaggerated and absurd at best. 



obviously nobody comes right out and says "rape is okay." but when those who report it are ignored, and those who commit it receive no punishment, it's made "okay" by lack of effective response. duh.
this is a long-standing problem in the military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_0b9hvIjc
http://theweek.com/article/index/212187/the-us-militarys-rape-epidemic
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/421/index.html





I see your point though I'm sure, regardless of coverups, no one is condoning it.  It would seem to me when it comes down to it, investigation and  prosecution of rape in the military should not be all that difficult with DNA testing though I'm not sure what military law is concerning refusal by the accused to submit his DNA.  Then the only thing that would hamper a successful prosecution would be if the rapist claims it was consensual.  Even so, he would be in trouble for doing it in the first place if in a duty or combat situation. I would think any serious effort to investigate and prosecute could nip this shit in the bud.  Now that I'm more aware of the situation I'll be waiting for one of these servicewomen to kill one these assholes when they make their attempt which might light a fire under some asses.

Having said all that, I'm not convinced the military should let gays serve openly.  If I had served, and knowing what my sexual proclivities are, I sure as hell wouldn't be spreadin it around.  Like I said before, the job of the military is traveling to far off places, meeting exotic people, killing them and blowing things up.  Social engineering has no place there.


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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 9:25:04 AM   
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Biggest problem with your insane rant is that there are leftists who hate gays just as there are gay Republicans...


Exactly, there are leftist that hate gays just as much as the military. So just because some Republican Supports booed at the debate doesnt mean anything since some democrats would have done same. Just like how some republicans presidents havent carried their own umbrella a few times.



It's not about the douchebags BOOING.

It's EVERYONE ELSE IN THE VENUE AT THE HIGHEST PROFILE RNC EVENT WHO DIDN'T DENOUNCE THEM.

They didn't denounce them because the agree with the bigots.

Silence == Consent. Republicans == Bigots.

And every defense of the bigots simple reinforces that.

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 9:37:49 AM   
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...But what exactly is wrong with homosexual soldiers, the Grecian Empire was made on them, but then perhaps the ancient Greeks were a bit more advanced than us in a few ways, we in our present age appear to have devolved, and I do wonder if the last two thousand years worth of spiritual belief caused that, the sexual dark age.

But for all the gay haters, I would have thought they would be all up for gays in the military for obvious reasons.


While I'm sure there are some who might be considered "gay haters", I don't believe that is a significant portion of those who object to open homosexuality in the military.

From my understanding, the broadest objection stems from the same objections you might get if proposing that female soldiers have no separation from males in terms of billeting and sanitary facilities.  I'm talking about sharing personal areas... open bay sleeping areas and communal bathroom facilities.

Please understand that I'm addressing this from the position of having been a female soldier.  While I had no qualms about serving next to male soldiers and doing my job, I would have had a serious problem if I'd been expected to house with, share sleeping quarters, and bathe in communal showers with the males with whom I served. 

As a general object of sexual interest to heterosexual males, I would have been more than uncomfortable if I had been forced into a situation where I would have to share personal space with those same men.  Dressing and undressing, showering, etcetera would have made me feel as if I was on display for any with prurient interest.

That is not to say that I would have worried any more about rape or unwanted sexual advances.  Those kinds of things can happen regardless of where people sleep and bathe, and in all kinds of work situations... military and civilian. 

That is also not to say that I didn't serve with any women who might have had the same kind of sexual interest in women.  I might have.  Thing is, if I was ogled by my female comrades-in-arms, I wasn't privy to their sexual preferences and therefore wasn't uncomfortable about it.

Why do we have separate toilet facilities for men and women?  Why is there any kind of living separation (girls and boys dormitories, etc.) based on gender?  Why don't we undress and try on clothes out in the open in a clothing store?  Why do we wear clothing at all?  Is it that we fear rape or unwanted sexual advances, or is it because we do not wish to open our intimate selves to unsolicited sexual attention?  While I'm sure there are elements of both, I suspect it is more the latter than the former.

Whether through societal pressure or environmentally how we are raised, I believe there is still a very strong element within our society for privacy between the sexes.  I think that although there are some who do not have any problems with casual co-habitation, many still have a deep-seated aversion to the judgment and sexual evaluation that comes with being an object of sexual interest by someone with whom they have no reciprocal interest.

Yes, it's true that I've been speaking specifically of different genders, but I believe it boils down to the same type of situation.

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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 9:53:50 AM   
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HOLY SHIT.

http://www.google.com/search?q=openly+gay+republicans


Then how come the Gay Jew Bastard didn't come to the Fox-run Debate????!!!!????
I thought Fox News Inc was Fair and Balanced.
All I can say is that it's a sad state of affairs when Gay Republicans discriminate against straight Republicans by refusing to participate in the party debates.



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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 9:58:46 AM   
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Excellent question. I wish I had the answer to it. Personally I believe this is one of those issues that should be left to military commanders and not the politicians. They know their men and are best at leading them, employing in accordance with their capabilities and training them to do almost anything. They're the best Army in the world, and do believe that.


I think that's what letting gay people come out and not be penalized is largely about.

What I think is funniest is that these poor guys and gals serve every day of their career in protection of, among other things, our right to free speech. And we stand back here and allow public opinion and the legislature play games with that right when it comes to them.



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RE: GAY SOLDIERS: Fighting for the right of Republican... - 9/25/2011 12:19:32 PM   
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The only two that make any sense are Romney and Huntsman.

Not that I agree with their views but they are the only two that I would qualify as sane.



I want to see them race snow machines on Lake Winnipesaukie.. ONLY THEN WILL WE TRULY KNOW WHO IS THE BETTER REPUBLICAN


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