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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LMAO Cain won the florida straw poll???
most excellent, I bet Hunky is devastated
edited to add final scores
Herman Cain: 37.11%
Rick Perry: 15.43%
Mitt Romney: 14.00%
Rick Santorum: 10.88%
Ron Paul: 10.39%
Newt Gingrich: 8.43%
Jon Huntsman: 2.26%
Michele Bachmann: 1.51%

Thanks Lucy.  I hadn't seen this.

This is good news to me.  I like Cain, based on what I know about him, but I didn't (and still don't) expect him to get the nomination.

But, this will give him some more heft, and attention, and even if he doesn't get the nomination, it increased the possibilities of him getting a position, or some of his ideas adopted.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Do you think it's his 9-9-9 plan that has Florida in his corner? I'm still trying to figure out if this plan would sustain the nation, inspire the growth he claims and not be to easily manipulated by those that can afford the manipulators. It sounds good, and I don't see where any other issue of his stands that much different than the others.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

It is some of those philosophical points that I am in agreement with.  Plus the fact that his life story and experiences show a type of man that I would personally like.

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His biggest negative is that I'm not sure he wouldn't be eaten alive by the system and the politicians and bureaucrats of the system.

It was a huge victory for Cain in a key state.  After all, Gov. Scott said repeatedly that the straw poll would choose the next president.  "I believe whoever wins this straw poll on Saturday will be the Republican nominee and I believe the Republican nominee will be the next president," Scott told Fox News earlier in the week.  And Perry himself said just hours before the poll that, "I've got all my hopes on Florida."  (Of course, shortly after uttering those words, Perry got on a plane for Michigan, passing up an opportunity to address straw poll voters in person before the balloting, which probably didn't help his chances.)

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Perry made a big effort to win the straw poll, and a week before the voting, it appeared he would reap big benefits.  He had the money, he had the organization, he had the endorsements.  And Cain?  The Georgia businessman received his first endorsement less than 24 hours before the voting, when Florida state Rep. Scott Plakon announced he was supporting Cain. "I met with [Perry and Romney], and they're both very good candidates," Plakon said later, "but I just couldn't get there.  And my wife kept saying to me for days, what about Herman Cain?"

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Meanwhile, dozens, maybe hundreds of GOP delegates who came to Orlando intending to support Perry were having second thoughts.  They'd all been in the room for the Fox News-Google debate on Thursday night and were dismayed by Perry's performance.  Actually, more than dismayed -- some were insulted by Perry's accusation that people who don't support his immigration positions are heartless.  Still, they didn't immediately drop the Texas governor, did not immediately say, "That's it -- I'm outta here."  Rather, in the 40 hours after the end of the debate, their minds were a little more open than they had been before.  And most were specifically a little more open to Cain, who impressed them during the debate and had made a number of impromptu appearances around the hotels adjacent to the Orange County Convention Center.


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In the days before the vote, nearly all the delegates who voted for Cain either said or heard someone else say this: "I love Herman Cain, but he can't get elected."  The assumption that Cain can't win the Republican nomination was a serious obstacle in their minds.  But at some point late Friday and early Saturday, the delegates overcame that obstacle.  Some concluded that since they had heard so many people speak well of Cain, he could indeed win, if everyone who liked him would actually vote for him.  Others remained skeptical of Cain's ultimate chances but decided to send the message that they would choose candidates based on conservative principles, and not on perceived electability.

Once the delegates got over the can't-get-elected hurdle, a close contest became a landslide for Herman Cain.

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Herman Cain: 37.11%
Rick Perry: 15.43%
Mitt Romney: 14.00%
Rick Santorum: 10.88%
Ron Paul: 10.39%
Newt Gingrich: 8.43%
Jon Huntsman: 2.26%
Michele Bachmann: 1.51%


Thanks Lucy. I hadn't seen this.

This is good news to me. I like Cain, based on what I know about him, but I didn't (and still don't) expect him to get the nomination.

But, this will give him some more heft, and attention, and even if he doesn't get the nomination, it increased the possibilities of him getting a position, or some of his ideas adopted.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

Hey Firm, since you're kind of a neighbor down there, can you tell me from your perspective why Cain did so well? I mean, I know he's a nearby figure, but there are so many republicans from the northeast in fla, I thought perhaps Romney would walk with it.

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Straw polls are easily manipulated,much like on-line polls etc.

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I really don't know, other than what I quoted above sounds about right: Perry's performance in the debate loosened some of the people who might have supported him, and then he dissed the people in Florida for Michigan, where I've no doubt that he was worried (rightfully it seems) about Romney.

In the meantime, Cain stuck around and got plenty of face time.

Perhaps as much, if not more of a "Fuck You, Perry" vote, than a staunch "Pro-Cain" vote.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Hunky is defintely against anyone who has had anything to do with the Fed reserve.

UTICA, NY--Rick Perry has tumbled by more than 20 percentage points over the past month among Republican presidential primary voters and is now second to Herman Cain, who leads the field with 28%.

Mitt Romney received little benefit from Perrys fall, garnering 17% of the vote for third place.

As for President Barack Obama, both his job approval (42%) and the percentage who believe he deserves re-election (37%) are little changed from recent polls, but he does seem to be winning back some supporters who have been disappointed in his job performance.

These results are from an IBOPE Zogby interactive poll conducted Sept. 23-26 of all likely voters and of likely Republican primary voters.

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This poll was conducted after Perry's most recent subpar debate performance last Thursday, but the survey was still in the field when Cain won a Florida straw poll on Sunday. Cain was the top choice of only 8% a month ago.

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IBOPE Zogby International conducted an online survey of 2,077 voters. A sampling of IBOPE Zogby International's online panel, which is representative of the adult population of the U.S., was invited to participate. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, gender and education to more accurately reflect the population. The margin of error is +/- 2.2 percentage points. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups. The MOE calculation is for sampling error only.

Herman Cain did well in last week’s GOP debate and won a decisive straw poll victory in Florida, but his numbers in a general election match-up against President Obama are little changed.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds that Obama earns 39% support while Cain attracts 34%. In that match-up, 14% prefer some other candidate, and 14% are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.) 

A month ago,  the president led Cain by seven percentage points. In March  Obama held an 18 point advantage over the businessman and talk show host.

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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on September 26-27, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.