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LadyPact -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 4:19:10 AM)

Dickens reference lost on many.



Ninebelowzero -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 4:28:57 AM)

Sorry had gone fishing that week at school.
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Dickens reference lost on many.




mons -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 4:53:05 AM)

Women now in this time must be strong!  There are many whom are rasing children alone!
There is nothing wrong with a strong woman, it does not mean she is a bitch, but I know when
a woman is mad she is a bitch and it is even worst when your an minor!  If she wants to make a point
or just state an opinion she is a bitch, but the males are being man, wow that sound really great!  I adore men
I am not a hater of men, but give the women a break, and oh hell yes I love being a dominant woman! I do
not push anyone around, it is not about that it is about the control and how you use it! 



MasterofRopes66 -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 5:37:35 AM)

In my post on page 14, AGREEMENT really is the keyword here, and I wouldn´t want to force ALL/any women into this kind of arrangement if the didn´t want it!
This far NONE of the women in relationship with me, has had any problems at all with this arrangement, they´ve been looking for it themselves...

MP.



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 5:48:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not here to poke holes in your coat, but why do you feel this characteristic is intrinsically male?


i have to agree with this question. women fixed things in the past, too, and historically, women were in charge of the hearth and home, or they actually cooked over the hearth, so they were usually the firemakers, not the men.

and really, there is nothing stopping a person from getting cyoovered in grease and car parts -- we still have mechanics and people who fix giant dump trucks and machines like that. robots can't do everything, at least for now. these people also are still mostly men doing this for a living.

technology has replaced a lot of things traditionally done by either gender -- sewing machines and textile factories, automated looms, etc, have replaced women who were once the primary textile makers.  interestingly, women still generally are the ones working in these factories.

i agree with crazyml with regards to the context of the time -- times change and some things become unnecessary. times may change again, and those things become necessary again. that's typical of human development. i don't think men are disenfranchised from being manly because i don't think "manliness" is necessarily encapsulated in a few actions. like i said in another thread, even a man who likes going to the theatre and writing poetry can have a very strong masculine presence -- it's energy. the definition isn't totally in what you do, but how you are.



crazyml -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 5:50:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

i don't think men are disenfranchised from being manly because i don't think "manliness" is necessarily encapsulated in a few actions. like i said in another thread, even a man who likes going to the theatre and writing poetry can have a very strong masculine presence -- it's energy. the definition isn't totally in what you do, but how you are.



This.

I think men can do pretty much anything and have a strong masculine presence. With the exception of "singing show tunes". Which really does mean that you're as gay as a maypole.



GreedyTop -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 5:52:24 AM)

HEY!! My Grandfather used to sing Modern Major General, and HE wasnt gay!!! ;)



LadyPact -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 5:54:50 AM)

I am the very model of a modern Major General......


Bahaha.

NM.



GreedyTop -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:05:30 AM)

he would sing it to me because it made me laugh :) (still does, as a matter of fact..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhaEjgnmy3c



crazyml -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:11:40 AM)

I said show-tunes darling, not Operetta ;-)



GreedyTop -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:12:18 AM)

ok ok, picky picky ;)



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:16:13 AM)

~loves that our Crazy knows the difference~



PeonForHer -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:25:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

~loves that our Crazy knows the difference~


Indeed. Seems suspiciously gay to me that she should know, though.



crazyml -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:52:38 AM)

I am content that I can know the difference between a "show" and an "operetta" while still being utterly comfy in my heterosexuality, thank-you-very-much <fans face>, I mean. How very dare you!

And I'm a dude too.



kalikshama -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 6:52:55 AM)

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Right then this is where I get shot to bits. A hell of a lot of the issue here as a generalisation is down to technology disenfranchising men from being manly. 50 years ago we fixed things, made things, used our hands not power tools or easy credit terms to buy what we wanted. That car had to last another winter, the washing machine another year etc. I'm not saying times were hard but men were more self sufficient & some chaps programming just hasn't adjusted yet.


My Mom fixed everything and also built bookcases, desks, bedframes, and made clothing. The idea of anyone thinking Mom was masculine is laughable. Mom stayed home until my little brother was 10 and then went back to work and school.

I was going to say my Dad never changed a lightbulb, but remembered that when we got a wood stove in the 70's, we'd buy wood logs, which Mom would chainsaw down to size, and my father would split with the axe. I would stack. My sister had homework.

I'm good with computers, not tools, and appreciate a guy who can fix things.






Ninebelowzero -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 8:20:27 AM)

The clue & it's a biggie is the word generalisation.

Big hats off to your Mom btw
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Right then this is where I get shot to bits. A hell of a lot of the issue here as a generalisation is down to technology disenfranchising men from being manly. 50 years ago we fixed things, made things, used our hands not power tools or easy credit terms to buy what we wanted. That car had to last another winter, the washing machine another year etc. I'm not saying times were hard but men were more self sufficient & some chaps programming just hasn't adjusted yet.


My Mom fixed everything and also built bookcases, desks, bedframes, and made clothing. The idea of anyone thinking Mom was masculine is laughable. Mom stayed home until my little brother was 10 and then went back to work and school.

I was going to say my Dad never changed a lightbulb, but remembered that when we got a wood stove in the 70's, we'd buy wood logs, which Mom would chainsaw down to size, and my father would split with the axe. I would stack. My sister had homework.

I'm good with computers, not tools, and appreciate a guy who can fix things.








agirl -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 9:45:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I am content that I can know the difference between a "show" and an "operetta" while still being utterly comfy in my heterosexuality, thank-you-very-much <fans face>, I mean. How very dare you!

And I'm a dude too.


*pats your man-bag knowingly*.

Let's face it, we know a bloke when we trip over one.  He'll be a different creature to each and everyone of us..but he'll be a *bloke* to us and hell be a mixed bag.

Years ago, my neighbour was a herdsman, he could round up the cows with his dog, kick the shit out of a fiesty bad tempered bull, nip home for a spot of lunch, change his little daughters nappy, gently feed his toddler while watching football on tv, cradling his baby in his arms at the same time and then prepare the supper if need be.

He always made the Xmas cake, spending weeks dripping it with brandy and competing with me for the best recipe.

He was out in all weathers, dragging wood home in the winter, chain-sawing it into rings and spent hours splitting those with an inch of snow on his head.

He'd then spend hours building a princess bed for his elder daughter complete with all his own designed pink decorations.

He spent hours on his garden, he grew the most fab flowers. I was always in his wake.

The only thing we ever were at loggerheads about was, surprisingly, the fact that my 3yr old son wanted Barbies Walking Horse for Xmas one year , and Gymnast Barbie to ride it. He thought that was a bit *gay* ....LOL. In fact he was quite uncomfitable about it.

I remember pointing out that HIS daughter was OUR son's only playmate and a year younger at 2yrs. It was Barbie and her bitches, or play with his baby brother who generally detroyed all his carefully constructed games with a leggy giraffe, while cooing * Dinosaur, Roarrrrrrr!!*.

The only part of him that made me cringe was HIS cringing at our little son doing *girly* things and not understanding why. It just hightlighted his own fear of girliness in chaps.

While he had a firm grip of what made a man a man, he couldn't translate that to the children without difficulty.

All very interesting.

Now my Barbie toting son has just left home and appears unscarred by his experiences as a side-kick to an older gal......despite the home vids of him wearing frilly bathing suits with wellington boots and making his Action-Man wear Ken clothes.

agirl
















crazyml -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 10:18:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I am content that I can know the difference between a "show" and an "operetta" while still being utterly comfy in my heterosexuality, thank-you-very-much <fans face>, I mean. How very dare you!

And I'm a dude too.


*pats your man-bag knowingly*.

Let's face it, we know a bloke when we trip over one.  He'll be a different creature to each and everyone of us..but he'll be a *bloke* to us and hell be a mixed bag.




QFT.

Although... it's a satchel... dammit, a canvas satchel.

;-)



Awareness -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 10:33:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml
Which really does mean that you're as gay as a maypole.
"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Although, without wishing to play dogpile, I feel compelled to point out that understanding the distinction between show tunes and light opera PLUS having a man bag does push you firmly in the metrosexual direction.

If you use skin care of any sort - this is also a bad sign.



crazyml -> RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine (9/28/2011 10:37:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: crazyml
Which really does mean that you're as gay as a maypole.
"Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Although, without wishing to play dogpile, I feel compelled to point out that understanding the distinction between show tunes and light opera PLUS having a man bag does push you firmly in the metrosexual direction.

If you use skin care of any sort - this is also a bad sign.


It's a satchel, dagnammit.

See agirl? See... one vicious rumour about a "man bag" and suddenly I'm a moisturising metrosexual!

But we're good, brother, I eschew moisturiser of any sort.



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