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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 9:58:41 AM

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excellent point, darlin!

Thank you. But could you say in what ways you think it's excellent? Is there anything at all you disagree with in it?

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:03:02 AM

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the money that it costs will be general upkeep, but look it if a Domme really wants me as Her slave well She will definitely cover such necessary expenses, this will sort the real Dommes from the charlatan Dommes
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shelter a given, clothing, no i have clothing, so thats that out of the way, hospital stay no, because i have been DISCHARGED, prescriptions, no
so when it comes down to it , its bread, board, shelter, gas and electricity, and if a Domme really wants me as Her slave boy , She will be willing to do this in return for sustained and FREE service and jobs done for NO PAY
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So you are saying Dommes who don't pay your expenses are charlatans? You mean like the Dommes you ask you for money? I see you, you don't want to give them any $$ if they ask for it, but you expect them to pay your expenses? What's the diff?

I see now. Money exchange is NOT okay UNLESS it's going YOUR way. Bread, board, shelter, gas and electricty? Face it Kevin, that's full support. It's the same thing as paying you, plus you'd be there all the time. A person could pay for specific things she wants done, it would cost less and she'd still have her own space without you there constantly.

Before you attempt turning this into a rant about FinDommes, that's not my point. What I'm getting at here is (1)why do you think it's not okay for a Domme to just ask for X amount of $$, but you expect her to totally support your arse, which is way more expensive? (2)There's no way that fully supporting you in exchange for services rendered is not paying you. There is no way those services you'd be doing are for free and in no way are those jobs unpaid. In what world is paying someone's living expenses, in return for services rendered, not paying them? You're looking for a free ride and everyone knows it.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:03:16 AM

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no. Your points, IMO are spot on..

and worth discussion!

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:05:15 AM

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. . . there's still this underlying assumption that somehow women can't make good decisions. just because the OP has a belief, doesn't mean that a girl he gets with is automatically downtrodden. isn't it possible that she actively chose to be with him because that ideology fulfills her?

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Well, before this turns into yet another dismal Kevin thread . . . .

Yes, indeed. It's the emboldened words that are key, for me. BDSM is about choice and it was choice for women that feminists fought for. I don't think people are really aware of the difference between those women who've absorbed that feminist world-view but choose to be submissive, and those women who are submissive as a result of never taking on that feminist world-view in the first place.

great point, Peon -- for me, that's what it is. it's a choice. i don't believe in any kind of gender superiority or natural order (i mean if you look at nature, there are all sorts of models going on, pretending like there is "one twue way" for males and females to interact is not in line with nature at all, at least in my opinion).
for me, it is a choice to be true to my own internal nature, which has nothing to do with my gender, as evidenced by other females who are dominant, and involve myself in relationships where my partner is Dominant. since i'm also mostly heterosexual, i'm interested in men. so Dominant men are good. =p

but i'm also not going to delegitimize the relationships of a woman who does believe that her submission stems from her femaleness. for some people, that's a perfectly valid way of living, and discounting her ability to make a good decision is more offensive, really.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:07:06 AM

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yeah bus or subway would definitely be an option in that case. i would walk though long distances in fine weather i would enjoy it, i would bus it or subway if it was less clement
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:08:15 AM

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more appalling language from someone who thinks i should be doing therapy. Laughable
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:12:35 AM

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Here's the difference Honey, She wants to take me on as Her slave, so She provides for me, She initiates the contact, She wants it , so She makes it happen, i work like a dog for Her, do everything She asks, accept Her punishment, accept Her word as Law, in return She pays for the rest, bills, although i would have to add i would not run up internet or phone bills, so electricity , i would not use it ridiculously, heat gas, though not in summer and in mild weather, and shelter, the rest of the work i do, it s a good deal for Her if She wants it and is making $3 - $5000 per week at least before tax
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:12:43 AM

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but i'm also not going to delegitimize the relationships of a woman who does believe that her submission stems from her femaleness. for some people, that's a perfectly valid way of living, and discounting her ability to make a good decision is more offensive, really.

But that's what an unreconstructed femsub - a femsub who's never absorbed any basic lessons of feminism - believes anyway, isn't it? She'll typically believe that she can't make as good a decision as her male partner and that this lack of ability relative to males is only 'natural' for women . . . .

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:14:23 AM

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i would be taking money from Her if i was charging Her asking Her for $50- $100 every day for luxuries that s LEECH, that is NOT what im offering, im asking for $0 for work done, the only cost is bills gas and food and shelter
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:18:03 AM

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Here's the difference Honey, She wants to take me on as Her slave

Allow me to intrude with some reality, Honey. No woman will ever want to take you on in any capacity unless you're paying for the privilege. Stop pretending otherwise.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:20:45 AM

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But that's what an unreconstructed femsub - a femsub who's never absorbed any basic lessons of feminism - believes anyway, isn't it? She'll typically believe that she can't make as good a decision as her male partner and that this lack of ability relative to males is only 'natural' for women . . . .

not necessarily. my grandparents, for example, had an old-school relationship. there was a definite delineation between men's work and women's work. men were the leaders, etc etc. it was all reinforced by religion as well. BUT my grandma made decisions and knew she could make good ones and my grandpa often relied on her to make business decisions while he was out of town.

those old-school male-female interactions aren't always necessarily based in a belief in incompetence, though sometimes they certainly can be; but for many, it's just that somehow your chromosomes mean you're a leader or a follower. =p

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:23:58 AM

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But this is what your missing Honey, i am , i am doing all the work and providing Her with a life of leisure, She can relax , i do the work, and Her pocket isnt hurt anyway as She is earning big bucks , like i say 3 to 5,000 dollars minimum per week and there are Dommes who earn that, think of the $200 per hour Dommes
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:26:44 AM

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Here's the difference Honey, She wants to take me on as Her slave, so She provides for me, She initiates the contact, She wants it , so She makes it happen, i work like a dog for Her, do everything She asks, accept Her punishment, accept Her word as Law, in return She pays for the rest, bills, although i would have to add i would not run up internet or phone bills, so electricity , i would not use it ridiculously, heat gas, though not in summer and in mild weather, and shelter, the rest of the work i do, it s a good deal for Her if She wants it and is making $3 - $5000 per week at least before tax
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I can't see what's so outrageous about it. There are plenty of men looking for the same thing in a female slave/sub.

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:30:46 AM

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you are not providing her with a life of leisure. she is providing that to herself by working and making such a high salary. you seriously overestimate your value and role in this, especially since you basically plan to do nothing but dust a little all day. =p
she makes a ton of money, she provides her leisure.. if she thinks it's fun to have you around doing stuff that other people do for free, then that's fine, but from your point of view, you DESERVE this because you run a vacuum and swab a few dishes. that makes no sense.

are you going to be mowing the grounds, making home repairs, fixing her car, putting in new plumbing, hanging fixtures, replacing carpets, putting in landscaping (flowers, paving stones, ponds), etc?

all you've mentioned so far is cooking and cleaning, and you're acting as if that's somehow an equal exchange, or just saying "well it's a pittance because ImaginaDomme makes boskillions of dollars anyway." that attitude is really irritating. so you think it's okay to scam someone just because they have a lot of money? you do realize what you sound like right? is there a such thing as financial submission? =p

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:31:03 AM

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plenty of guys looking for women to do all the (mostly weekly at best, houshold chores), and to PAY them for it? besides the already included living costs?

he wants someone to pay him to be a leech, agirl..

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:33:28 AM

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I can't see what's so outrageous about it. There are plenty of men looking for the same thing in a female slave/sub.

Actually, nor can I - especially if said 'house-slave' can expand his repertoire. Say, learn some things about electrics, plumbing, building, furniture restoration . . . .

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:34:06 AM

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that's not what agirl is saying. there are lots of men who want a stay-at-home femslave who takes care of things around the house and greets them when they get home, etc. there are femslaves who don't drive, who don't even decide what they're going to eat, their Masters do that for them. different strokes for different folks.

my problem honestly isn't with what lobo WANTS, because it's no more wrong for him to want that than it is for a femslave to want that, but it's his attitude that it's DESERVED and the only way for a Mistress to be "real" vs. a charlatan. =p

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:36:47 AM

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agreed, Lilly./

and I am sorry, agirl.. I got too wrapped up in the kevvie side show... ignore what I said before...

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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:37:39 AM

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im not wishing to scam anyone. And yes i would be prepared to learn how to do other things and then do them for Her free of charge, like putting down carpet, hanging fixtures, putting in plumbing, putting in landscaping, and i can already cut and mow grass. No problem . all for ZERO
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RE: Feminism Has Made Women Too Masculine - 9/25/2011 10:38:52 AM

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I still don't see anything really wrong with the original OP other than him wanting all to be like that.
There is an assumption that someone in that kind of relationship is oppressed. I can tell you....my parents had something similar and my mother was far from oppressed.
I'm striving for something along those lines too. I don't think there's a single person here who can say that Shorey oppresses me in any way.
Cooking, worshipping, having him control the sex. Those kinds of things do not equal loss of voice, loss of caring, loss of self worth.
To make the leap of reading that he wants his woman in the home prioritizing him to mean that she's chained and downtrodden and locked away and unhappy is a stretch.
To me, it's simply submission. I find complete joy in that concept.

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