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tazzygirl -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 9:36:39 PM)

Thank you Firm. That shows, at least to me, that these numbers are all situational.




Owner59 -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 9:39:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


Do you  really think anyone pays any attention to what you write, other than to make fun of you?

I've given you advice on how to be more effective.  Until you show any interest in doing so, you simply make a laughing stock out of any point you may have.

Peace.  Out.

Firm




One of my few permanently blocked.....

For the same reason, I just pass over the "medics" posts......I feel dirty after reading them.[:D]




FirstQuaker -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 9:47:11 PM)

Hey, you USAsians have only yourselves to blame, you can vote the suckers out and put in whoever you want.

If most of the USAsians quit their partisan bickering and started working on the things they agree on, some things might get done to the majoritiies satisfaction. I have to agree with Orion, the US could run on autopilot for a good while if it had to.

The crazy thing is the US was designed to be a consensus based government, but lately, it has been anything but that.

If the people are sovereign, just why do they put up with such lame hired help?






Edwynn -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 9:56:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


One of the foundational differences for the US Government was the basis for that legitimacy.  That it should be primarily based on the will of the "People", and not due to the "divine right of kings", the "law of the jungle - might makes right", or due to the birth, wealth and education of an oligarchic group.




Or due to being an oil company or an investment bank, or an oligarchic group of oil companies or investment banks, the largest siphons of citizen-produced societal wealth as have ever existed. The historical regimes of times past had much more effective checks on their power than the largest modern corporations do, by a long shot. But yet you allude to what people think of "the government" in all this.


Typical.











tazzygirl -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:06:35 PM)

The Industrial Revolution had better checks on their power?




Termyn8or -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:17:33 PM)

"Hey, you USAsians have only yourselves to blame, you can vote the suckers out and put in whoever you want."

You are so full of shit. What do you live in Disneyworld or something ? You want a Termy synopsis you got it. First of all let's have a look at the recent repubican debates. That's not a typo nor a misspelling BTW, but take a look. Now take a look at the poll results, and then take a look at who is going to be the candidate. They have no correlation to one another whatsoever. The fact is that 195,000,000 people could vote for Ron Paul and he would not be President. Bush had some shit going on in Florida to the point where people, NOT TINFOIL HATTERS are saying that there was election fraud. But let's say there wasn't. Fucking Bush couldn't debate his way out of anything but a Laurel and Hardy movie. Those questions are predetermined, and also to whom they will be asked. It is all a show.

The show must go on to get enough voter turnout so the rst of the world can pretend that our elections are legitimate. Now that we got that out of the way let's say a new candidate comes along. Someone with some real ideas, someone loyal to this country and his countrymen, someone who will fight and piss off alot of big peole to do good for his constituents, like Obama seemed in the beginneing, y'know ?

Well the first thing he need s is money, and lots of it. The fact is if you want a one minute TV commercial you are lucky to get off for a million bucks unless it is at four in the morning during an hour long informercial touting a new ironing board. In the old days local businesses that weren't like gillionaires used to buy time and have TV commercials shot. TV shops, markets (open air), small aquariums and the like. You had to go to the studio to shoot it, but the costs were reasonable. Getting the camera on the road did cost more.

But that was then. What has happened is that the big money moved in. They actually coveted that airtime because they knew the power it held. And they didn't fuck around letting media outlets know that their pot of gold had arrived. They actually started a bidding process on airtime. And with big money in the game, the pipsqueak is out.

In this way they set up an economic barrier to the commoner getting his word out to the masses. In the old days there was also at signoff of evey TV station, a notice that you could write a letter to the FCC concerning the practices of this station and it would be available for public display, and possibly considered when license renewal time came up. Then the national anthem. Them days are over.

The financial barrier works better than any Jim Crow laws ever could. Look at the really good neighborhoods, like the better parts of Beverly Hills etc., and if that ain't enough look at gated communities. I hear Telluride Colorado is a great palce to live, but to live there not only do you need a shitload of money, they also have to like your "looks". You must be approved. They'll move hyenas into our children's bedrooms but the pizza guy needs a fucking retinal scan to come within a mile of their property.

Don't fucking tell me about discrimination. It ain't a race war, it is a class war.

It';s simple, peopple with money do whatever they can to keep that money and/or make more. It really is that simple. And, with the money they are able to do more to influence things to the end of taking or keeping more money. What would you do, operate against your own interests ?

And they think they are doing nothing wrong. That is the beauty part. When we take to tearing them to shreds with some kind of supercharged kitchen device invented by Lance and myself, they will not know why they are tortured so. Thatis true revenge, the [now] victim doesn't even know it.

That makes it personal, to me. No, I am not teaching them a lesson, I am in this for me, just like they were. Sorry aboiut their luck, no specifics. Just run them through the meat slicer feet first and I will have me a case of beer and a couple joints. Oh, and I need my stereo, play some fucking heavy metal at about 122 dB. Fuck yeah.

Don't wonder why I am half crazy, wonder why I am only half crazy.

T^T

unproofed, I gotta piss




Real0ne -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:18:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


Do you  really think anyone pays any attention to what you write, other than to make fun of you?

I've given you advice on how to be more effective.  Until you show any interest in doing so, you simply make a laughing stock out of any point you may have.

Peace.  Out.

Firm




One of my few permanently blocked.....

For the same reason, I just pass over the "medics" posts......I feel dirty after reading them.[:D]



You have no idea how I love it when people block me!  LMAO

I can have SO fucking much fun!



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FirstQuaker -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:19:35 PM)

Oh it is my fault you put up with this governmental shyt.

I see.




Real0ne -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:21:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


One of the foundational differences for the US Government was the basis for that legitimacy.  That it should be primarily based on the will of the "People", and not due to the "divine right of kings", the "law of the jungle - might makes right", or due to the birth, wealth and education of an oligarchic group.




Or due to being an oil company or an investment bank, or an oligarchic group of oil companies or investment banks, the largest siphons of citizen-produced societal wealth as have ever existed. The historical regimes of times past had much more effective checks on their power than the largest modern corporations do, by a long shot. But yet you allude to what people think of "the government" in all this.


Typical.










they are all corps, the courts have said as much.

get a bunch of assholes that join together and say well everyone weez gonna rule ya.

The problem is no one understands the meaning of "People" and they think it means "people"  DUH!




FirmhandKY -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:24:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you Firm. That shows, at least to me, that these numbers are all situational.

I'm not sure you are, but it appears that you are therefore dismissing that it is of any major importance, tazzy (please correct my assumption if it is wrong).

If you are dismissing it, I'm not so sure you are correct to do so.

To me, it says that we have had decades of decreasing trust of the legitimacy of our governmental institutions, not just the politicians.  Decades?  That's a long time.  We are talking about a generation or a generation and a half (since 1974).  I'm 52, and remember Watergate (I was 15), but everyone born after that date has never experienced the same level of "trust" in our government.

That's a structural issue to me (although it does rise and fall somewhat based on the specifics of the politics of the day).

How many decades does the electorate have to dismiss the legitimacy of the government before they welcome a permanent structural change?

Firm




Edwynn -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:26:34 PM)



The East India Tea company, and all other corporate charters were granted by the government, on an ad hoc basis in times past.

Do some research on Michael Taylor, ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council), the infiltration of corporate lobbyists into the highest of administrative positions, ... you know, actual investigation and homework, unless you are happy with whatever GE/Fox/Disney/MSN/CNN media choose to tell you. Which the political types are jumping for joy over on a daily basis.

What a mystery, that.

I've already put up at least 20 links to everything alluded to above prior to this, and I know that the ankle biters saw it then, so pardon me if I kick you in the face on this one.








tazzygirl -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:29:33 PM)

None of that has anything to do with what I asked you.




tazzygirl -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:31:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you Firm. That shows, at least to me, that these numbers are all situational.

I'm not sure you are, but it appears that you are therefore dismissing that it is of any major importance, tazzy (please correct my assumption if it is wrong).

If you are dismissing it, I'm not so sure you are correct to do so.

To me, it says that we have had decades of decreasing trust of the legitimacy of our governmental institutions, not just the politicians.  Decades?  That's a long time.  We are talking about a generation or a generation and a half (since 1974).  I'm 52, and remember Watergate (I was 15), but everyone born after that date has never experienced the same level of "trust" in our government.

That's a structural issue to me (although it does rise and fall somewhat based on the specifics of the politics of the day).

How many decades does the electorate have to dismiss the legitimacy of the government before they welcome a permanent structural change?

Firm



Not dismissing it all all Firm. Wasnt one of your questions related to this being situational?

It is a disturbing trend... but it goes to show how cloesly we associate our government when it comes to our wallets. As much as people want to cry out they want less regulation, less government... its the government they ultimately blame.




Real0ne -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:32:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Thank you Firm. That shows, at least to me, that these numbers are all situational.

I'm not sure you are, but it appears that you are therefore dismissing that it is of any major importance, tazzy (please correct my assumption if it is wrong).

If you are dismissing it, I'm not so sure you are correct to do so.

To me, it says that we have had decades of decreasing trust of the legitimacy of our governmental institutions, not just the politicians.  Decades?  That's a long time.  We are talking about a generation or a generation and a half (since 1974).  I'm 52, and remember Watergate (I was 15), but everyone born after that date has never experienced the same level of "trust" in our government.

That's a structural issue to me (although it does rise and fall somewhat based on the specifics of the politics of the day).

How many decades does the electorate have to dismiss the legitimacy of the government before they welcome a permanent structural change?

Firm



this government has been dissolved as many times as the bonds came due.  its sold to the highest bidder.  I can think of 4 right off the top of my head and I would bet no one here has even a clue as to what I am talking about.

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Real0ne -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:34:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn


The East India Tea company, and all other corporate charters were granted by the government, on an ad hoc basis in times past.

Do some research on Michael Taylor, ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council), the infiltration of corporate lobbyists into the highest of administrative positions, ... you know, actual investigation and homework, unless you are happy with whatever GE/Fox/Disney/MSN/CNN media choose to tell you. Which the political types are jumping for joy over on a daily basis.

What a mystery, that.





nice, I am all ears.




Termyn8or -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:36:19 PM)

"Oh it is my fault you put up with this governmental shyt. "

Pardon me ? When did I say that. What's more since you are profilless I don't know where you are, but it is a reasonable assumption to think you are not an USAsian.

Then without any firsthand experience you purport to say that we can vote the bums out. This proves you do not know about this shit. I believe that I have explained how it is, at least basically so that you can understand that it is not quite as simple as you may think.

I reviewed my post and could ot find any reference to any inferrence whatsoever that this was your fault or the fault of anyone in any other country whatsoever. Sorry if you see it that way and, if you do I suggest you take a look at :

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3863025/tm.htm

If you took offense I want to know why, quote me. Let the forum be the judge.

T^T




Edwynn -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 10:58:32 PM)



quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

None of that has anything to do with what I asked you.


It most certainly does, even if beyond an incoherent question as a start. Not giving the answer you wished for, granted. Your usual trade signature of incapacity to understand logical response to your standard inane questions for purpose of instigation and antagonizition notwithstanding.






tazzygirl -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 11:18:27 PM)

ah, because you dont know, or because the answer would not back up your statements?




Edwynn -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 11:37:34 PM)



It was answered to the intelligent audience to begin with.


Embarrass yourself further if you like.








Real0ne -> RE: Of the People, By the People, For the People ...? (9/28/2011 11:45:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
As much as people want to cry out they want less regulation, less government... its the government they ultimately blame.


hypocrisy knows no bounds




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