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Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 12:25:25 PM

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http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/130435888.html

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho will be among the first states to apply for a waiver from the federal government to skirt provisions of the No Child Left Behind education law, according to the state Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Luna.

He was among state school officers who were at the White House on Friday as President Barack Obama and U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan gave states guidance on the 9-year-old federal law. Decrying the state of American education, Obama said states will get unprecedented freedom to waive basic elements of the sweeping Bush-era No Child Left Behind law, calling it an admirable but flawed effort that has hurt students instead of helped them.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 12:30:51 PM

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I think TN is right behind them.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 12:59:14 PM

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Yes, and then once a few go with it, it will be a landslide of the rest of the states following.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 2:18:20 PM

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http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/130435888.html

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho will be among the first states to apply for a waiver from the federal government to skirt provisions of the No Child Left Behind education law, according to the state Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Luna.

He was among state school officers who were at the White House on Friday as President Barack Obama and U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan gave states guidance on the 9-year-old federal law. Decrying the state of American education, Obama said states will get unprecedented freedom to waive basic elements of the sweeping Bush-era No Child Left Behind law, calling it an admirable but flawed effort that has hurt students instead of helped them.

Now for the rest of the Dept. of Education.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 2:26:59 PM

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actually if we would get rid of the 'conservatives' there wouldn't be any children left behind.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 2:34:03 PM

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It's funny that you would say that. I'm very much a conservative, and my son has a straight A average, won the science fair two years in a row all the way to district, is active in choir and orchestra, and is about 3 grades higher in intelligence than his peers.

He is already capable of reading and comprehending the likes of Neitzche, Sartre, Herman Hesse and authors of that caliber and he isn't even in middle school yet....so I truly fail to see why you seem to be of the opinion that conservatives don't have a high mental capacity.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 2:37:27 PM

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Perhaps you could take that up with such 'conservatives' as say those who want to kill the Dept of Educaton, or those who are taking away teachers bargaining rights, or those who think that creationism is a concept to be taught in school....

Or those that think school is about 'liberalism' and not about learning.

Or, perhaps you are 'conservative' but your son isn't.

Cuz what you really missed out of it is the history of some 'conservative' posters here.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 2:46:38 PM

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Or take it up with the people that created NCLB and then took the funding away placing the entire cost on the Dept of education...Gee and unfunded mandate...I wonder who signed that into law

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 4:19:54 PM

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Or take it up with the people that created NCLB and then took the funding away placing the entire cost on the Dept of education...Gee and unfunded mandate...I wonder who signed that into law

Don't forget all them new textbooks Rupert Murdoch got to sell!

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 4:22:23 PM

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Now for the rest of the Dept. of Education.

So you admit that was Bush's goal when he gave rectal birth to his first attempt at a presidential legacy?

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 4:25:22 PM

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Or take it up with the people that created NCLB and then took the funding away placing the entire cost on the Dept of education...Gee and unfunded mandate...I wonder who signed that into law

Don't forget all them new textbooks Rupert Murdoch got to sell!

You mean like "Remedial Mathematics And You" that my kids had to suffer through while they gave all the republican kids the false hope that they could someday catch up with the liberal kids who had interactive parents and GOOD GENES IN THE FIRST PLACE?

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 4:27:01 PM

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I have no idea why you assumed he was questioning the mental capacities of conservatives(classinsession) when it is obvious to anyone,of even middling intelligence that Ron was referencing conservative views vis a vis funding education .

But now that we have cleared that up...and you have come out as a conservative ...would you mind telling us why your ilk doesn't think we should spend money on educating our children?

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 4:38:33 PM

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I have no idea why you assumed he was questioning the mental capacities of conservatives(classinsession) when it is obvious to anyone,of even middling intelligence that Ron was referencing conservative views vis a vis funding education .
But now that we have cleared that up...and you have come out as a conservative ...would you mind telling us why your ilk doesn't think we should spend money on educating our children?

I think this is why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 4:44:45 PM

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I truly fail to see why you seem to be of the opinion that conservatives don't have a high mental capacity.

They produce one mutant and we gotta retract every critcism ever written? I think not.
Did you notice he forgot to mention Mein Kampf when listing the forced syllabus ?

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 8:40:24 PM

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NCLB was going to go away at some point, and Congress just refused to act on it recently. Everyone let it go 'peacefully' as not to shame the BIPARTISAN effort of establishing it in the first place. There is enough blame for everyone here.

No one should get it into their heads that the use of standardized testing ior accountability is going away now that the federal government is allowing waivers. The only thing that is really happening in this scenario is that, all of a sudden, states will not have to have all students performing at "a proficient level" by 2014. States still want accountability so they will still test... and too much money is to be made by the likes of Pearson, Houghton-Mifflin and McGraw Hill. The testing/textbook industry is booming, and now with the common core in math and language arts there are new books to produce and new tests to norm. This is a multi-billion dollar industry.

Voting for Obama in terms of education policy was like voting for Bush-lite. It's the same corporatist educational mantra all over again....even though no substantial research has been produced demonstrating that when we apply business models to education, academic performance improves. Historically, the opposite holds true often. (Oh, and since someone started on the 'liberals always get their way in education' rant, since the 1980s, all major educational reforms have come from conservatives.... and have been supported by the Department of Education which you all hate so.....)

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 10:21:33 PM

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(Oh, and since someone started on the 'liberals always get their way in education' rant, since the 1980s, all major educational reforms have come from conservatives.... and have been supported by the Department of Education which you all hate so.....)

Hey Kat,
Are you in the teaching profession?
Just Curious.... Skip

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 10:38:03 PM

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It's funny..... Edward Kennedy co authored the bill and felt it was one of the most important pieces of legislation he ever fostered through Congress...

This is from a Washington Post article in 2008 by Chester E Finn Junior entitled 5 Myths About No Child Left Behind. It is as valid today as it was then.

"2. No Child Left Behind is egregiously underfunded.

This charge comes mainly from Democrats, including liberal lions such as Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy and California Rep. George Miller, who helped shape the law. It arises from the fact that NCLB, like almost every social program, was authorized at higher funding levels than have ever been -- or are likely to be -- appropriated. Viewed that way, nearly everything born in Washington is "underfunded."

The costs of complying with No Child Left Behind -- setting standards, testing children, publishing the results and intervening in low-performing schools -- are actually relatively modest. Instead of demanding more money for No Child Left Behind, critics should ask why states and local communities get such dismal returns on the half-trillion dollars, or nearly $10,000 per student, that they already spend on primary and secondary education every year."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/28/AR2008032802976.html

It's a good read...

OH and before we get... the "WELL ITS SAYS THIS ABOUT REPUBLICANS..."

I know... I read it.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 10:57:30 PM

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Well... the OP/ED Piece did lead me to an interesting article about an alternative.
An Intriguing Alternative to No Child Left Behind

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/27/2011 10:58:31 PM

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It's funny..... Edward Kennedy co authored the bill and felt it was one of the most important pieces of legislation he ever fostered through Congress...

This is from a Washington Post article in 2008 by Chester E Finn Junior entitled 5 Myths About No Child Left Behind. It is as valid today as it was then.

"2. No Child Left Behind is egregiously underfunded.

This charge comes mainly from Democrats, including liberal lions such as Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy and California Rep. George Miller, who helped shape the law. It arises from the fact that NCLB, like almost every social program, was authorized at higher funding levels than have ever been -- or are likely to be -- appropriated. Viewed that way, nearly everything born in Washington is "underfunded."

The costs of complying with No Child Left Behind -- setting standards, testing children, publishing the results and intervening in low-performing schools -- are actually relatively modest. Instead of demanding more money for No Child Left Behind, critics should ask why states and local communities get such dismal returns on the half-trillion dollars, or nearly $10,000 per student, that they already spend on primary and secondary education every year."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/28/AR2008032802976.html

It's a good read...

OH and before we get... the "WELL ITS SAYS THIS ABOUT REPUBLICANS..."

I know... I read it.

It was a silly post anyway. Every other major piece of education legislation since the 80s was also from the Dems.

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RE: Looks like no child left behind is going down - 9/28/2011 1:44:49 AM

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Well actually, I don't see a problem with teaching creationism as one theory of life on the planet, anymore than I do evolution, for the simple fact that none of us were here to witness the event, we haven't so far recreated it, and therefore, the reality is that pretty much anything could be true. It's a theory, and not a proven one. I've never understood really why anyone would spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out how we came to be, because from a very practical standpoint, does it really matter? What good can come from actually knowing definitively one way or the other? The fact is, we are here now, and I personally think it's far more important where we are going than where we came from.

As to the Department of Education and taking teacher's bargaining rights away, I think the main perspective that justifies discussion on it is that very factually, we spend more on education than any other country in the world, and get far less out of the money we spend. Clearly, if that is the case then a serious analysis of how we are delivering education and who is doing so is in justifiable order.

My son is a conservative, and he understands at even a grade school level proper money management which seems to be elusive for many who describe themselves liberal. That said, he like me, takes a very libertarian view of social issues, and we both agree that people should be left to their own decisions when it comes to who they want to partner with, what religion they choose to believe in if any, etc.

You are painting with a broad brush if you are basing your assessment of all conservatives on the posts of a handful of people who post here. Just as liberals vary in their viewpoints on many aspects of law, culture and life, so do conservatives.

One thing I can most assuredly tell you is that my son's level of intelligence has had far more growth from the input and attention of his parents than he ever gets at school. His greatest assets in early childhood development included learning to read before kindergarten, being taught deductive reasoning by 1st grade, and learning how to research by 2nd grade. This has allowed him to proceed at his own pace, rather than being held back by the performance of the lowest common denominators in his class room. He also knows the fundamentals of accounting, of sound business practices and of intellectual property law, from his daily discussions and activities with me.

Most amusing to me is the fact that his irritation with taking the TAKS test led to his discovery of at least one question on it that had no correct answer. He pointed out himself that the only true statement that would have been a right answer was the single sentence in the paragraph preceding the question/answer that was not included in the answers. That speaks volumes about the "No Child Left Behind" program.

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