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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 10:21:18 AM   
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6 Demands to make on Wall Street

7 Biggest Economic Lies

1.Tax cuts for the rich trickle down to everyone else. Baloney. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush both sliced taxes on the rich and what happened? Most Americans' wages (measured by the real median wage) began flattening under Reagan and has dropped since George W. Bush. Trickle-down economics is a cruel joke.


2.Higher taxes on the rich would hurt the economy and slow job growth. False. From the end of World War II until 1981, the richest Americans faced a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent or above. Under Dwight Eisenhower it was 91 percent. Even after all deductions and credits, the top taxes on the very rich were far higher than they've been since. Yet the economy grew faster during those years than it has since. (Don't believe small businesses would be hurt by a higher marginal tax; fewer than 2 percent of small business owners are in the highest tax bracket.)


3.Shrinking government generates more jobs. Wrong again. It means fewer government workers - everyone from teachers, fire fighters, police officers, and social workers at the state and local levels to safety inspectors and military personnel at the federal. And fewer government contractors, who would employ fewer private-sector workers. According to Moody's economist Mark Zandi (a campaign advisor to John McCain), the $61 billion in spending cuts proposed by the House GOP will cost the economy 700,000 jobs this year and next.


4.Cutting the budget deficit now is more important than boosting the economy. Untrue. With so many Americans out of work, budget cuts now will shrink the economy. They'll increase unemployment and reduce tax revenues. That will worsen the ratio of the debt to the total economy. The first priority must be getting jobs and growth back by boosting the economy. Only then, when jobs and growth are returning vigorously, should we turn to cutting the deficit.


5..Medicare and Medicaid are the major drivers of budget deficits. Wrong. Medicare and Medicaid spending is rising quickly, to be sure. But that's because the nation's health-care costs are rising so fast. One of the best ways of slowing these costs is to use Medicare and Medicaid's bargaining power over drug companies and hospitals to reduce costs, and to move from a fee-for-service system to a fee-for-healthy outcomes system. And since Medicare has far lower administrative costs than private health insurers, we should make Medicare available to everyone.


6.Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Don't believe it. Social Security is solvent for the next 26 years. It could be solvent for the next century if we raised the ceiling on income subject to the Social Security payroll tax. That ceiling is now $106,800.


7. It's unfair that lower-income Americans don't pay income tax. Wrong. There's nothing unfair about it. Lower-income Americans pay out a larger share of their paychecks in payroll taxes, sales taxes, user fees, and tolls than everyone else.
Demagogues through history have known that big lies, repeated often enough, start being believed - unless they're rebutted. These seven economic whoppers are just plain wrong. Make sure you know the truth - and spread it on.

Robert Reich is Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He has written thirteen books, including "The Work of Nations," "Locked in the Cabinet," "Supercapitalism" and his latest book, "AFTERSHOCK: The Next Economy and America's Future." His 'Marketplace' commentaries can be found on publicradio.com and iTunes.




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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 11:05:03 AM   
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Should Obama seize their earnings, and give them to those of us who arent protesting?

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All good capitalists, those wall street protestors.

Fighting the corporate socialists who call themselves 'conservative', or 'republican', or 'teabaggers'.


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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 11:06:33 AM   
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Nope, he should sieze their earnings and give them to those that are NOT trying to destroy America.

That would leave your ilk out of it.

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 12:14:24 PM   
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Thats not how socialism works though...


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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 12:29:13 PM   
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Well, you don't know the first fucking thing about government, and you are even less knowledgeable about such forms as democracy, republic, communism and socialism.

So, given that you are pretty much out of luck for understanding the world around you.

Maybe Rush knows....

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 1:28:06 PM   
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Bank Transfer DayBasic InformationAbouthttp://tinyurl.com/nov-fifthDescriptionTogether we can ensure that these banking institutions will always remember the 5th of November!! If the 99% removes our funds from the major banking institutions to non-profit credit unions on or by 11/05, we will send a clear message to the 1% that conscious consumers won't support companies with unethical business practices.General Information• Research your local credit union options
• Open an account with the one that best suits your needs
• Cancel all automatic withdrawals & deposits
• Transfer your funds to the new account
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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 1:47:41 PM   
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Bank Transfer DayBasic InformationAbouthttp://tinyurl.com/nov-fifthDescriptionTogether we can ensure that these banking institutions will always remember the 5th of November!! If the 99% removes our funds from the major banking institutions to non-profit credit unions on or by 11/05, we will send a clear message to the 1% that conscious consumers won't support companies with unethical business practices.General Information• Research your local credit union options
• Open an account with the one that best suits your needs
• Cancel all automatic withdrawals & deposits
• Transfer your funds to the new account
• Follow your bank's procedures to close your account on or before 11/05MissionRe-invest in our local communities through the transfer of funds from "big banks" to credit unions.[email protected]Websitehttp://tinyurl.com/nov-fifth



And while it wont matter to the deadbeats in OWS, if anyone who works is thinking about it make sure the CU has a credit card and the fees on the combined accounts are competitive. If youre a heavy ATM user check whether they have sufficient ATMs or factor in the fees for using a bank's network.

As someone else pointed out, its a win win situation if you can move and lower your costs, because the big banks dont profit from your deposit account and they will cheerfully wave goodbye. They will remember 11/5 fondly.

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 1:48:36 PM   
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IRAN JOINS IN SUPPORT OF WALL STREET PROTESTS...

CAPITALIZE: 1,200 Occupy Wall Street products for sale on eBAY...


CHICAGOLAND: Union boss to rake in $500,000 yearly pension...



You righties are REALLY Hard at work to fuck with this aren't you?

Better tell Ole
PeePants 2012
To stop sucking up to us like we're so much more important to him than you ALREADY IN THE TANK LOSERS
You're starting to remind me of a shitty rendition of Billy The Mountain






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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 1:50:55 PM   
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And while it wont matter to the deadbeats in OWS, if anyone who works is thinking about it make sure the CU has a credit card and the fees on the combined accounts are competitive. If youre a heavy ATM user check whether they have sufficient ATMs or factor in the fees for using a bank's network.

As someone else pointed out, its a win win situation if you can move and lower your costs, because the big banks dont profit from your deposit account and they will cheerfully wave goodbye. They will remember 11/5 fondly.


Ah, what a galloping slosh of purified ignorant horseshit.

The market will decide, and they have decided to walk the fuck out of these leeches places.

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 1:53:02 PM   
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Ethel was a communist so there is no good rendition.

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/13/2011 2:01:53 PM   
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Ethel was a communist so there is no good rendition.


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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/14/2011 10:42:29 PM   
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Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. *

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.


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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/14/2011 11:11:54 PM   
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Yanno, heartcream, I am wholeheartedly in support of the Occupiers. But it's like they never heard of the Sixties. We old farts learned a LOT during that period; there's no need to reinvent the wheel. They have a huge untapped resource in us, but rather than asking for ideas about how to organize, communicate, and persuade, it seems like they have chosen to keep stumbling around in the dark looking for a candle.

I like that list of grievances; I've seen it several times so far. But surely there is SOMEBODY who can organize the damn thing.
For example:
"They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit."

Now why in the hell is that complaint about medicine stuck between two complaints about the energy corporations? Group that shit together. Group the Foreign policy shit together. I mean, I learned how to make outlines and organize my topics in the freakin' 9th grade.

It needs editing and proofreading.

More importantly, if they are going to call it a "Declaration", they should have patterned it after the D of I. That would make for a much more powerful presentation.




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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/14/2011 11:23:18 PM   
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Yanno Hippiekinkster, its the old farts from the 60s that they are protesting against, and who are sending in the cops to try smash the protest, so it really should come as no surprise that they want nothing to do with them.

That and most of you are so condescending and, to be honest, insulting about it when you offer advice that anything you say just goes in one ear and out the other.

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/15/2011 7:34:15 AM   
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Yanno Hippiekinkster, its the old farts from the 60s that they are protesting against, and who are sending in the cops to try smash the protest, so it really should come as no surprise that they want nothing to do with them.

That and most of you are so condescending and, to be honest, insulting about it when you offer advice that anything you say just goes in one ear and out the other.

Oh ... thank you, Heather.  Well said! 

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/15/2011 8:02:00 AM   
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Nope, he should sieze their earnings and give them to those that are NOT trying to destroy America.

That would leave your ilk out of it.


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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/15/2011 8:32:55 AM   
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Nope, he should sieze their earnings and give them to those that are NOT trying to destroy America.

That would leave your ilk out of it.



Heard some OWSers interviewed the other day.

NPR has had a reporter there everyday/night.

He asked about what it is they wanted to some people.

A guy who worked at Morgan Stanley as an analyst said :paraphrasing: 'everyone knows we need a working economy and a financial system.Just not one run by the people who are running it now.'

Ie,the bankers who fleeced us in '08'.

One of the leaders talked about how this would end.He said he didn`t know.Or when it would end.

He said from the 2nd or 3rd day,he expected to show up and not see the protest anymore.

But everyday,he showed up and it was still there.People just show up.More and more everyday.There were union members showing up this last week.

A retired IRT engineer(63 years old), said he felt up-lifted and energized.

One theme from everyone was,ditch unrealistic expectations and use this event to mobilize and get people involved and grow.And voting.Registering other people and voting was on a lot of lips.

I predict a seemless transition through social media(fuck the corporate MSM)to other organized events over the winter,picking up steam as the weather warms up to next November.

America is going to school republicans on what "long hot summer" really means.lol



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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/15/2011 8:40:49 AM   
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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/15/2011 9:08:12 AM   
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No surprise that NPR is pushing it

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RE: 32 Pictures From Occupy Wall Street Protests - 10/15/2011 9:15:46 AM   
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No surprise that Faux Nuze isn't.

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